So I don't derail other threads, Ive noticed a lot of views concerning who the False prophet is and to what his role entails. Ive noticed everyone including myself applies how they see the beasts, and their eschatology into their viewpoint, obviously if someone has a view that is wrong maybe others can point out an overlooked contradiction and help reshape our views. So who and what is the false prophet?
I for one have the first beast being both the Antichrist andthe false prophet, although I see the AC becoming the FP, let me explain.
Jesus Christ is the Messiah and our saviour He came into our world and was rejected by mankind as the prophesied King and Messiah, yet mankind will accept one of their own to represent himself.
John 5:43 says, I have come in my Father's name, and you donot accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.
This is in contrast to the prophet who God will use to represent Himself.
In Deut 18 we read “The Lord your God will raise up for youa prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear”
This is a prophecy concerning Christ, the true prophet raised up as a man who will speak with fullness the Words of God.
Christ performed signs to prove that He was the prophet to come, Moses set the template he performed signs to show Israel he was sent by God with the Word of God, for example one of the signs Moses performed was his authority over the serpent after Aarons rod ate the serpents that pharaoh had ordered thrown down, Moses then took the rod which was a serpent into his hand. Along with showing authority over the serpents other signs and miracles did Christ perform to show he was indeed the Prophet.
My whole point here is some man is going to come and present himself as the saviour of the world, and mankind will accept him in place of Christ and by definition is the Antichrist and will be over the world. (at the beginning,as a figure head or ruler??) Part of being the Saviour, Christ is to be able to perform signs to authenticate that one is indeed sent from God, hence the need for Antichrist to prove he is the prophet
I see the first beast that rises out of the sea, as rising up from among men therefore I see the first beast as the Antichrist.
Rev 13:1 and I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
I pretty much follow the more traditional view here, that as the world leader he will be the seventh, starting with Pharaoh as number one throughout the empires till now.
13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: andthe dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Again I go with pretty much the more common viewpoint, theworld empire will have aspects from the Babylonian, the speed of the Grecian, morestronger etc. etc. with all these previous aspects mixed in.
Rev 13:3-5 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded todeath; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after thebeast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to makewar with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
This is where I have the second beast come into play, The Antichrist seems to be fatally wounded, and he appears to be healed, there appears to be miraculous deception and the AC is now more accepted, This is where I believe the AC now evolves into the false prophet, he is given ability to perform great signs by the second beast, to deceive the whole earth, thus he now fulfils the signs of the prophet to come.
The second beast is Satan, these are the corresponding verses that show this.
2Thes 2:9-12 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and sot hat all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
Rev 13:11-14 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on theearth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight ofthe beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Without going into more detail at the moment, Its probably already obvious to some that the FP continues for another 42 months so yes I do see the role of AC as in the first halfof the 7 year period, who now is also the FP empowered by the second beast inthe second half.
I for one have the first beast being both the Antichrist andthe false prophet, although I see the AC becoming the FP, let me explain.
Jesus Christ is the Messiah and our saviour He came into our world and was rejected by mankind as the prophesied King and Messiah, yet mankind will accept one of their own to represent himself.
John 5:43 says, I have come in my Father's name, and you donot accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.
This is in contrast to the prophet who God will use to represent Himself.
In Deut 18 we read “The Lord your God will raise up for youa prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear”
This is a prophecy concerning Christ, the true prophet raised up as a man who will speak with fullness the Words of God.
Christ performed signs to prove that He was the prophet to come, Moses set the template he performed signs to show Israel he was sent by God with the Word of God, for example one of the signs Moses performed was his authority over the serpent after Aarons rod ate the serpents that pharaoh had ordered thrown down, Moses then took the rod which was a serpent into his hand. Along with showing authority over the serpents other signs and miracles did Christ perform to show he was indeed the Prophet.
My whole point here is some man is going to come and present himself as the saviour of the world, and mankind will accept him in place of Christ and by definition is the Antichrist and will be over the world. (at the beginning,as a figure head or ruler??) Part of being the Saviour, Christ is to be able to perform signs to authenticate that one is indeed sent from God, hence the need for Antichrist to prove he is the prophet
I see the first beast that rises out of the sea, as rising up from among men therefore I see the first beast as the Antichrist.
Rev 13:1 and I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
I pretty much follow the more traditional view here, that as the world leader he will be the seventh, starting with Pharaoh as number one throughout the empires till now.
13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: andthe dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Again I go with pretty much the more common viewpoint, theworld empire will have aspects from the Babylonian, the speed of the Grecian, morestronger etc. etc. with all these previous aspects mixed in.
Rev 13:3-5 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded todeath; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after thebeast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to makewar with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
This is where I have the second beast come into play, The Antichrist seems to be fatally wounded, and he appears to be healed, there appears to be miraculous deception and the AC is now more accepted, This is where I believe the AC now evolves into the false prophet, he is given ability to perform great signs by the second beast, to deceive the whole earth, thus he now fulfils the signs of the prophet to come.
The second beast is Satan, these are the corresponding verses that show this.
2Thes 2:9-12 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and sot hat all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
Rev 13:11-14 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on theearth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight ofthe beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Without going into more detail at the moment, Its probably already obvious to some that the FP continues for another 42 months so yes I do see the role of AC as in the first halfof the 7 year period, who now is also the FP empowered by the second beast inthe second half.
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