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    To get to the answer of this question we need to go to the only true source the bible and see when and why did God judge the world before. The only time this happened was back in Genesis chapters 4, 5 and 6. There is much to learn about the end times in these three chapters more than most people think. The main part of the text is found in

    Genesis chapter 6:1-8
    when human beings began to increase in number onthe earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that thedaughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for theyare mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

    4 The Nephilim were on the earth in thosedays—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humansand had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

    5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of thehuman race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughtsof the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he hadmade human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So theLord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I havecreated—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move alongthe ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in theeyes of the Lord.

    Many people believe that the sons of God were fallen angels who fornicated and had children with female human beings thus making the world so evil that God decided to destroy civilization. Could this be? Could spiritual beings actually fornicate with human beings and have offspring even though Paul shows us in 1 Corinthians 15 that the heavenly bodies have a different splendor than human bodies? Would God really allow this to happen?

    I believe that the sons of God were the faithful sons from the line of Seth and that the daughters of men were the unfaithful daughtersfrom the unfaithful line of Cain.

    In these three chapters of Genesis we see that the descendants of Seth were faithful to God while the descendants of Cain were unfaithful. What we read about the descendants of Cain is the great accomplishments they made which is not bad in its self but it is if it’s their highest priority. When we read about Seth's descendants we see that they were great men of God who had many children and lived long lives but this was not attributed to Cain’s descendants.

    God warns the faithful people many times to not mix with the unfaithful in the Old Testament and the reason for this is to keep the faithful from being corrupted. We read that one of the reasons that the sons of God were attracted to the daughters of men was because of their beauty not because of love so the reason that they fornicated with them was for lust not love.

    But there must be more to the reason that the sons of God were attracted to the daughters of men because there would also have been many beautiful women from the line of Seth.

    Lamech gives us this reason in Genesis chapter 5

    Genesis 5:28-29
    When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son. He named him Noah and said, “He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the Lord has cursed.”

    The faithful people of God-began to lose faith and complain about the pain and burden of working a cursed soil. Lamech named his son Noah which means rest as he thought that Noah would bring his people comfort and rest.
    What the daughters of menoffered the sons of God was Autonomy

    Autonomy
    The right or conditionof self-government.

    A-self-governing country or region.

    Freedom from external control or influence;independence.

    The daughters of men offered the sons of God the autonomy they desired. The sons of God saw the great accomplishments and advances of the sons of men. The sons of men lived a self-governed and independent life aside from God. This enticed the sons of God so they intermarried with the daughters of men and put aside the ways of the Lord and lived their own self determined lives.

    We see the first example of autonomy in the Garden of Eden with Eve. Eve decided that she wanted more than the life God had determined for her she also wanted to be just like God. Satan knew this and tempted Eve and told her that she could have this if she ate the forbidden fruit.

    How much different are we the church today? While the world is full of people living their own independent autonomous lives away from God, God’s predetermined choices for them have become negatives like race, gender, sexual orientation, child bearing and child raising. What God determined for them becomes non spiritual and non-important but is the church much different today?

    We the church need to remember that our children and our families are watching us. We need to be good stewards with what God has given us including our children and make the right life choices. We only have a few short impactful years with our children and the lack of good Godly examples as well as being influenced by worldly views are reasons that the church youth today are leaving the church in high numbers when they graduate from school. The autonomy of the world is becoming very attractive to them and the conforming is so slow and so subtle that we conform before we realize it and it is a struggle and sometimes too late to turn back.

    The seed of the serpent is independence from God which is attractive to the world and the seed of God in constant dependence on him. One way God keeps us dependent on Him is through our bodies as our bodies need clothes, food and shelter to survive this keeps us dependent on God which keeps us spiritually close to Him thus our bodies and our souls work together.

    Back in Genesis over time while dwelling with the unfaithful the faithful conformed to the ways of man until the faithful came down to just one man Noah. The ways of the Lord was lost as the people lived for themselves and not for the Lord thus the whole world except Noah became wicked and filled with violence. The reason that God decided to destroy the human race with the flood was not because the world was so evil it always has been evil and still is today the reason was due to the conforming ways to the self-determined Lives of the faithful and it came down to just one man Noah.

    The world today looks very much like it did back before the flood and the boat has left the shore and it’s not turning back just like it didn’t in Noah’s day. God will still reach people as He still extends His grace and mercy just like He did with Noah’s family.

    God protected the line of the faithful throughout the bible and still continues to do so today and Jesus promised that the gates of hell will not overcome the church. God will step in and save the church before it’s overcome. I believe that Genesis chapters 4, 5 and 6 serves as warning for the church and the church today needs to depend more on God and stop conforming and live the life that God has determined for us. This very same reason for the flood will be the very same reason that God will destroy the world in the future by fire.

    The faithful are once again slowly conforming to the ways of the world and I believe when the church stops growing we hold back the Holy Spirit and we release satan from his thousand year binding. When this happens we the church, the camp of God’s people, the city God loves find ourselves out numbered and surrounded by the autonomous people of the world and then God will act.

    Revelation 20:7-9
    When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

    Romans 12:1-2
    Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God this is your true and proper worship. Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is his good, pleasing and perfect will.
    Last edited by marty fox; Nov 6th 2019, 04:01 AM.

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    Re: When and why will God end our world? .........

    Why did God cleanse the world the only time before?

    Not because it was so evil the world has always been evil even one year of abortions alone would anger God enough if that was the reason for him to do it.

    God cleansed it because His faithful people stopped being faithful all of them except for Noah and there would be no faithful people left after Noah

    The Holy Spirit works in Gods people and when Gods people stop moving the church stops growing and when the church stops growing it will wither away when the faithful people pass on

    Jesus promised that the church will never die so God will act before it does but when the church starts to really conform that’s when it will happen. So we need keep pushing on and save all that we can and that starts in our homes our children and grandchildren souls are stake so we need to be so careful of conforming.

    It happens so subtlety that we hardly notice it I’m sure that we have all done it to some point I know I have and in this day and age with tv and the internet it’s easier than ever

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      Re: When and why will God end our world? .........

      I agree with the sentiment expressed here, except that I don't see the Millennium as taking place in the present age. I don't see Satan as bound now, and released at the end of this age. But otherwise, I think the preaching is pretty good!

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        Re: When and why will God end our world? .........

        Originally posted by randyk View Post
        I agree with the sentiment expressed here, except that I don't see the Millennium as taking place in the present age. I don't see Satan as bound now, and released at the end of this age. But otherwise, I think the preaching is pretty good!
        Thanks but I think that the power of the gospel within the church binds Satan but if the church stops working then the power recedes

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          Re: When and why will God end our world? .........

          Originally posted by marty fox View Post
          Why did God cleanse the world the only time before?

          Not because it was so evil the world has always been evil even one year of abortions alone would anger God enough if that was the reason for him to do it.

          God cleansed it because His faithful people stopped being faithful all of them except for Noah and there would be no faithful people left after Noah

          The Holy Spirit works in Gods people and when Gods people stop moving the church stops growing and when the church stops growing it will wither away when the faithful people pass on

          Jesus promised that the church will never die so God will act before it does but when the church starts to really conform that’s when it will happen. So we need keep pushing on and save all that we can and that starts in our homes our children and grandchildren souls are stake so we need to be so careful of conforming.

          It happens so subtlety that we hardly notice it I’m sure that we have all done it to some point I know I have and in this day and age with tv and the internet it’s easier than ever
          Despite the mess you've made on the forum today trying to express this …..I agree with you , and commend you for your persistence

          The love of the righteous body will grow cold , just like it did in Noahs day.


          Matt 24
          9 “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. 12 Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.

          We do need to be careful and remain awake and alert as you say.....easier said than done so we really need to pray that we do not slip away.

          God bless Marty.
          And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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            Re: When and why will God end our world? .........

            Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post
            Despite the mess you've made on the forum today trying to express this …..I agree with you , and commend you for your persistence

            The love of the righteous body will grow cold , just like it did in Noahs day.


            Matt 24
            9 “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. 12 Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.

            We do need to be careful and remain awake and alert as you say.....easier said than done so we really need to pray that we do not slip away.

            God bless Marty.
            Thanks Weeder it is much easier said than done reading the screw tape letters can really help us learn how satan thinks

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              Re: When and why will God end our world? .........

              I have had a lot of problems trying to post this thread today more that I ever have had and this one still has issues it’s like something is trying to prevent It

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                Re: When and why will God end our world? .........

                Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post
                Despite the mess you've made on the forum today trying to express this …..I agree with you , and commend you for your persistence


                The love of the righteous body will grow cold , just like it did in Noahs day.




                Matt 24
                9 “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. 12 Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.


                We do need to be careful and remain awake and alert as you say.....easier said than done so we really need to pray that we do not slip away.


                God bless Marty.
                Prayer is not enough !
                If we think prayer is enough protection, then we may be already deceived.

                Although I agree that scripture does say to pray that we ourselves not be deceived.

                Even our earliest church planters would write encouraging letter to those churches expressing interceding prayers for them to not be deceived.

                But, prayer is just one of many steps that we need to take to not be deceived.
                The short few verses in Ephesians 6:10-18 shows me all of the steps we need to do daily to not be deceived, not only one step.

                ...just something to think about.
                Don't seek too much knowledge. You just may be putting more weight on your shoulders than you're able to bare.
                Let God be the one to decide how quickly you grow

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                  Re: When and why will God end our world? .........

                  Originally posted by marty fox View Post
                  Thanks but I think that the power of the gospel within the church binds Satan but if the church stops working then the power recedes
                  God's word obviously has power over Satan. Satan cannot prevent God's word from operating through us to accomplish what God wishes to accomplish in this age. We're agreed on that.

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                    Re: When and why will God end our world? .........

                    Originally posted by marty fox View Post
                    Thanks but I think that the power of the gospel within the church binds Satan but if the church stops working then the power recedes
                    I agree with you about the "sons of God" being the descendants of Seth. Anything else would suggest God has lost His power over the spirit world. Spirits mating with women--ludicrous.

                    Do you not think Satan will be further bound in the bottomless pit as stated in Rev. 20?
                    John 15:17 "These things I command you, that ye love one another."

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                      Re: When and why will God end our world? .........

                      Originally posted by Deade View Post
                      I agree with you about the "sons of God" being the descendants of Seth. Anything else would suggest God has lost His power over the spirit world. Spirits mating with women--ludicrous.

                      Do you not think Satan will be further bound in the bottomless pit as stated in Rev. 20?
                      Thanks

                      No I believe satan was bound at the cross

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                        Re: When and why will God end our world? .........

                        Originally posted by marty fox View Post
                        No I believe satan was bound at the cross
                        I agree, but I use the word disarmed rather than bound to describe it.
                        I do not think he is bound, not bound yet anyway.
                        Don't seek too much knowledge. You just may be putting more weight on your shoulders than you're able to bare.
                        Let God be the one to decide how quickly you grow

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                          Thanks for your patience this post has finally been edited and is readable now LOL

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                            Re: When and why will God end our world? .........

                            Originally posted by Jacob's Ladder View Post
                            I agree, but I use the word disarmed rather than bound to describe it.
                            I do not think he is bound, not bound yet anyway.
                            Well I think the gospel binds Satan and the conforming perverted gospel releases him

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                              Re: When and why will God end our world? .........

                              Originally posted by Jacob's Ladder View Post
                              I agree, but I use the word disarmed rather than bound to describe it.
                              I do not think he is bound, not bound yet anyway.
                              I prefer to think Satan was finally defeated by the cross. "It is finished" was stated as the purpose Christ came in the flesh. 1 John 3:8 "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

                              Before the crucifixion, Satan could accuse God's creation of mankind not capable of living sinlessly. Christ came and did just that. Shutting Satan up forever. Rev. 12:10 "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."
                              John 15:17 "These things I command you, that ye love one another."

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