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    THE LAST DAYS:

    In Acts 2:15, Peter quotes the prophecy of Joel 2:28f about the last days and emphatically says: “This is that” which was spoken by the prophet Joel.

    “This is that” does NOT mean “this is not that!”

    Peter not only affirmed the last days had arrived in the first century, he repeated it in Acts 3. He said that all of the prophets from Samuel forward, “foretold these days” (Acts 3:24).

    Hebrews 9:26 deals a crippling blow to the idea that the last days are yet future. The writer says Jesus, “has appeared once, at the end of the age to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”

    The question is at the end of what age did Jesus appear?
    He surely did not appear at the end of the Christian age.

    Jesus appeared under the Law (Gal 4:4), in the fullness of time. Thus, he appeared in the last days of the age of the Law, the last days of Israel, the last days of the Jewish age.

    Paul insisted he was living in the end of the age (1 Cor 10:11 and Heb 1:1).

    If the Jewish age was to end and the Christian age has no end, what age was about to end? (Heb 1:1; Js 5:3; 1Pet 1:20; Jude 18; 2Pet 3; 1 Jn 2:18)

    What last days were they living in?

    Time statements are consistently used, literally through the Bible, but the language of the “Day of the Lord” is consistently metaphorical throughout the Bible. There is not one example of “The Day of the Lord” language, ie: coming on the clouds, with fire, the Shout, The Trumpet, etc ever being fulfilled literally.

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    Re: THE END OF THE AGE!

    Originally posted by Briefcase View Post
    THE LAST DAYS:

    In Acts 2:15, Peter quotes the prophecy of Joel 2:28f about the last days and emphatically says: “This is that” which was spoken by the prophet Joel.

    “This is that” does NOT mean “this is not that!”

    Peter not only affirmed the last days had arrived in the first century, he repeated it in Acts 3. He said that all of the prophets from Samuel forward, “foretold these days” (Acts 3:24).

    Hebrews 9:26 deals a crippling blow to the idea that the last days are yet future. The writer says Jesus, “has appeared once, at the end of the age to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”

    The question is at the end of what age did Jesus appear?
    He surely did not appear at the end of the Christian age.

    Jesus appeared under the Law (Gal 4:4), in the fullness of time. Thus, he appeared in the last days of the age of the Law, the last days of Israel, the last days of the Jewish age.

    Paul insisted he was living in the end of the age (1 Cor 10:11 and Heb 1:1).

    If the Jewish age was to end and the Christian age has no end, what age was about to end? (Heb 1:1; Js 5:3; 1Pet 1:20; Jude 18; 2Pet 3; 1 Jn 2:18)

    What last days were they living in?

    Time statements are consistently used, literally through the Bible, but the language of the “Day of the Lord” is consistently metaphorical throughout the Bible. There is not one example of “The Day of the Lord” language, ie: coming on the clouds, with fire, the Shout, The Trumpet, etc ever being fulfilled literally.
    Agreed brilliant post it was the end of the temple and sacrificial age. The old testament age was over but the Jews didn't realized it so God had to do away with their temple

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    • #3
      Re: THE END OF THE AGE!

      Originally posted by Briefcase View Post
      THE LAST DAYS:

      In Acts 2:15, Peter quotes the prophecy of Joel 2:28f about the last days and emphatically says: “This is that” which was spoken by the prophet Joel.

      “This is that” does NOT mean “this is not that!”

      Peter not only affirmed the last days had arrived in the first century, he repeated it in Acts 3. He said that all of the prophets from Samuel forward, “foretold these days” (Acts 3:24).

      Hebrews 9:26 deals a crippling blow to the idea that the last days are yet future. The writer says Jesus, “has appeared once, at the end of the age to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”

      The question is at the end of what age did Jesus appear?
      He surely did not appear at the end of the Christian age.

      Jesus appeared under the Law (Gal 4:4), in the fullness of time. Thus, he appeared in the last days of the age of the Law, the last days of Israel, the last days of the Jewish age.

      Paul insisted he was living in the end of the age (1 Cor 10:11 and Heb 1:1).

      If the Jewish age was to end and the Christian age has no end, what age was about to end? (Heb 1:1; Js 5:3; 1Pet 1:20; Jude 18; 2Pet 3; 1 Jn 2:18)

      What last days were they living in?

      Time statements are consistently used, literally through the Bible, but the language of the “Day of the Lord” is consistently metaphorical throughout the Bible. There is not one example of “The Day of the Lord” language, ie: coming on the clouds, with fire, the Shout, The Trumpet, etc ever being fulfilled literally.
      It's a really good question. My view of the "Last Days" relates to the 1st Coming of Messiah, who set the stage for Israel's final tribulations, which is basically the NT era. It is during this era that Israel is punished, to give time for other nations to participate in God's program of world redemption.

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      • #4
        Re: THE END OF THE AGE!

        There's a principle in biblical interpretation called, "Audience Relevance". The Bible can only mean what it originally meant to the people to whom it was originally written. Few Bible readers or biblical teachers respect the original context of inspired scripture. God wrote what he wrote to the people to whom he intended to write. God said what he said to the people to whom he originally spoke. It is up to Bible students to discover what God originally meant to his original audience. Otherwise, you risk making God say what he never intended to say. You risk ripping God's words from the original context. You risk making God say what he never said and never intended to say.

        Every text in the Bible can only mean what it originally meant.

        Jesus plainly states in his Revelation that no one was to "add to" or "take away from" what he originally revealed to John. I believe that principle should be applied to all inspired scripture. Leave God's words where they belong. That is, in the context in which God originally put them!

        The "age" in which those people lived in New Testament times was like no other time in history. God came down during that generation and became flesh. The things in the New Testament were said to that generation in which God came down. Peter stated to that generation that all things written before their time was prophesied to be fulfilled in THEIR time. That is, Peter's time. See 1 Peter 1:10-22.

        That generation into which Jesus, Peter, and Paul were born was a generation God would transition from one age to the new age in which you and I live today. The biblical "age" in which that generation lived was the Age and Administration of Moses. They transitioned to the endless Age of Christ.

        You and I live in a time that Jesus called, "the age that is to come." Before HIS generation ended that transition was completed. There is no "end of the age" in our future. That "end" came in THEIR time.

        If you believe Jesus is established as Lord and King then you believe Christ's Kingdom has fully come and that the "end of the age" is passed!

        Jesus, Peter, and Paul lived in a time the Bible called, the "fulness of time" (Galatians 4:4). All time BEFORE their generation looked forward to their time. All time now, following their generation, looks back at their time. That's why your calendar begins from the time of the birth of Christ. There was no time like it ever before and there never will ever be a time like it again.

        The "end of the age" was the end of the Judaic economy. That ended at the desolation of the former holy people, their former holy city, and their former holy temple. You now, as believers and followers of Christ, are the holy people, living in the holy city (spiritual Jerusalem) and your body is the temple where God's presence now dwells continually. You live daily in the original and true Holy of Holies that is the corporate Body of Christ. God is ALL-IN-ALL!

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        • #5
          Re: THE END OF THE AGE!

          Appreciate the comments Marty, Randy, and Theophileous. Good stuff!

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          • #6
            Re: THE END OF THE AGE!

            Originally posted by Briefcase View Post
            THE LAST DAYS:

            In Acts 2:15, Peter quotes the prophecy of Joel 2:28f about the last days and emphatically says: “This is that” which was spoken by the prophet Joel.

            “This is that” does NOT mean “this is not that!”

            Peter not only affirmed the last days had arrived in the first century, he repeated it in Acts 3. He said that all of the prophets from Samuel forward, “foretold these days” (Acts 3:24).

            Hebrews 9:26 deals a crippling blow to the idea that the last days are yet future. The writer says Jesus, “has appeared once, at the end of the age to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”

            The question is at the end of what age did Jesus appear?
            He surely did not appear at the end of the Christian age.

            Jesus appeared under the Law (Gal 4:4), in the fullness of time. Thus, he appeared in the last days of the age of the Law, the last days of Israel, the last days of the Jewish age.

            Paul insisted he was living in the end of the age (1 Cor 10:11 and Heb 1:1).

            If the Jewish age was to end and the Christian age has no end, what age was about to end? (Heb 1:1; Js 5:3; 1Pet 1:20; Jude 18; 2Pet 3; 1 Jn 2:18)

            What last days were they living in?

            Time statements are consistently used, literally through the Bible, but the language of the “Day of the Lord” is consistently metaphorical throughout the Bible. There is not one example of “The Day of the Lord” language, ie: coming on the clouds, with fire, the Shout, The Trumpet, etc ever being fulfilled literally.
            Wonderful to see. It's nice to know the word is not completely smothered.

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            • #7
              Re: THE END OF THE AGE!

              Originally posted by Theophileous View Post
              There's a principle in biblical interpretation called, "Audience Relevance". The Bible can only mean what it originally meant to the people to whom it was originally written. Few Bible readers or biblical teachers respect the original context of inspired scripture. God wrote what he wrote to the people to whom he intended to write. God said what he said to the people to whom he originally spoke. It is up to Bible students to discover what God originally meant to his original audience. Otherwise, you risk making God say what he never intended to say. You risk ripping God's words from the original context. You risk making God say what he never said and never intended to say.

              Every text in the Bible can only mean what it originally meant.

              Jesus plainly states in his Revelation that no one was to "add to" or "take away from" what he originally revealed to John. I believe that principle should be applied to all inspired scripture. Leave God's words where they belong. That is, in the context in which God originally put them!

              The "age" in which those people lived in New Testament times was like no other time in history. God came down during that generation and became flesh. The things in the New Testament were said to that generation in which God came down. Peter stated to that generation that all things written before their time was prophesied to be fulfilled in THEIR time. That is, Peter's time. See 1 Peter 1:10-22.

              That generation into which Jesus, Peter, and Paul were born was a generation God would transition from one age to the new age in which you and I live today. The biblical "age" in which that generation lived was the Age and Administration of Moses. They transitioned to the endless Age of Christ.

              You and I live in a time that Jesus called, "the age that is to come." Before HIS generation ended that transition was completed. There is no "end of the age" in our future. That "end" came in THEIR time.

              If you believe Jesus is established as Lord and King then you believe Christ's Kingdom has fully come and that the "end of the age" is passed!

              Jesus, Peter, and Paul lived in a time the Bible called, the "fulness of time" (Galatians 4:4). All time BEFORE their generation looked forward to their time. All time now, following their generation, looks back at their time. That's why your calendar begins from the time of the birth of Christ. There was no time like it ever before and there never will ever be a time like it again.

              The "end of the age" was the end of the Judaic economy. That ended at the desolation of the former holy people, their former holy city, and their former holy temple. You now, as believers and followers of Christ, are the holy people, living in the holy city (spiritual Jerusalem) and your body is the temple where God's presence now dwells continually. You live daily in the original and true Holy of Holies that is the corporate Body of Christ. God is ALL-IN-ALL!
              Brilliant post very well laid out thanks

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              • #8
                Re: THE END OF THE AGE!

                Agreed, well written and logically presented.

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                • #9
                  Re: THE END OF THE AGE!

                  Originally posted by Briefcase View Post
                  THE LAST DAYS:

                  In Acts 2:15, Peter quotes the prophecy of Joel 2:28f about the last days and emphatically says: “This is that” which was spoken by the prophet Joel.

                  “This is that” does NOT mean “this is not that!”

                  Peter not only affirmed the last days had arrived in the first century, he repeated it in Acts 3. He said that all of the prophets from Samuel forward, “foretold these days” (Acts 3:24).

                  Hebrews 9:26 deals a crippling blow to the idea that the last days are yet future. The writer says Jesus, “has appeared once, at the end of the age to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”

                  The question is at the end of what age did Jesus appear?
                  He surely did not appear at the end of the Christian age.

                  Jesus appeared under the Law (Gal 4:4), in the fullness of time. Thus, he appeared in the last days of the age of the Law, the last days of Israel, the last days of the Jewish age.

                  Paul insisted he was living in the end of the age (1 Cor 10:11 and Heb 1:1).

                  If the Jewish age was to end and the Christian age has no end, what age was about to end? (Heb 1:1; Js 5:3; 1Pet 1:20; Jude 18; 2Pet 3; 1 Jn 2:18)

                  What last days were they living in?

                  Time statements are consistently used, literally through the Bible, but the language of the “Day of the Lord” is consistently metaphorical throughout the Bible. There is not one example of “The Day of the Lord” language, ie: coming on the clouds, with fire, the Shout, The Trumpet, etc ever being fulfilled literally.
                  There might be a very simple answer to this. It lies in 2 Peter 1:20; "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

                  Neither you, nor me, may interpret what we think is a "day". We have to turn to scripture to answer this. We already have this problem in the very first Chapter of the Bible. In Genesis 1:5 we read;

                  "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

                  Now, is the "day" the period of "light" - about twelve hours and divided in four watches, or is it evening and morning - a 24 hour period from sunset to sunset? The answer is BOTH! Or did Jehovah Elohim make a mistake? No. We must set the interpretation of scripture on scripture's usage, not on our distorted human intellects. So, with that rule, let us examine EVERY day in the Bible and see what we come up with. And a study of the word "day" will show that scripture uses it in FIVE different ways.
                  1. The period of daylight - sunrise to sunset (e.g. Gen.1:5)
                  2. 24 hours - the evening and the morning (e.g. Gen.1:8)
                  3. An event like the "Day of the Lord" (e.g. 2nd Pet.3:10)
                  4. 1 year - mostly used in prophecy (e.g. Nu.14:34; Ezek.4:6; Dan.9:24-26)
                  5. 1,000 years is as a DAY to God (Ps.90:4; 2nd Pet.3:8)

                  And the theme and context must tell us which one to use.
                  In Genesis 1:5 we must use 12 hours for the "DAY-light", but 24 hours for the "first day" of God's recovery of the earth from being dark and covered with water. But Adam's time of life is different. God said that IN (or WITHIN) the day you eat of that certain Tree, you will die. And Adam died at 930 years. So it is clear that the first Sabbath is not defined by any of the other four meanings of a day. It is defined by the FIFTH meaning - 1,000 years.

                  So also is Hosea 6:2 to be understood by context. The context is the time of Israel's chastisement. Hosea prophesied to Jereboam, king of the ten northern Tribes who divided Israel's WORSHIP and removed it from Jerusalem. Now, the final act of the ten northern Tribes was to be deported to Assyria and never recovered till this day. The two southern Tribes were carried off to Babylon over a century later. But a small remnant (about 2.5% of them) returned. Then, about 500 years later, Judah was dispersed by the Romans and remain so today. So the TWO DAYS of chastisement of Hosea 6:2 does not fit any of the five. Nor has there been the third day in which Israel will be recovered. But there is one calculation that fits. If the starting point of the chastisement of Judah is 70 AD, or even the day Israel claimed Caesar as their king, then teh two "DAYS" of Israel's chastisement must be the Church age of 2,000 years. The third day must be the Millennium.

                  There are various other proofs for this, but I will not address them here. It is not the theme of the thread and it takes quite some explaining. Suffice to say that a "DAY" being a thousand years is not used often, but is nevertheless common to scripture. If so, then understanding a verse like 1st Corinthians 10:11 is relatively easy. It reads;

                  "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the AGE are come."

                  The new student of scripture will at first understand this verse as meaning that Paul and the Church at Corinth stood at the end of the age, and the dilemma presented in your posting is valid. But of the word "OUR" means those to whom the letter is addressed, the picture changes dramatically. 1 Corinthians 1:2 tells who the recipients of this letter are.

                  "(1) Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to (2) them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, (to them) (3) called to be saints, with (4) ALL that in EVERY place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours."

                  It is EVERY Christian who will ever live. And then suddenly there is no dilemma. The age could have ended with the Corinthian Christians. It could have ended with them who are sanctified IN Jesus Christ (meaning every Christian who ever lived). It could also end with those called to be saints, which includes you and I right now - some 2,000 years later. So if we are true to interpret scripture with scripture and keep our dulled minds in check, we can really get to the bottom of many things in scripture, which at first seem impossible.

                  So here is your homework. Is the "Day of the Lord" 12 hours, 24 hours, an undetermined period, or will the Millennium be the Lord's "DAY" - a thousand years? What are your scriptures for your answer?

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                    Re: THE END OF THE AGE!

                    Very clear and I thank God the word is not smothered.
                    I think some of the problem might be from the completion of prophecy not looking like most imagine it would, or be what most hope they would see. Rather than challenge one's own view, and the interpretation of parents and grandparents, the language is slightly altered to fit the ending yearned for.
                    I know from first hand experience that when a conclusion is settled on it take a lot to change it.
                    It's called true believer syndrome. When someone is confronted with information contrary or contradictory to one beliefs, it creates stress, and any situation that creates stress is avoided or attacked.

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                    • #11
                      Re: THE END OF THE AGE!

                      Originally posted by Bryan Pergola View Post
                      Very clear and I thank God the word is not smothered.
                      I think some of the problem might be from the completion of prophecy not looking like most imagine it would, or be what most hope they would see. Rather than challenge one's own view, and the interpretation of parents and grandparents, the language is slightly altered to fit the ending yearned for.
                      I know from first hand experience that when a conclusion is settled on it take a lot to change it.
                      It's called true believer syndrome. When someone is confronted with information contrary or contradictory to one beliefs, it creates stress, and any situation that creates stress is avoided or attacked.
                      Israel has the first advent wrong and now today many Christians have the second advent wrong

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                      • #12
                        Re: THE END OF THE AGE!

                        I think you and I might have a different view on the death of Adam in Genesis. Adam died spiritually on the day he ate of the forbidden fruit, he was separated from the presence of God. He definitely didn't die physically. As you said, he physically lived another 900+ years.

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                        • #13
                          Re: THE END OF THE AGE!

                          Originally posted by Briefcase View Post

                          Time statements are consistently used, literally through the Bible, but the language of the “Day of the Lord” is consistently metaphorical throughout the Bible. There is not one example of “The Day of the Lord” language, ie: coming on the clouds, with fire, the Shout, The Trumpet, etc ever being fulfilled literally.
                          The 'Day of the Lord's fiery wrath' is not metaphorical, it is literal; Isaiah 9:14, Isaiah 29:5-8, Zechariah 3:9, Revelation 18:8, +
                          When it is understood what it is that the Lord will send on that Day, the one day will suffice to literally fulfil all the graphic prophesies about it.

                          The obvious reason that these prophesies were not literally fulfilled in ancient times, is they await the end times and will happen before Jesus Returns, exactly as Revelation tell us.

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                          • #14
                            Re: THE END OF THE AGE!

                            Originally posted by Bryan Pergola View Post
                            Very clear and I thank God the word is not smothered.
                            I think some of the problem might be from the completion of prophecy not looking like most imagine it would, or be what most hope they would see. Rather than challenge one's own view, and the interpretation of parents and grandparents, the language is slightly altered to fit the ending yearned for.
                            I know from first hand experience that when a conclusion is settled on it take a lot to change it.
                            It's called true believer syndrome. When someone is confronted with information contrary or contradictory to one beliefs, it creates stress, and any situation that creates stress is avoided or attacked.
                            This is probably the best posting I have ever seen on this Forum in my 8 years here.

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                            • #15
                              Re: THE END OF THE AGE!

                              Originally posted by marty fox View Post
                              Israel has the first advent wrong and now today many Christians have the second advent wrong
                              Good point. But Israel missed it because they voluntarily disregarded over 330 prophecies fulfilled before their eyes. We Christians on the other hand "know not the hour". It has especially kept secret so that we live as if it will happen in the next hour.

                              Matthew 24:42; "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

                              Matthew 25:13; "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh."

                              Luke 12:39; "And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through."

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