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  • #61
    Re: The False Prophet

    Originally posted by divaD View Post
    This is the part that puzzles me the most. There are 3 beasts in Dan 7, other than the 4th beast. But it can't be meaning those three since the text makes it clear it's connected with the horns on the 4th beast. I don't know what to make of that part, because it should mean there are only 7 horns remaining of the 10 horns, yet nowhere in Dan 7, nor in Revelation, does it ever mention 7 horns.
    Dan does since he mentions three times that 3 out of 10 horns are removed in some way so that does leave 7 of those horns but definitely that isn't found happening to any horns in Rev. The only way I can reconcile it is to believe God changed prophecy after the New Covenant and made some small changes that we now see in the newer prophecy regarding the beast in Rev.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    • #62
      Re: The False Prophet

      Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
      Ok so you and many others think the 7 heads are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, MP, Greece, Rome, Last kingdom (revived Rome?). So follow this logic....

      So I will assume though I don't agree that the four kingdoms in Dan 2 speak of the same in Dan 7. So we would have the seven heads as such .....

      1. Egypt
      2. Assyria
      3. Babylon - Lion
      4. MP - Bear
      5. Greece - Leopard
      6. Rome - Beast
      7. revived Rome - Little horn

      The problem is the Lion, Bear, Leopard, Beast are 7 heads in of themselves as the leopards has four heads. Thus in the most common interpretation there are actually more than 7 heads and thus needs to be discredited.

      6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

      1. Egypt
      2. Assyria
      3. Babylon - Lion
      4. MP - Bear
      5,6,7,8, Greece - Leopard
      9. Rome - Beast
      10. revived Rome - Little horn

      The seven heads are contained within the Lion (1), bear (2), Leopard (3,4,5,6), Beast (7) the little horn would be the 8th. Thus the seven heads would not include Egypt nor Assyria.
      HI Ross.

      We need to be careful of context, history shows us that the 4 heads of the leopard beast are the 4 divisions of the Greek Empire, simultaneous.

      Yet the wording of Rev 17 shows us that the 7 heads of the 4th beast are consecutive, not simultaneous. 5 were and one is. Under your logic the 6th head is one of the 4, but this would mean that one of those Greek kingdoms existed in the first century, yet history shows that Rome was in charge then, not any of the 4 Greek kingdoms.

      You are thinking out the box there, well done for that, but in reality your theory doesn't fit context.

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      • #63
        Re: The False Prophet

        Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post

        Yet the wording of Rev 17 shows us that the 7 heads of the 4th beast are consecutive, not simultaneous.
        Seems odd that the Rev 13:1 beast has all 7 heads all at the same time.

        Rev 13:1* And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.*
        James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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        • #64
          Re: The False Prophet

          Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
          Seems odd that the Rev 13:1 beast has all 7 heads all at the same time.

          Rev 13:1* And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.*
          It is in Rev 17, not Rev 13, that we see that the seven heads are consecutive. The beast represents both the final manifestation of Satan's 7 earthly kingdoms, and also the location of the origins of that final kingdom on the 7 hills.

          Rev 17 The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come;

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          • #65
            Re: The False Prophet

            Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post
            It is in Rev 17, not Rev 13, that we see that the seven heads are consecutive.
            Yet Rev 13 shows they are not. How do you answer that? All 7 heads exist at the same time on the beast.
            James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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            • #66
              Re: The False Prophet

              Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
              Yet Rev 13 shows they are not. How do you answer that? All 7 heads exist at the same time on the beast.
              Just like Satan already had the 7 heads and ten horns in Rev 12, even at the time of Christ, these are symbolic references to Satan's worldly kingdoms through the ages. It's symbols on a symbolic animal.

              The symbol of the 7 heads is explained in Rev 17, being 7 consecutive empires.

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              • #67
                Re: The False Prophet

                Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post
                Just like Satan already had the 7 heads and ten horns in Rev 12, even at the time of Christ, these are symbolic references to Satan's worldly kingdoms through the ages. It's symbols on a symbolic animal.

                The symbol of the 7 heads is explained in Rev 17, being 7 consecutive empires.
                Obviously I disagree since the 7 heads are never shown other than being simultaneous. The beast rises up with all 7 heads fully intact which dismisses any idea of being consecutive. Never is the beast described as having any less than 7 heads.

                John wrote, "having seven heads". Any concept of "consecutive" is impossible.
                James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                • #68
                  Re: The False Prophet

                  Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
                  Obviously I disagree since the 7 heads are never shown other than being simultaneous. The beast rises up with all 7 heads fully intact which dismisses any idea of being consecutive. Never is the beast described as having any less than 7 heads.

                  John wrote, "having seven heads". Any concept of "consecutive" is impossible.
                  I just take the Bible at face value
                  1) it's obvious that the beast in Rev 17 is the same as the one in Rev 13, they both have ten horns and seven heads
                  2) it is obvious that the 7 heads are consecutive, because 5 were, 1 is, and 1 is to come.

                  Its always possible to have a more complicated interpretation of the text, I just try to stick to the face value meaning.

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                  • #69
                    Re: The False Prophet

                    Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
                    Obviously I disagree since the 7 heads are never shown other than being simultaneous.
                    If they are simultaneous, where I tend to get that impression as well, IMO verse 2 in Rev 13 would be the reason why. But I do see DurbanDude's point as well. But why would John see a 7 headed beast rise up from the sea if 5 of those heads were no longer significant?

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                    • #70
                      Re: The False Prophet

                      Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
                      The heads are mountains.
                      But what are mountains though? Literal mountains?

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                      • #71
                        Re: The False Prophet

                        Originally posted by divaD View Post
                        If they are simultaneous, where I tend to get that impression as well, IMO verse 2 in Rev 13 would be the reason why. But I do see DurbanDude's point as well. But why would John see a 7 headed beast rise up from the sea if 5 of those heads were no longer significant?
                        I'm not sure how we can deny that history can be related to a future end - times beast, when the text clearly shows us that history is related to a future end times beast:

                        I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come. “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come

                        At the time that was written nearly 2000 years ago, 5 of the beast's 7 heads were ALREADY HISTORICAL.

                        We shouldn't interpret symbols via our own impressions, the Bible actually interprets the symbols for us.

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                        • #72
                          Re: The False Prophet

                          Originally posted by divaD View Post
                          But what are mountains though? Literal mountains?
                          I believe the heads represent both the 7 consecutive empires, and the original location of Rome, on 7 hills. Rome was originally known as the city of seven hills.

                          There will be a change though, the location of the headquarters of the beast moves off to another location (the little horn - antichrist comes to power in Jerusalem)

                          Yet instead the whore will be sitting there in Rome, the city of the 7 hills.

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                          • #73
                            Re: The False Prophet

                            Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post
                            and the original location of Rome, on 7 hills. Rome was originally known as the city of seven hills.
                            So which of the 7 literal hills in Rome has a deadly wound, and is healed?

                            Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads(apparently meaning one of the 7 hills of Rome) as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

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                            • #74
                              Re: The False Prophet

                              Here is a study I did on the false prophet

                              I believe the bible teaches that the false prophet was a demon influencing Moseley apostate Israel in the first century. He is also the true definition of who John teaches the antichrist to be.

                              A false prophet would have to come through the faithful. There has only been one church which is made up of the faithful before and after the cross from the days of Adam until today. Since this false prophet comes through the people of the faithful it would rule out him being from any other religion (Islam, budism ect ect).

                              Israel represented the faithful during most of the biblical times and this was from were the true prophets came from. So this false prophet purpose was to divert the Jews or the faithful away from their true Messiah. The false prophet is the only beast in the bible who is described as a clean animal (a lamb)which would represent Israel.

                              The false prophet along with the beast are cast into the lake of fire alive this doesn't happen to people as all people will be judged before being cast into the lake of fire. We know that satan (who we know is a demon) will be cast into the lake of fire alive (rev 20:12)in the future.

                              The false prophet along with the beast out of the sea (who I believe is a demon influencing Rome and its leaders in the first century) and satan makeup the unholy trinity. I believe the unholy trinity's purpose was to turn the Jews away from Jesus thier Messiah and have the people kill and reject Him. What could of been a more important task for Satan to do?

                              A description of the false prophet

                              Revelation 13:11
                              Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. He has 2 horns like a lamb but speaks like a dragon he looks gentle but he is evil.

                              How did Jesus describe false prophets and who did He say false prophets are?

                              Jesus talking about the Pharisees and describes them in

                              Matthew 7:15
                              Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
                              Jesus above links the false prophet to the Pharisees

                              Rev 13:13-16
                              13 And he doth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,

                              Mosses warned us about this in.

                              Deuteronomy 13:1-3
                              If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul

                              Mosses above also links false prophets to the Jews

                              The false prophet is of Satan and Jesus said this about the Jewish leadership in

                              John 8:44
                              44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies

                              Jesus above links the Pharisees to satan.

                              The false prophet gave power to the beast (Rome) when they had the people say "we have no king but Caesar". They received the symbolic mark on their forehead and hand by being devoted to Rome and doing its will.

                              John 19:50
                              But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

                              Who could be more evil than the Pharisees who's job it was to reveal the Messiah to the Jews but instead persuaded the Jews to reject and kill Him? They turned their people away from their true King Jesus and had the people call Cesar their king that is the true definition of a false prophet.

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                              • #75
                                Re: The False Prophet

                                Originally posted by marty fox View Post
                                The false prophet along with the beast are cast into the lake of fire alive this doesn't happen to people as all people will be judged before being cast into the lake of fire.
                                You think they have already literally been cast into there, correct?

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