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  • Re: Daniel

    Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post
    You don't put forward a strong argument, I have been showing you how everything ties in with multiple overlaps.

    We have this boastful man destroyed at the resurrection (Dan 11/12), destroyed at the second coming (2 Thess 2, Rev 19), destroyed when rulers of this world obey the most high (Dan 7), yet you deny that this all point to the second coming at the end of the world, yet don't put forward your argument.
    What about this resurrection when Jesus died?

    Matthew 27:52-53
    52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

    53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

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    • Re: Daniel

      Originally posted by marty fox View Post
      What about this resurrection when Jesus died?

      Matthew 27:52-53
      52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

      53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
      I'm not sure if those saints received resurrection bodies at that time. But afterwards we are told of the resurrection still to come. The resurrection of 1 Cor 15 occurs later, it's future tense and written after the crucifixion.

      Even the resurrection of Dan 12 occurs at the time the boastful man comes to his end, nothing like that happened at the time Jesus died.

      The resurrection in Rev 20 of the martyrs of the beast is obviously associated with persecution by the beast, the final 42 months before the beast is destroyed at the second coming.

      Whichever angle you look at those events, they are always overlapping events which consistently point to the second coming.
      The persecutions overlap
      The boastful man overlaps
      The resurrections overlap
      The 3.5 year periods overlap

      All ending at the second coming.

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      • Re: Daniel

        Originally posted by marty fox View Post
        Of course I know what people think but that is not what the bible says the bible shows us the difference between the two

        John tells us that antichrist is a demonic spirit which denies that Jesus is the Christ.

        John also tells us that the beast is a demon influencing a nation and itís leaders

        The antichrist purpose is to turn Gods people away from God

        The beast purpose is to destroy. it destroys Babylon the great and then tries to destroy the church.

        The two demonic beings work together but have different tasks just like the beast and the false prophet are different demonic beings but have different tasks. I see the false prophet as the spirit of antichrist
        What does anyone think of this post?

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        • Re: Daniel

          23 ďHe gave me this explanation: ĎThe fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. 24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. 25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.

          This fourth beast is the key that opens up what is taking place. We are told some interesting things about this beast. It has a unique set of fingerprints she is a nation with 10 kings. How many nations have had ten kings ruling over it at one time? It would seem to be an easy thing to identify all the nations who have had ten kings at the same time. When we look at history we can find only one kingdom ruled by 10 kings and that country was the Northern Kingdom of Israel.

          How can the nation of Israel be who is being revealed to us in this prophecy? We need to hear another Prophet and his prophecy of the time of the End. Zechariah 11 takes us to the Time of the End and we are shown two shepherds one the Good Shepherd and the other the Wicked Shepherd, Christ and anti-Christ. But the real focus is on two staves that are linked to End Times Israel. The first staff is called Favor. It was a covenant with the nations that they could never completely destroy apostate Israel. Isaiah 5 shows apostate Israel at this same time and the Lord is removing the hedge of protection He had placed around her. We see that hedge removal in the attacks that have come upon her and the wall she is presently erecting around her.

          The second staff is called Union or Unity. With the breaking of this staff the unity of Israel is shattered and she once more becomes the two king Southern Kingdom and the 10 king northern kingdom. If this was not enough for us we are told that 3 of the 10 will be plucked up leaving seven heads and ten crowns. This is the beast who rides the scarlet beast a beast with seven heads and ten crowns who is different from all the Gentile kingdoms who have ruled the world. On the scarlet beast and the northern kingdom of Israel is mystery Babylon the mother of Harlots. There is only one mother of harlots in Scripture and her daughters names are Ohalah and Ohalobah. I am sorry I don't have access to a concordance or a Bible. Those names are probably misspelled, sorry.

          The little horn, anti-Christ, is seen coming up from among the 10 horns because anti-Christ will kike the Christ be born and raised in the Land of Israel from the northern kingdom and quite probably in the area of the tribe of Dan.

          Also there are two events that must take place if Daniel's 70 Weeks of Years is going to be a true Prophecy and not false. There are two judgments in this book and by not recognizing that you will find yourself up to you keister in beasts. The first judgment has to do with the 70 Weeks of Years. This prophecy has as its focus Daniel's people and city. We know this is the Jewish people and the city of Jerusalem. Everything in this prophecy is about Israel. People still try and slip a Gentile kingdom or other Gentile entity, RCC, where only apostate Israel can rightfully fit. The apostate portion of Israel will be destroyed and the faithful remnant escaping through the valley formed from the splitting of the Mount of Olives at the return of Christ on the mount.

          As in the Day of Noah. The Lord told how these days would be like the day when Noah was taking place. What did the Lord mean in that prophecy? First what was it like in Noah's day? Why did Noah get called to built the Ark? The angels who deserted their rightful places roamed the world doing whatever they wanted. Is this going to take place again? Indeed it is. Those angels have been held in the Abyss/ Bottomless Pit and under the Euphrates River for this time of judgment. When the Abyss is opened and the Destroyer comes up out of the Abyss anti-Christ is shown as king over the fallen angels. They come up looking like demonic locust. These fallen angels are the army that will be used to destroy the apostate portion of Israel and the country of Israel. At this point anti-Christ, the false prophet having been defeated are thrown in the Lake of Fire. Satan is brought down from heaven in unbreakable chains and locked in the Abyss for 1,000 years. During this time the Gentile nations will be called up to Jerusalem especially to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. The priesthood serving in the Millennial Temple will be the faithful Remnant. After the 1,000 years are over Satan is loosed for a short time deceving the Gentile nations and leading them against the Millennial Temple, this is Gog and Magog. They are defeated the Gentile army become food for the birds of the air. Satan is captured and thrown into the Lake of Fire where anti-Christ and the false prophet have been for that 1,000 year period of time.

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          • Re: Daniel

            As in the Day of Noah. The Lord told how these days would be like the day when Noah was taking place. What did the Lord mean in that prophecy? First what was it like in Noah's day? Why did Noah get called to built the Ark? The angels who deserted their rightful places roamed the world doing whatever they wanted. Is this going to take place again? Indeed it is. Those angels have been held in the Abyss/ Bottomless Pit and under the Euphrates River for this time of judgment. When the Abyss is opened and the Destroyer comes up out of the Abyss anti-Christ is shown as king over the fallen angels.
            Do you think that this destroyer has been bound in he abyss since the days of Noah?

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            • Re: Daniel

              Yes I do. I believe they are the Nephilim. According to Scripture Satan appears be a trinity of evil. Made up of Saran the father, Satan the son, anti-christ and the false prophet who is presently at work in the world. Satan the father is in heaven accusing the brethren before God the Father. Satan the son, anti-christ and his demonic army are presently in the Abyss/ Bottomless pit wiaiting for the Abyss to be reopened. The false prophet mimicking the Holy Spirit is at work in the world denying Christ and drawing unbelievers to belief in anti-christ.

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              • Re: Daniel

                Originally posted by breathoflife View Post
                Yes I do. I believe they are the Nephilim. According to Scripture Satan appears be a trinity of evil. Made up of Saran the father, Satan the son, anti-christ and the false prophet who is presently at work in the world. Satan the father is in heaven accusing the brethren before God the Father. Satan the son, anti-christ and his demonic army are presently in the Abyss/ Bottomless pit wiaiting for the Abyss to be reopened. The false prophet mimicking the Holy Spirit is at work in the world denying Christ and drawing unbelievers to belief in anti-christ.
                But the destroyer wasn't in the abyss during the Exodus

                Exodus 12:23
                23 When the Lord goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.

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                • Re: Daniel

                  The trinity vil has been in these positions from the time of Noah. Satan the father in heaven accusing the brethren before God the Father. Anti-christ in the Abyss. The false prophet is at work in the world and it was this portion of evil trinity was the destroyer. Anti-Christ and his demonic locust are released and the rest of the angels locked away under the Euphrates River.these will be realized at the beginning of Daniel’s 70th Week of Years and destroyed seven years later on the Day of the Lord. At this time anti-christ and the false prophet are thrown into Lake of Fire where they spend the Millennium. Satan the father is bound in chains and brought down by an angel. Satan is locked in the Abyss for the Millennial Reign. Satan the father is released and he deceives the Gentile nations into following him against the Millennnial Temple and it’s Lord. He is defeated and taken to the Lake of Fire where anti-Christ and the false prophet have been for the thousand years and he is tossed in. Then the GWTJ takes place. The unredeemed are judged and thrown into the lake of Fire and it is sealed. The works of the redeemed are judged. Heaven and earth pass away and a new heaven and earth descend and new Jerusalem and the Bride of Christ His church.

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                  • Re: Daniel

                    Originally posted by marty fox View Post
                    But the destroyer wasn't in the abyss during the Exodus

                    Exodus 12:23
                    23 When the Lord goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.
                    the way it is worded it actually pictures the Lamb’s Blood standing outside fighting off the angel of death. There are a few books that study the Blood and are really interesting on so many levels.

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                    • Re: Daniel

                      Originally posted by breathoflife View Post
                      the way it is worded it actually pictures the Lambís Blood standing outside fighting off the angel of death. There are a few books that study the Blood and are really interesting on so many levels.
                      The lams blood had no power it wasn't Jesus blood it was just an sign for the destroyer. Both the destroyer in Exodus and in Revelation are the same being and both can't harm those who have a seal of protection from God

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                      • Re: Daniel

                        Originally posted by Trivalee View Post
                        My view according to the Bible is that the future AC will be a man empowered by Satan to do extraordinary things. He is not a spirit, neither is he the so-called Apostate Israel. In 1 John 2:18, Apostle John spoke about antichrists [plural] who are already in the world an Antichrist [single tense] that is yet to come. It is this individual Antichrist that many have in mind when referring to the end time AC.
                        Well said Trivalee, the text is quite clear, and you have explained it well.

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