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    Help bietjie Lighuisers, waar val Noord Amerika in aan die einde van tye soos beskryf in die Bybel ?

    'n Interesante, dog effens skrikwekende opinie van iemand soos Chuck Missler ( BRON ) :


    Conspicuous by Its Absence?
    One of the mysteries in the Biblical prophetic scenario, is where does America appear?
    The final battle-the Battle of Armageddon-is a four-power conflict: triggered by the “Kings of the South” (Egypt?), responded to by the “Kings of the North” (Syria? Russia? ...various opinions), and dominated by a Western Confederacy (The Antichrist, et al) until the “Kings of the East” are drawn in.
    Where is the United States? There are many conjectures among scholars. Some assume that we will ultimately be somehow associated with the Western Confederacy. The continuing erosion of our constitutional republic, plus the increasing move toward a police state to “fight terrorism,” seems consistent with the growing tide toward a global government.
    Others assume that America simply will not be a major player at that time. As variations of this second view, some suggest that America will have become economically and militarily less relevant by then. Others (disturbed by the hint in Ezekiel 39:6), fear that we may have been the subject of a major nuclear exchange over the growing tensions in the Middle East.

    Wat dink julle ?

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    Re: Amerika quo vadis ?

    Originally posted by Die Filadelfieer View Post
    Help bietjie Lighuisers, waar val Noord Amerika in aan die einde van tye soos beskryf in die Bybel ?

    'n Interesante, dog effens skrikwekende opinie van iemand soos Chuck Missler ( BRON ) :





    Wat dink julle ?
    Fila, ons verstaan is dat Amerika niks gaan beteken in die eindtyd nie. Amerika word nie eers in die Bybel genoem nie.

    UITTREKSEL:
    So, what happens to the United States of America? We have looked at my view–which I believe is the biblical view—that God’s people, the Christians of these end times, are Israel’s most fervent friends. But, again I must write a word of qualification. Not all of the born again hold to the position that Israel is God’s chosen nation as given in the Old Testament. Most Christians today (again talking about born-again members of God’s family) don’t even think in terms of Israel and its prophetic destiny one way or the other. This is because these Christians aren’t taught about the truth of these matters by their pastors and teachers. Also, they don’t do enough study on their own to open their spiritual minds on these things, so God the Holy Spirit can instruct them regarding Israel and prophecy yet future. They are ignorant of these things. Many are willfully ignorant.

    So, it is a relatively small group who observe prophetic matters as outlined in God’s Word. Nonetheless, all Christians –every single individual who is a member of God’s eternal family—will go to be with Jesus Christ when He shouts: “Come up here” (Rev. 4:1). All of Israel’s most fervent supporters –that Jewish nation’s staunchest allies—will instantly be gone from the planet. I believe it is at this moment on God’s prophetic time line that America’s time as a viable nation will begin a precipitous plunge. It will recede into the depths of history past, so far as its grandiosity is concerned.

    Much of the stable, tax-paying base will be removed in that stupefying moment. Its worker-base will be so severely disrupted that it won’t come close to resembling the economic powerhouse it was the moment before the rapture. This, because America has, it is quite safe to presume—the highest percentage of Christians of any nation of significant population.
    The politicians and powers that be within governmental and business bureaucracies will flail wildly, trying to bring their turfdoms back into some semblance of order. It will be a task that will be impossible without the most extreme, draconian measures. Ultimately, I’m convinced, these political and governmental powers will readily agree to come under the auspices of the much more stable European Union. The EU–the member nations of which have long-since doused the Gospel light, thus its populations not as severely affected as that of the U.S.-- will grow to immense size and power within perhaps only a few days.

    Israel Following Rapture
    Israel will suddenly find itself without its staunchest lobby-base with the American government. The U.S. leadership will, itself, find itself so tied up in the staggering problems of trying to regain economic and societal equilibrium that urgent pleas from Israeli leaders will likely go unheeded.

    The Islamic world will have lost in the rapture its small children and babies in the wombs of mothers within the Middle Eastern world. But Islamic armies of young, fanatic militants will be untouched by the catastrophe that has caused the disappearance of many millions of people. These, under their enraged leadership, will almost certainly fervently look at Israel to vent their frustrations. Likely the true Islamic fundamentalist fanatics will see what has happened as Allah’s preparing to bring on the end of the world.
    Perhaps this is the “hook” in the “jaws,” which Ezekiel the prophet foretold God promises to implement at this time. There will be no one –including America—to offer to defend Israel. It is at this time that the great, supernaturally persuasive world leader who will one day in the future be known as “the beast” –Antichrist—will come forward from the swiftly reforming western alliance. He will propose to all of the antagonists of the forces poised for war a peace covenant they won’t be able to refuse.
    Without genuine repentance of her people, America’s time as the apex nation of history will end. She will lose her golden glow. Her former glory will turn black with soot from the fire of judgment and wrath that will be the fate of all who come against Jesus Christ –the God of all creation.

    America’s place in prophecy, without repentance before God, is seen in the Babylonian system of rebellion, as represented by the description of the destruction of its chief city.

    “Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her” (Rev. 18:8).
    http://www.raptureready.com/rr-america.html

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    • #3
      Re: Amerika quo vadis ?

      Ek wonder maar net en weet eintlik nie.Ek wonder dikwels of Amerika nie onder die Romeinse ryk val nie.Net soos ons,Australië en N Z is ons voorouers afkomstig uit Europa.

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      • #4
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        Ek gaan nie hier juis kommentaar lewer nie, want vir my is dit dieselfde as om kommentaar te lewer oor hoe dinousaurusse geleef het. Die hele basis van die onderwerp is in my opinie nie Bybels verantwoordbaar nie en daarom kan ons net bespiegel, maar hier bespiegel ons as mens en nie volgens die waarheid van God nie.

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        • #5
          Re: Amerika quo vadis ?

          Hi Fila

          Profeties, soos ek dit verstaan, Is Noord Amerika die dier uit die aarde. Meeste protestante het daarheen gevlug. Die valse profeet, i.e. vervalle protestantisme, kom dus daaruit. Hulle het dus ook die mag om mense te help om die antichris te volg. As jy belang stel, kan ek 'n groter, vollediger beskrywe daarvan hierop plaas??

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          • #6
            Re: Amerika quo vadis ?

            My Latyn is biedjie verroes..... Wat beteken "Quo vadis"

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            • #7
              Re: Amerika quo vadis ?

              Originally posted by Ben Cronje View Post
              My Latyn is biedjie verroes..... Wat beteken "Quo vadis"
              Fila vra: Amerika, Waar gaan jy heen??
              The LORD is my Miracle

              G_d was gracious He has shown favor


              Hope is a seed
              God plants in our hearts
              to remind us
              there are better things ahead.
              -Holley Gerth

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              • #8
                Re: Amerika quo vadis ?

                Originally posted by Die Filadelfieer View Post
                Help bietjie Lighuisers, waar val Noord Amerika in aan die einde van tye soos beskryf in die Bybel ?

                'n Interesante, dog effens skrikwekende opinie van iemand soos Chuck Missler ( BRON ) :





                Wat dink julle ?
                Ek glo persoonlik dat net Eurasië en Afrika in die Bybel deel maak van profesie. Europa as sulks word ingesluit by die dele waar Europeërs na uitgewyk het. Amerika is soos ek dit sien net 'n verlengstuk van Europa...

                Dit kan meer spesifiek wees, maar in wese glo ek tog dit het meriete om so daarna te kyk.
                The Rapture

                My dearest friends, I’m so sorry… so sorry
                but I must confess, don’t worry
                the rapture is not before the Great Tribulation
                it’s before God’s wrath!!!

                Because His wrath is not meant for you
                it’s for all the people in the zoo
                think about it and refresh…
                you will see there’s no way out of here, in the flesh

                If you really believe, you will see
                the rapture is for you and me
                when we decide to leave from here
                that very day, oh! God adhere…


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                • #9
                  Re: Amerika quo vadis ?

                  Originally posted by Ben Cronje View Post
                  Hi Fila

                  Profeties, soos ek dit verstaan, Is Noord Amerika die dier uit die aarde. Meeste protestante het daarheen gevlug. Die valse profeet, i.e. vervalle protestantisme, kom dus daaruit. Hulle het dus ook die mag om mense te help om die antichris te volg. As jy belang stel, kan ek 'n groter, vollediger beskrywe daarvan hierop plaas??
                  Gooi hom Ben ! Dit is mos maar een van die redes hoekom Lighuis hier is, sodat ons kan gesels oor die goete.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Amerika quo vadis ?

                    Originally posted by Kalahari View Post
                    Ek gaan nie hier juis kommentaar lewer nie, want vir my is dit dieselfde as om kommentaar te lewer oor hoe dinousaurusse geleef het. Die hele basis van die onderwerp is in my opinie nie Bybels verantwoordbaar nie en daarom kan ons net bespiegel, maar hier bespiegel ons as mens en nie volgens die waarheid van God nie.
                    Eintlik praat die bybel baie duidelik van Amerika. Weer in n profesie en daar is oorgenoeg bewyse dat die bybel van Amerika praat.

                    Ek weet nie of Ben dit mooi gan verduidelik wanneer hy n meer voledige beskrywing doen nie, maar as hy nie, dan sal ek dit wel doen..
                    See how much the Father has loved us! His love is so great that we are called God's children---and so, in fact, we are! - 1John 3:1
                    Gods true word!
                    Believing it . Defending it . Proclaiming it .

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                    • #11
                      Re: Amerika quo vadis ?

                      Originally posted by HammerHead View Post
                      Eintlik praat die bybel baie duidelik van Amerika. Weer in n profesie en daar is oorgenoeg bewyse dat die bybel van Amerika praat.

                      Ek weet nie of Ben dit mooi gan verduidelik wanneer hy n meer voledige beskrywing doen nie, maar as hy nie, dan sal ek dit wel doen..
                      Hi HH. Gaan jy my eerder voor, want ek het 'n vermoede jy het 'n breer agtergrond as ek hierso.. Dan ondersteun ek waar ek kan, ensomeer.

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                      • #12
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                        Jammer Ben! Toe ek weer my draad lees toe klink dit amper asof ek se jy kan nie n goeie 'job' daarvan doen nie, glad nie my bedoeling nie!!! Ek dink jy sal n uitstekende verduideliking gee! Maar as jy wil he ek moet dit uitle, dan sal ek voortgaan...Ek gan net so paar uur nodig he om alles bymekaar te skraap, nes jy!

                        See how much the Father has loved us! His love is so great that we are called God's children---and so, in fact, we are! - 1John 3:1
                        Gods true word!
                        Believing it . Defending it . Proclaiming it .

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                        • #13
                          Re: Amerika quo vadis ?

                          Originally posted by HammerHead View Post
                          Jammer Ben! Toe ek weer my draad lees toe klink dit amper asof ek se jy kan nie n goeie 'job' daarvan doen nie, glad nie my bedoeling nie!!! Ek dink jy sal n uitstekende verduideliking gee! Maar as jy wil he ek moet dit uitle, dan sal ek voortgaan...Ek gan net so paar uur nodig he om alles bymekaar te skraap, nes jy!

                          Nee HH, jy hoef oor niks jammer te voel nie. Ek is 'n ewige optimis wat dit in die positiewe manier verstaan het.. Ek weet jy het dit nie op daardie manier bedoel nie. Ek wil werklik hê jy moet dit uitlê...ons kan 'n paar uur wag

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                          • #14
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                            Wat is die deurmekaarste ding in die wereld? Twee mans wat gelyk by 'n deur aankom: Jy eerste. Nee, gaan jy maar voor...

                            Ons is vol verwagting vir wat hierdie gesprek nog gaan oplewer.

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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by Son of the South View Post
                              Wat is die deurmekaarste ding in die wereld? Twee mans wat gelyk by 'n deur aankom: Jy eerste. Nee, gaan jy maar voor...

                              Ons is vol verwagting vir wat hierdie gesprek nog gaan oplewer.
                              Goei punt! Ons neem kennis.... Maar ons het nou konsensus bereik: HH is on MAN! Hy vat voor en ons kom agterna.....

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