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    There are only four verses in the entire bible that uses the word antichrist

    1 John 2:18
    18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

    1 John 2:22
    22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichristódenying the Father and the Son.

    1 John 4:3
    3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

    2 John 1:7
    I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

    Many Christians believe that the antichrist will be the future evil world ruler of the book of Revelation who will rule the world during the end times but is that what the bible actually teaches?

    It is interesting that John the disciple who wrote the four verses mentioning the word antichrist was the same John who wrote the book of Revelation. It is also interesting that John didnít use the word antichrist at all in the book of Revelation. Why would this be? Could it be that the antichrist John wrote about in his epistles is different from one most Christians believe to be the antichrist in the book of Revelation?

    John used the word beast to describe the evil persecuting world leader in the book of Revelation but its description and character is much different from the description and character of the antichrist. The beast is described as a ten horned seven headed creature who rules the world and persecutes the saints which is much different than the antichrist.

    Letís look at how John describes the antichrist.

    1 John 2:18-27
    18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

    20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.[e] 21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichristódenying the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

    24 As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised usóeternal life.
    26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeitójust as it has taught you, remain in him.

    John is showing us that the antichrist isnít just one person but many people. John is also stating that the antichrist was present before, after and during his day. John also states that the antichrist is leading people astray and that it is the opposite of truth and John tells us in the verse below that Jesus is truth

    John 14:6
    6 Jesus answered, ďI am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

    This antichrist who John says is a liar is antichrist because it is the opposite of truth which is Jesus who is the Christ.
    Letís look at what else John says is the antichrist.

    1 John 4:1-6
    1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

    4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood

    Again John tells us that the antichrist is not just one but many. John tells us again that the antichrist was present in his day John also tells us that the antichrist is not just people but it is actually a spirit.

    Letís take a look at the last time that John mentions the word antichrist.

    2 John 1:4-11
    4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us. 5 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. 6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.

    7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist 8 Watch out that you do not lose what we[a] have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.

    John tells us once again that the antichrist isnít just one but many. John then goes on to say that this antichrist is the deceiving spirit who denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh meaning that the Man Jesus is the Christ the anointed one the Messiah the son of God.

    When we read all four verses that uses the word antichrist it seems that he was meaning apostate Israel in his day. Apostate Israel was active when John wrote these words and they denied that Jesus was the Christ by denying Jesus they also denied the Father. Antichrist is not complete in apostate Israel but they do fit the description John gave in his day.

    The antichrist is much different from the sea beast of the book of Revelation. The sea beast purpose is to rule the earth to be worshipped as god, destroy Babylon the great and to try to wipeout the church. The antichrist purpose to deceive and to divert people away from the Messiah Jesus the Christ. The antichrist is more like the land beast from the book of Revelation also known as the false prophet.

    In conclusion John teaches in the bible that the antichrist is not a future evil world leader but a deceiving spirit within many people who was present in Johnís day and whose purpose was to divert people away from the true Messiah Jesus the Christ.

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    Re: Who and what is the antichrist?

    There is no doubt that Daniel and Revelation have many parallel prophesies, that can also be seen; giving more details, in the other Bible books.

    Regarding a One World Government: This concept has been around for a long time and many overt and covert movements have promoted it. That such a political entity will happen, led by a charismatic man known to us as the Anti-Christ, is quite clearly prophesied in Daniel 7:23-24 and described in Daniel 11:21-45, paralleled in Revelation 17:12-13 and described in Revelation 13:1-18.

    Denial that there will be a person known as the Anti-Christ in the end times, contradicts many specific scriptures that describe his actions, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, for example.

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    • #3
      Re: Who and what is the antichrist?

      Originally posted by marty fox View Post
      In conclusion John teaches in the bible that the antichrist is not a future evil world leader but a deceiving spirit within many people who was present in Johnís day and whose purpose was to divert people away from the true Messiah Jesus the Christ.
      I agree it is a spirit.
      But that spirit will be given permission to inhabit a number of breathing/souls (men).
      ie: inhabit many men in the past, and inhabit a few more men in our 'climatic' future.
      Don't seek too much knowledge. You just may be putting more weight on your shoulders than you're able to bare.
      Let God be the one to decide how quickly you grow

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      • #4
        Re: Who and what is the antichrist?

        Originally posted by Jacob's Ladder View Post
        I agree it is a spirit.
        But that spirit will be given permission to inhabit a number of breathing/souls (men).
        ie: inhabit many men in the past, and inhabit a few more men in our 'climatic' future.
        Of course it is still happening today as many don't see Jesus as the Messiah

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        • #5
          Re: Who and what is the antichrist?

          Antichrist is a term commonly used in the modern church to refer to the man of sin in 2 Thess 2.

          In 1 John 2 we are told a future antichrist is coming, and others have already come :
          " as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come"

          It's the future antichrist mentioned there, that we refer to when we mention the future antichrist.

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          • #6
            Re: Who and what is the antichrist?

            Originally posted by Keraz View Post
            There is no doubt that Daniel and Revelation have many parallel prophesies, that can also be seen; giving more details, in the other Bible books.

            Regarding a One World Government: This concept has been around for a long time and many overt and covert movements have promoted it. That such a political entity will happen, led by a charismatic man known to us as the Anti-Christ, is quite clearly prophesied in Daniel 7:23-24 and described in Daniel 11:21-45, paralleled in Revelation 17:12-13 and described in Revelation 13:1-18.

            Denial that there will be a person known as the Anti-Christ in the end times, contradicts many specific scriptures that describe his actions, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, for example.
            My point is that as John says the description that you are giving is not the antichrist but the beast. What your are saying is not the antichrist task its more of the false prophet he even used the same title false prophet in 1 John 4 and Revelation

            John used different titles and purposes of the antichrist and the beast for a reason

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            • #7
              Re: Who and what is the antichrist?

              Originally posted by marty fox View Post
              Of course it is still happening today as many don't see Jesus as the Messiah
              True, but there is a huge difference between a spirit (in this case the spirit of anti-christ) influencing/coming-upon men -vs- inhabiting/possessing a man.

              What I mean is: The future man-of-sin/anti-christ will be inhabited -vs- influenced

              Wouldn't you agree ?


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              Last edited by Jacob's Ladder; Oct 28th 2019, 08:47 PM. Reason: clarification
              Don't seek too much knowledge. You just may be putting more weight on your shoulders than you're able to bare.
              Let God be the one to decide how quickly you grow

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              • #8
                Re: Who and what is the antichrist?

                Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post
                Antichrist is a term commonly used in the modern church to refer to the man of sin in 2 Thess 2.

                In 1 John 2 we are told a future antichrist is coming, and others have already come :
                " as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come"

                It's the future antichrist mentioned there, that we refer to when we mention the future antichrist.
                That's my point the church calls the one in 2 thess 2 the antichrist but the bible doesn't the biblical descriptions and purposes of the two are completely different.


                What John teaches us about the antichrist is nothing like what he teaches about the beast and this same John wrote his epistles and the book of revelation. You guys can disagree with me but you can't deny what John wrote.

                The antichrist is one evil spirit or demon much like the land beast also known as the false prophet and the sea beast is a different spirit or demon who are given completely different task by satan.

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                • #9
                  Re: Who and what is the antichrist?

                  Originally posted by Jacob's Ladder View Post
                  True, but there is a huge difference between a spirit (in this case the spirit of anti-christ) influencing/coming-upon a man -vs- inhabiting/possessing a man.

                  What I mean is: The future man-of-sin/anti-christ will be inhabited -vs- influenced

                  Wouldn't you agree ?
                  First I don't see him as future but that has nothing to do with this post I purposely left my view of that out so we can focus on the descriptions

                  There isn't much of a difference influencing or possessing is much different than tempting

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                  • #10
                    Re: Who and what is the antichrist?

                    Originally posted by marty fox View Post
                    That's my point the church calls the one in 2 thess 2 the antichrist but the bible doesn't the biblical descriptions and purposes of the two are completely different.


                    What John teaches us about the antichrist is nothing like what he teaches about the beast and this same John wrote his epistles and the book of revelation. You guys can disagree with me but you can't deny what John wrote.

                    The antichrist is one evil spirit or demon much like the land beast also known as the false prophet and the sea beast is a different spirit or demon who are given completely different task by satan.
                    I hear what you are saying, certainly something to ponder on. But if so, when that spirit comes back it will be the influence over the man of sin.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Who and what is the antichrist?

                      Originally posted by marty fox View Post
                      First I don't see him as future but that has nothing to do with this post I purposely left my view of that out so we can focus on the descriptions
                      Well, I read all that you presented in your OP's description, but I read it in the context of your thread's title "Who and what is the antichrist?"
                      And is why I felt the need to present or introduce a distinction between a spirit influencing men -vs- inhabiting a man.







                      Originally posted by marty fox View Post
                      There isn't much of a difference influencing or possessing is much different than tempting
                      There is a huge difference between the two.
                      So, maybe that is why you try to dismiss what I have tried to share here then ?



                      Peace
                      Don't seek too much knowledge. You just may be putting more weight on your shoulders than you're able to bare.
                      Let God be the one to decide how quickly you grow

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                      • #12
                        Re: Who and what is the antichrist?

                        Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post
                        I hear what you are saying, certainly something to ponder on. But if so, when that spirit comes back it will be the influence over the man of sin.
                        No it won't because the man of sin has the same purpose and spirit of the beast not the antichrist spirit.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Who and what is the antichrist?

                          Originally posted by marty fox View Post
                          No it won't because the man of sin has the same purpose and spirit of the beast not the antichrist spirit.
                          And why do you separate the two spirits? Could they be two descriptions of the same evil spirit?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Who and what is the antichrist?

                            Originally posted by Jacob's Ladder View Post
                            Well, I read all that you presented in your OP's description, but I read it in the context of your thread's title "Who and what is the antichrist?"
                            And is why I felt the need to present or introduce a distinction between a spirit influencing men -vs- inhabiting a man.








                            There is a huge difference between the two.
                            So, maybe that is why you try to dismiss what I have tried to share here then ?



                            Peace
                            Sorry but maybe I'm not understanding what you are trying to convey.

                            The man of sin is not the biblical description of the antichrist its the description of the beast


                            The antichrist description is more like the false prophet who unlike the true prophets diverts people from the truth to the lie

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                            • #15
                              Re: Who and what is the antichrist?

                              Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post
                              And why do you separate the two spirits? Could they be two descriptions of the same evil spirit?
                              I don't separate them John did I'm just conveying what John taught. John taught that they are different and have different purposes one diverts people from God to the other

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