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    Pennsylvania Town Says Couple Runs Swingers' Club Inside Church

    PITTSBURGH A Pennsylvania couple is fighting to maintain a church they run from a Huntingdon Township home, which officials say is really a raunchy swingers club where single men have to pay for access but women come for free.

    John and Kim Ondrik say they worship nature at the Church for Spiritual Humanism. But midnight mass at the Spiritual Palace is on hold as the Rev. John and his wife fight for a variance to continue practicing their religion in a residential area just outside of Pittsburgh.

    Opponents of his church, including neighbors and North Huntingdon Township officials, say what's really behind those closed doors is a club called the "Swinger's Palace."


    All I can say is good grief!
    "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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    Oh wow, that's really creepy!

    they worship nature at the Church for Spiritual Humanism
    Well, there's a dead giveaway that it's no sort of church at all. Christianity doesn't support the worship of nature or any other idol; this sounds like something associated with a pagan tradition or maybe Wicca? But by no means is it a church, swingers or no swingers! How did this person "Reverend John" become a Reverend in the first place, I wonder?

    I totally don't understand the concept of swinging. I mean, I know what it is, just not the motivation. What enjoyment can possibly come from seeing your marriage partner with another man or woman? Not only is it gross, it's immoral, isn't it? How can anyone do this and call it "church"?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by thestarofthesea View Post
      Oh wow, that's really creepy!



      Well, there's a dead giveaway that it's no sort of church at all. Christianity doesn't support the worship of nature or any other idol; this sounds like something associated with a pagan tradition or maybe Wicca? But by no means is it a church, swingers or no swingers! How did this person "Reverend John" become a Reverend in the first place, I wonder?

      I totally don't understand the concept of swinging. I mean, I know what it is, just not the motivation. What enjoyment can possibly come from seeing your marriage partner with another man or woman? Not only is it gross, it's immoral, isn't it? How can anyone do this and call it "church"?
      A church is a gathering place...usually for religious worship...which many things can fall under the definition of religion. (from a secular point of view) Now in this case..its more like a front to hide what they were really doing...I agree its sickening and disgusting and I hope they can't continue on with it.

      In our faith..biblically speaking, a church is made up of believers and doesn't even have to have a building involved of course.

      God bless
      "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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      • #4
        Originally posted by thestarofthesea View Post
        Oh wow, that's really creepy!



        Christianity doesn't support the worship of nature or any other idol; this sounds like something associated with a pagan tradition or maybe Wicca?

        You are right on, worship of Humanism, is the worship of self, it's witchcraft, and this is nothing but a pleasure temple sodomistic nature no doubt
        It takes love to embrace those ones who are weak, and strength to endure the weakness, I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me

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        • #5
          "Spiritual humanism" is a contradiction really. How can one be spiritual (recognizing there is a higher being than humans) and a humanist (recognizing that humans are the highest beings out there)?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by apothanein kerdos View Post
            "Spiritual humanism" is a contradiction really. How can one be spiritual (recognizing there is a higher being than humans) and a humanist (recognizing that humans are the highest beings out there)?
            Because many times human beings are walking contradictions...

            or at least their ideas anyway...
            "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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            • #7
              Originally posted by thestarofthesea View Post
              *snipped for brevity*

              How did this person "Reverend John" become a Reverend in the first place, I wonder?
              If I were a betting woman.... three words. "Online theology certificate". It's amazing how many "ministers" can fill out a form, get sent a happy little piece of paper that tells them they're officially ordained somehow, and they can then turn around and "pastor" a "church". Same deal when humanist "ministers" get theology licences online so they can "legally" perform weddings.
              -- Your ~sister~ in Christ.... a "Kaffinated Kittykat"!!

              ROMANS 5:8. Forgiven. Freed. Humbled. Amazed. Grateful. Relying on Christ.

              Love is not a place to come and go as we please
              It's a house we enter in, then commit to never leave
              So lock the door behind you, and throw away the key
              We'll work it out together, let it bring us to our knees.....
              Warren Barfield



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              • #8
                Can anyone say 501C3?
                Thus says YHWH, "Stand by the ways and see and ask for the ancient paths, Where the good way is, and walk in it; And you will find rest for your souls.
                -Jeremiah 6:16

                Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. - Matthew 11:29

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                • #9
                  Isn't that your code for tax-exempt status?

                  Me! Me! I can say it!
                  -- Your ~sister~ in Christ.... a "Kaffinated Kittykat"!!

                  ROMANS 5:8. Forgiven. Freed. Humbled. Amazed. Grateful. Relying on Christ.

                  Love is not a place to come and go as we please
                  It's a house we enter in, then commit to never leave
                  So lock the door behind you, and throw away the key
                  We'll work it out together, let it bring us to our knees.....
                  Warren Barfield



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                  • #10
                    In california, this would be a violation of the Unruh Act.

                    Establishments can not offer different pricing based on sex. "ladies enter free" "1/2 price booze for ladies" and so on are in violation of this law.

                    Now, the definition of church is very broad and they can claiim that this practice is part of their religion. But eventually it will catch up to them, especially if they are charging. "Churches" are not for profit entities.

                    So, the IRS or someone else will most likely get to them one day.
                    My body is a temple and my tattoos are the stained glass.

                    You can take away my worldly things, you can take away my life. There's one thing you can't touch.... MY FAITH IN GOD

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                    • #11
                      Its a sickening reality.

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                      • #12
                        Well... I am tired, cranky, drained yet I cannot go to bed this yet so I am just all fresh out of mature and well-thought answers so my only response is this:



                        Now if you'll please excuse me while I cry over what this world keeps coming to. Every time I think nothing shocks me anymore...
                        The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shined.
                        --Isaiah 9:2

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rev John
                          Spiritual Humanism
                          Jeremy, a bondservant of the Lord.

                          Today is a good day to die for Christ.

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