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    1. Is being gay a sin? my mums generally rather against it, which gets really annoying like if theres a celeb whos gay on tv, unless i really convince her she'll not like them very much.

    2. Are mormons christian? Some people seem to say yes others say they arent because they change scripture etc..

  • #2
    Originally posted by Lucariokid13 View Post
    1. Is being gay a sin? my mums generally rather against it, which gets really annoying like if theres a celeb whos gay on tv, unless i really convince her she'll not like them very much.

    2. Are mormons christian? Some people seem to say yes others say they arent because they change scripture etc..
    1. Loaded question; short answer: yes. Long answer: the disposition isn't inherently sinful, acting on that disposition, however, is. I'd compare it with alcoholism. There are some people who are predisposed alcoholics (so that if they drink they will desire alcohol constantly) however, if they refrain from drinking they are fine.

    2. They would be considered heretical; no, they aren't Christian.

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    • #3
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      Originally posted by Lucariokid13 View Post
      1. Is being gay a sin? my mums generally rather against it, which gets really annoying like if theres a celeb whos gay on tv, unless i really convince her she'll not like them very much.
      .

      Here are some verses about it:

      Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

      For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:



      And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.



      And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;



      Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,



      Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,



      Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:



      Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:25>>


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Xel'Naga View Post
        1. Loaded question; short answer: yes. Long answer: the disposition isn't inherently sinful, acting on that disposition, however, is. I'd compare it with alcoholism. There are some people who are predisposed alcoholics (so that if they drink they will desire alcohol constantly) however, if they refrain from drinking they are fine.

        2. They would be considered heretical; no, they aren't Christian.
        But they believe in christ, so do they go to heaven?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lucariokid13 View Post
          But they believe in christ, so do they go to heaven?
          They don't believe in the Christ of the revealed Word, so no.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lucariokid13 View Post
            But they believe in christ, so do they go to heaven?
            Essentially, they worship a different Christ than the rest of us.

            Plus they pretty much assign divinity to Joseph Smith.

            Plus they don't believe in the personality of the Holy Spirit.

            Plus they condone/force incest.
            Always give God credit first.

            "Dost thou think because thou art virtuous there shall be no more cakes and ale?"
            -Sir Toby, Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare

            James 1:19

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Xel'Naga View Post
              They don't believe in the Christ of the revealed Word, so no.
              i have no idea what the revealed word means , but i'll try to continue. One of my mormon friends whos in his 30s says he believes they are christians and they believe in the Christ of the Bible and throu him they get eternal life. He also said:"Mormons believe God speaks. Mormons believe the Bible is the word of God. Mormons believe the Book of Mormon is another witness of Jesus Christ. Each Mormon believes in continuing revelation from God. Mormons believe that God still speaks to prophets today" isnt that nearly us? He also says he's felt God and the Holy Spirit.

              So shouldnt he get into heaven? also would jewish people? It just dosent seem fair for mormons not to get into heaven even thou they belive in christ.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Lucariokid13 View Post
                i have no idea what the revealed word means , but i'll try to continue. One of my mormon friends whos in his 30s says he believes they are christians and they believe in the Christ of the Bible and throu him they get eternal life. He also said:"Mormons believe God speaks. Mormons believe the Bible is the word of God. Mormons believe the Book of Mormon is another witness of Jesus Christ. Each Mormon believes in continuing revelation from God. Mormons believe that God still speaks to prophets today" isnt that nearly us? He also says he's felt God and the Holy Spirit.

                So shouldnt he get into heaven? also would jewish people? It just dosent seem fair for mormons not to get into heaven even thou they belive in christ.
                The revealed Word is otherwise known as the Bible; scripture. So when someone says that another person (or group of people) does not believe in the God of the revealed Word (or the Word revealed), they are saying that person or group does not believe in the God of scripture.

                Mormons hold many superfluous doctrines that are not revealed through Scripture. Scripture being referred to as what's known as 'canon', which means 'measuring stick'. Any claim pertaining to God, Jesus Christ, Christians etc. is checked against scripture. If those references don't check out then simply, that group is preaching a different Christ, which Paul warned against.

                Major issues with Mormonism that are not scriptural:

                1. God [The Father] has a body of flesh and bones
                2. Jesus is a created - not an eternal - being
                3. Mormonism believes that Jesus is a god, not The God

                The book of Mormon, by the way, not being another revelation because it contradicts (or blatantly steals from) scripture. We can talk about that though, if you so wish.

                I don't want to judge your friend, so please realize I'm talking about Mormonism as its statement of faith describes itself. Thus as it stands, Mormons are not Christians, they will not be in Heaven with Jesus. They do not believe in Christ.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Xel'Naga View Post
                  The revealed Word is otherwise known as the Bible; scripture. So when someone says that another person (or group of people) does not believe in the God of the revealed Word (or the Word revealed), they are saying that person or group does not believe in the God of scripture.

                  Mormons hold many superfluous doctrines that are not revealed through Scripture. Scripture being referred to as what's known as 'canon', which means 'measuring stick'. Any claim pertaining to God, Jesus Christ, Christians etc. is checked against scripture. If those references don't check out then simply, that group is preaching a different Christ, which Paul warned against.

                  Major issues with Mormonism that are not scriptural:

                  1. God [The Father] has a body of flesh and bones
                  2. Jesus is a created - not an eternal - being
                  3. Mormonism believes that Jesus is a god, not The God

                  The book of Mormon, by the way, not being another revelation because it contradicts (or blatantly steals from) scripture. We can talk about that though, if you so wish.

                  I don't want to judge your friend, so please realize I'm talking about Mormonism as its statement of faith describes itself. Thus as it stands, Mormons are not Christians, they will not be in Heaven with Jesus. They do not believe in Christ.

                  But dont mormons read the bible as well as the book of mormon? Its just i think its mean for a mormon to go to hell even thou they believe christ as savior.
                  Is it true that theres a middle place between heaven and hell? and that in revelations people are judged on what they did and if they were good they got to go into heaven, at least thats one someone said to me.

                  Sorry if im bein annoying its just i have alot of mormon friends and i dont want them to go to hell

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Lucariokid13 View Post
                    But dont mormons read the bible as well as the book of mormon? Its just i think its mean for a mormon to go to hell even thou they believe christ as savior.
                    Is it true that theres a middle place between heaven and hell? and that in revelations people are judged on what they did and if they were good they got to go into heaven, at least thats one someone said to me.

                    Sorry if im bein annoying its just i have alot of mormon friends and i dont want them to go to hell
                    Sure, Mormons read the Bible... But so do Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennet, Sam Harris and a lot of very famous atheists who are very anti-Christian: doesn't mean they believe or follow what it teaches. If Mormons believed and understood the Bible they would not be reading the book of Mormon, which is a different Christ.

                    They don't believe in Jesus Christ as savior. At least they don't believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible, and that's what matters. If they say they believe in 'Jesus Christ' but their Jesus turns out to be one who's different than what's in the Bible, then that does no one any good - their faith is in vain.

                    There's no such thing as a middle place between Heaven and Hell (known as purgetory). In Revelation you have two judgments, I'll simplify it and simply say God judges non-Christians and Christians differently. Non-Christians are judged by their works (but are going to Hell no matter how good they are, because our good works are meaningless). Christians are judged according to how they fulfilled the great commission. No one is going to Heaven after that judgment because they did something "good". In the eyes of God nothing we do is "good".

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                    • #11
                      So what do you think will happen to them?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lucariokid13 View Post
                        So what do you think will happen to them?
                        If they don't come to Christ? They won't be spending eternity with God, if you catch the implication.

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                        • #13
                          i mean will they go to hell. Its just i always thought they would go to heaven so its really depressing to here that they wont

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lucariokid13 View Post
                            i mean will they go to hell. Its just i always thought they would go to heaven so its really depressing to here that they wont
                            That's the implication, yes. It doesn't have to be that way, though. You're very much capable of introducing them to who Jesus really is as he's revealed by scripture, not Joseph Smith.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Xel'Naga View Post
                              That's the implication, yes. It doesn't have to be that way, though. You're very much capable of introducing them to who Jesus really is as he's revealed by scripture, not Joseph Smith.
                              the problem is he believes that is the Christ of the bible and im only 13, why would a 31yr old listen to me? im not a very confident person anyway. Just wonderin but if he is wrong why as he said the holy spirit spoke to him and said that the book of mormon is true.
                              What if i just prayed for them would that work? u know just ask God to do whats best. Thats all i feel im capable of.

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