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    Isaiah 18 Bible Commentary.

    Isaiah 18 Bible Commentary.
    ISAIAH Chapter 18
    1. Woe to the land of spinning wings, beyond the rivers of Cush;
    2. That sends ambassadors by sea, in wooden vessels upon the waters. Go quickly you messengers and speak to a tall and smooth skin people, to a nation violent from their beginning onward; a strong and conquering nation, whose land is divided by waters.
    3. All you inhabitants of the world living upon the earth; Look and listen when he lifts up a banner on the mountain, and when he blows the trumpet.
    4. Yahwah said to me, I will remain silent, and I will consider in my dwelling place like a heat wave in the sunlight, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest.
    5. For before the harvest, when the blossom is gone, and the bud is ripening into young grapes, He shall cut off both the sprigs and cut down the branches with pruning hooks and take them away.
    6. They shall be left to the gathering birds of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth; the birds shall summer upon them, and the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them.
    7. In that time a gift shall be brought to Yahwah Almighty, by a tall and smooth skin people, from a nation violent from their beginning onward; a strong and conquering nation, whose land is divided by waters, to a place named for Yahwah Almighty, Mount Zion.


    1. Spinning, buzzing, whirling, twirling and shadowing wings. The point to be made here is that any of these words are acceptable in the translation. The point being that the wings are in motion and that it is being used to help personally identify that nation along with other key points.

    2. Beyond. The N.I.V bible translation (along) instead of (beyond) is in error. The subject nation is across the seas. Zephaniah 3:10 repeats part of Isaiah 18.

    3. Cush or Kush is now days called Ethiopia.

    4. Ambassadors or envoys. This is also key to the identification of that nation that sends ambassadors by sea.

    5. Wooden. The word wooden is used in place of the words bulrushes and papyrus. Strongís bible dictionary attributes bulrushes as (papyrus), a plant used to make a wood pulp to build small boats or make paper. The word wooden is an interpretation and not a translation.

    6. Tall. The King James Bible does not use the word tall in its translation. The word tall is important in the identification of that nation.

    7. Smooth skin. The King James Bible translation is ďscattered and peeledĒ, and the words can be translated that way. However the correct choice is smooth skin. Smooth skin means meek. Itís the opposite of being callus. What is being said is, go to the meek of that nation.

    8. Conquering. The King James in verse two uses the words (meted out) and (trodden down). The word meted means also measure out. It should have used the word tall for the translation. Also the words (trodden down) should have been translated to conquering.

    9. Divided. The King James uses the word (spoiled), who knows why. The word should have been translated (divided). The correct translation of any bible word or verse is very important for correctly understanding what is being said.

    10. And 11.Banner and trumpet. The word is (shofar), a horn. The word trumpet was used as an acceptable translation. Banner, flag or ensign are all acceptable translations.

    The seven branch menorah was designed by Yahwah as a national symbol. It was shown to Moses so it could be made for the sanctuary of earth.

    Psalm 60:4. You have given a banner to them that fear you, that it may be displayed because of the truth. Selah.

    12. Grapes and branches. Both of these words have a symbolic meaning.

    13. Lord. That title is used in place of Gods personal name Yahwah.

    14. Mount Zion. See Hebrews 12:22. and Revelation 14:1. There are also other places in the bible that are related to this subject Mount Zion or Zion.

    This is the interpretation.
    Woe is for the sorrows that will come upon that nation in the last days.
    There are five key points in the identification of that nation. Number one is spinning wings. Number two, they sent ambassadors by sea in wooden vessels. Number three, the people are tall. Number four, they have a violent beginning for that nation and onward. And number five, that nations land is divided by its waters. America is that nation!

    Spinning wings represents air craft for which America is famous for. Sending ambassadors by sea in boats is a historical fact after America became a new nation. American people are among the tallest of the nations. America had a violent beginning and has continued in violence throughout its history, whereas other nations have had long periods of peace. No other place in the world is more divided by its waters than America. America uses its waterways to divide nation from states, states from counties, counties from cities, and cities from towns.

    All of these things that I have said here are a matter of fact and not my opinion. In regards to verse four, were God says He will consider in His dwelling place like a cloud of due in the heat of harvest: This means; by His righteousness he will judge the harvest. In verse five, the words grapes and branches are used symbolically for the people of the world.
    When a person studies the bible they are in a search for clues. Also a person needs to know that some words can be translated differently. Example: Isaiah 18. The king James translates one verse as the people being (scattered and peeled). However the N.I.V translates the same verse as (smooth skin) people. Those Hebrew words can be translated either way. Now a people of a nation can be scattered, but they cannot be peeled. So the next question would be what does smooth skin mean. Thatís easy, because itís a phrase we use this day. Itís the opposite of being callus; it means meek. So therefore the verse is saying go to the meek of a violent nation.

    Now while other nations have had opportunities for long periods of peace, America has not since its beginning. In history it is a known fact that after America became a nation; it sent ambassadors by ships all over the world.
    Also, if a person was to study a map of Americaís borders they would find that no other place in the world is more divided by its water ways. In regards to the terms spinning or shadowing of wings, America was the first to develop aircraft. And America is a nation that is beyond the rivers of Cush; now called Ethiopia.

    Notice here how Zephaniah repeats part of Isaiah 18.
    Zephaniah 3

    9 "Then will I purify the lips of the peoples, that all of them may call on the name of Yahwah and serve him shoulder to shoulder.
    10 From beyond the rivers of Cush my worshipers, my scattered people, will bring me offerings.
    11 On that day you will not be put to shame for all the wrongs you have done to me, because I will remove from this city those who rejoice in their pride. Never again will you be haughty on my holy hill.
    12 But I will leave within you the meek and humble, who trust in the name of Yahwah.

    After I had made my first post on Isaiah 18, and after it was on the internet for some time, Hal Lindsey on TBN spoke on May 02, 2001. Hal stated that he did not believe Isaiah 18 is about America. Although Hal is a good Christian man, he has been wrong in the past.

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    I have heard another interpretation from an Afrikaner of South Africa. Afrikaners are mainly of Dutch descent (German and French as well). They are tall - the Dutch being the tallest nation on earth. South Africa is literally a "land beyond Cush". Cush is northern Africa. Beyond Cush from an Israel perspective is further South from Cush. The word "peeled" or "smooth" could refer to the relative paleness and sun sensitivity of the European descendants compared to Jews and Africans. The description identifies these people from beyond Cush to have defining skins compared to the other tribes beyond Cush.

    The Afrikaner has been established in Africa through many wars, with local tribes , and 2 wars with England. Ruthless wars of wholesale murder in concentration camps. Large portions of the Afrikaner women and children were starved there by the British soldiers, who couldn't win the war without stopping the wives from running the farms. The Afrikaner wives used to supply the Afrikaner soldiers (Boers) with supplies. So they just removed the women from the farms and starved them in the camps.

    Most lands are divided by rivers, so I don't know where that comes in. South Africa has a few large rivers dividing the land , but then so does Congo ,and USA as well.

    Because the roads in Africa are bad , helicopters are a very common form of swift warfare in Africa. South Africans who were trained under the white apartheid government are a large source of security and mercenary soldiers in Africa (eg did you see the movie Blood Diamond) and around the world. For example there are many South Africans as independant security in Iraq at the moment. Whirling wings - helicopter warfare.

    South Africa is a very Christian God-fearing nation. For example at a recent Christian men's conference on a farm many miles from the nearest city there were 60 000 men for a weekend.

    Some may not believe in the significance of modern day prophecies, but there have been many prophecies of the stabilisation of Africa to come from the south, and South Africa to be a Christian haven at the endtimes.

    I am not saying if I agree or disagree with this interpretation of Isaiah, just an alternative view that I have heard, that the Afrikaner will have a second chance to influence Africa, and this time will take up their role of influence in a positive way instead of the racial mess of Apartheid. The modern prophecies say that this will happen soon, possibly before South Africa hosts the Soccer world Cup in 2010.

    http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesSouthAfrica.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by DurbanDude View Post
    I have heard another interpretation from an Afrikaner of South Africa. Afrikaners are mainly of Dutch descent (German and French as well). They are tall - the Dutch being the tallest nation on earth. South Africa is literally a "land beyond Cush". Cush is northern Africa. Beyond Cush from an Israel perspective is further South from Cush. The word "peeled" or "smooth" could refer to the relative paleness and sun sensitivity of the European descendants compared to Jews and Africans. The description identifies these people from beyond Cush to have defining skins compared to the other tribes beyond Cush.
    Well that is interesting, but I dont think it is a match for Isaiah 18.

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    Why not see Isaiah 18 in a time, not thousands of years later but in the time it was written? I don't believe this has anything to do with our present time.

    Back in 715 B.C. the founder of the 25th dynasty was an Ethiopian named Shabako. He had power over Ethiopia and Egypt. In the time of Isaiah, Ethiopia was a world power. They historically were a major threat to the existing Assyrian empire. The prophecy concerns the then mighty Ethiopian dynasty that had control until 633 B.C

    Judah was caught in the middle of the conflict between the Ethiopian and Assyrian Empires. God is stating for Judah not to trust in Judah but in Him. In His time He will deal with the Assyrian Empire with no help from Ethiopia. He then states that their will be a time when the Ethiopian will worship in Mount Zion. This was fulfilled when the Ethiopian was converted by Philip in the Acts.

    I don't see any reason to throw this into the 21st century when it was occurring in the time of Isaiah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    Why not see Isaiah 18 in a time, not thousands of years later but in the time it was written? I don't believe this has anything to do with our present time.

    Back in 715 B.C. the founder of the 25th dynasty was an Ethiopian named Shabako. He had power over Ethiopia and Egypt. In the time of Isaiah, Ethiopia was a world power. They historically were a major threat to the existing Assyrian empire. The prophecy concerns the then mighty Ethiopian dynasty that had control until 633 B.C

    Judah was caught in the middle of the conflict between the Ethiopian and Assyrian Empires. God is stating for Judah not to trust in Judah but in Him. In His time He will deal with the Assyrian Empire with no help from Ethiopia. He then states that their will be a time when the Ethiopian will worship in Mount Zion. This was fulfilled when the Ethiopian was converted by Philip in the Acts.

    I don't see any reason to throw this into the 21st century when it was occurring in the time of Isaiah.
    If you look very close at the way the scripture is worded, you will see that it is in regards to the time just before the 1000 year reign of Messiah, and just after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdo757 View Post
    If you look very close at the way the scripture is worded, you will see that it is in regards to the time just before the 1000 year reign of Messiah, and just after.
    Where specifically to you see this taking place before the Millenial Reign? I don't see anything grammatically to suggest this. Plus it is taking the audience relevance away and casting it thousands of years later. What message would that send to Isaiah's audience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    Where specifically to you see this taking place before the Millennial Reign? I don't see anything grammatically to suggest this. Plus it is taking the audience relevance away and casting it thousands of years later. What message would that send to Isaiah's audience?
    The parable of the "Harvest" in Isaiah verse 5 is in regards to the harvest of the world. The resurrection of the Elect. In Zephaniah 3:12 it speaks of the meek and humble being left for the 1000 year reign of the Messiah.

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    Isaiah 18 Bible Commentary.
    ISAIAH Chapter 18
    1. Woe to the land of spinning wings, beyond the rivers of Cush;
    2. That sends ambassadors by sea, in wooden vessels upon the waters. Go quickly you messengers and speak to a tall and smooth skin people, to a nation violent from their beginning onward; a strong and conquering nation, whose land is divided by waters.
    3. All you inhabitants of the world living upon the earth; Look and listen when he lifts up a banner on the mountain, and when he blows the trumpet.
    4. Yahwah said to me, I will remain silent, and I will consider in my dwelling place like a heat wave in the sunlight, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest.
    5. For before the harvest, when the blossom is gone, and the bud is ripening into young grapes, He shall cut off both the sprigs and cut down the branches with pruning hooks and take them away.
    6. They shall be left to the gathering birds of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth; the birds shall summer upon them, and the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them.
    7. In that time a gift shall be brought to Yahwah Almighty, by a tall and smooth skin people, from a nation violent from their beginning onward; a strong and conquering nation, whose land is divided by waters, to a place named for Yahwah Almighty, Mount Zion.


    1. Spinning, buzzing, whirling, twirling and shadowing wings. The point to be made here is that any of these words are acceptable in the translation. The point being that the wings are in motion and that it is being used to help personally identify that nation along with other key points.

    2. Beyond. The N.I.V bible translation (along) instead of (beyond) is in error. The subject nation is across the seas. Zephaniah 3:10 repeats part of Isaiah 18.

    3. Cush or Kush is now days called Ethiopia.

    4. Ambassadors or envoys. This is also key to the identification of that nation that sends ambassadors by sea.

    5. Wooden. The word wooden is used in place of the words bulrushes and papyrus. Strongís bible dictionary attributes bulrushes as (papyrus), a plant used to make a wood pulp to build small boats or make paper. The word wooden is an interpretation and not a translation.

    6. Tall. The King James Bible does not use the word tall in its translation. The word tall is important in the identification of that nation.

    7. Smooth skin. The King James Bible translation is ďscattered and peeledĒ, and the words can be translated that way. However the correct choice is smooth skin. Smooth skin means meek. Itís the opposite of being callus. What is being said is, go to the meek of that nation.

    8. Conquering. The King James in verse two uses the words (meted out) and (trodden down). The word meted means also measure out. It should have used the word tall for the translation. Also the words (trodden down) should have been translated to conquering.

    9. Divided. The King James uses the word (spoiled), who knows why. The word should have been translated (divided). The correct translation of any bible word or verse is very important for correctly understanding what is being said.

    10. And 11.Banner and trumpet. The word is (shofar), a horn. The word trumpet was used as an acceptable translation. Banner, flag or ensign are all acceptable translations.

    The seven branch menorah was designed by Yahwah as a national symbol. It was shown to Moses so it could be made for the sanctuary of earth.

    Psalm 60:4. You have given a banner to them that fear you, that it may be displayed because of the truth. Selah.

    12. Grapes and branches. Both of these words have a symbolic meaning.

    13. Lord. That title is used in place of Gods personal name Yahwah.

    14. Mount Zion. See Hebrews 12:22. and Revelation 14:1. There are also other places in the bible that are related to this subject Mount Zion or Zion.

    This is the interpretation.
    Woe is for the sorrows that will come upon that nation in the last days.
    There are five key points in the identification of that nation. Number one is spinning wings. Number two, they sent ambassadors by sea in wooden vessels. Number three, the people are tall. Number four, they have a violent beginning for that nation and onward. And number five, that nations land is divided by its waters. America is that nation!

    Spinning wings represents air craft for which America is famous for. Sending ambassadors by sea in boats is a historical fact after America became a new nation. American people are among the tallest of the nations. America had a violent beginning and has continued in violence throughout its history, whereas other nations have had long periods of peace. No other place in the world is more divided by its waters than America. America uses its waterways to divide nation from states, states from counties, counties from cities, and cities from towns.

    All of these things that I have said here are a matter of fact and not my opinion. In regards to verse four, were God says He will consider in His dwelling place like a cloud of due in the heat of harvest: This means; by His righteousness he will judge the harvest. In verse five, the words grapes and branches are used symbolically for the people of the world.
    When a person studies the bible they are in a search for clues. Also a person needs to know that some words can be translated differently. Example: Isaiah 18. The king James translates one verse as the people being (scattered and peeled). However the N.I.V translates the same verse as (smooth skin) people. Those Hebrew words can be translated either way. Now a people of a nation can be scattered, but they cannot be peeled. So the next question would be what does smooth skin mean. Thatís easy, because itís a phrase we use this day. Itís the opposite of being callus; it means meek. So therefore the verse is saying go to the meek of a violent nation.

    Now while other nations have had opportunities for long periods of peace, America has not since its beginning. In history it is a known fact that after America became a nation; it sent ambassadors by ships all over the world.
    Also, if a person was to study a map of Americaís borders they would find that no other place in the world is more divided by its water ways. In regards to the terms spinning or shadowing of wings, America was the first to develop aircraft. And America is a nation that is beyond the rivers of Cush; now called Ethiopia.

    Notice here how Zephaniah repeats part of Isaiah 18.
    Zephaniah 3

    9 "Then will I purify the lips of the peoples, that all of them may call on the name of Yahwah and serve him shoulder to shoulder.
    10 From beyond the rivers of Cush my worshipers, my scattered people, will bring me offerings.
    11 On that day you will not be put to shame for all the wrongs you have done to me, because I will remove from this city those who rejoice in their pride. Never again will you be haughty on my holy hill.
    12 But I will leave within you the meek and humble, who trust in the name of Yahwah.

    After I had made my first post on Isaiah 18, and after it was on the internet for some time, Hal Lindsey on TBN spoke on May 02, 2001. Hal stated that he did not believe Isaiah 18 is about America. Although Hal is a good Christian man, he has been wrong in the past.
    ah yes,the mystery nation of Is.18 but why was it a mystery to isaiah....? because it didn't exist in his time...interesting to note he see's it sending ambassadors by sea.(perhaps negotiating a peace agreement of some type....?)....to get a better understanding of this chapter I suggest reading the previous chapter Is.17 where we witness the" burden of damascus"....(the overnight war)...I firmly believe this conflict serves as the trip wire to signing "the peace treaty"....followed by the gog-magog campaign...selah...

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    Re: Isaiah 18 Bible Commentary.

    "Shadowing wings" (KJV) refers to the United States of America (verse 1). The people being described as bringing gifts is China (verse 2). To understand the prophecy requires the actual meaning of the Hebrew words that translators for some reason ignored.

    Overall Theme
    The nations of the world will be cut down (verses 5-6; Revelation 11:18; Habakkuk 2:13). The nation bringing gifts to honor God in verse 7 will be better off than those that don't. (Just because a nation is mentioned in the Bible is not necessarily a good thing. It is often bad.)

    Timing

    The prophecy is of a future far from Isaiah's time, which is why it was sealed and not understood (Isaiah 8:16-17). Some prophecies are only understood as they near their time (Daniel 12:9). Verse 3 clearly mentions a time when all the world will be able to see and or hear an event all at the same time. This is only possible with modern communication systems.

    If the prophecy referred to events during or near Isaiah's time, then it would be an unfulfilled prophecy. All the world is supposed to be aware of a nation bringing gifts to God, and know what Mount Zion represents (verses 3 & 6). This has never happened yet. Explaining this prophecy as something that has already happened is contradicting the prophecy itself. (I have serious problems with the idea of a god who does not fulfill his own prophecies. That just means he won't fulfill his promises. The God of the Bible always keeps His promises.)

    Context/Contrast

    Chapter 18 is contrasted with chapter 19. A distant nation not usually associated with God brings gifts, while Egypt a nation next door to Israel is being punished for not knowing better. Isaiah 19:5 predicts the drying of the Nile, confirming this is a prophecy far from Isaiah's time, and most likely in our time (i.e. climate change; melting glaciers).

    Hebrew Word Meanings

    Since these nations did not yet exist in Isaiah's time, he could only describe them by their long standing character or end state. Thus everything Isaiah mentions should be considered uniquely descriptive, otherwise it would be easily confused with some other nation. An example of this would be the "messengers" in verse 2. Every nation has messengers/ambassadors. How is this nation different? It is different because of the sheer number of ambassadors it sends "over the waters" and not by land.

    (The Hebrew words עַל פְּנֵי in verse 2 mean "on upon" the waters or "over upon." It can be taken to mean sailing on the surface of the water, or being above and over the water. Today, ambassadors rarely travel by sea since there are airplanes. This is why they are "swift." Since they "fly" Isaiah would assume they were "light.")

    There is no way of understanding the prophecy without delving into the actual meaning of the Hebrew words Isaiah used to describe these future nations. You can check the meanings on biblehub.com by using their interlinear translations and definitions. (I encourage you to do so.)

    "shadowing" צִלְצַ֣ל The common denominator in the meanings of this word is "noise." It should be left as "noise" because it is uncertain how Isaiah might be using this word to describe what doesn't exist yet.

    "wings" כְּנָפָ֑יִם The common denominator in the meanings is "extremity." If "wings" is understood, then the noise of wings would be a natural phenomenon, and not a long standing characteristic of the nation being described. (The noise of wings can also change once birds die out or go away.)

    Land of "extreme noise" or "noisy extremes" did not make sense until the modern age of guns, nuclear weapons, jet engines, racing cars and so on. Extreme noise could also describe the character of the people. Americans are the most extroverted and talkative.

    "Ethiopia" This word does not exist in Hebrew, only in the New Testament Greek. The word in Hebrew is כֽוּשׁ "Cush." Cush is first mentioned in Genesis 2:13, where it is surrounded by a river (meaning an island or continent). Its boundaries were always vague, and it is unclear what ancient Israel knew of geography after the flood with the division of the earth (Genesis 10:25).

    "Along the rivers" or "beyond the rivers"? מֵעֵ֖בֶר Since water surrounds Cush, the land of extreme noise cannot be "along" the rivers, otherwise it would surround Cush entirely and be closer to Israel at one point. If it was a river flowing within Cush, the land of extreme noise would be inside Cush. Thus the only meaning has to be "beyond."

    The first verse rephrased: "Woe to the land of noisy extremes beyond the rivers of Cush."

    "That sendeth ambassadors-" The word צִירִ֗ים is not ambassadors (the real ambassador/messenger word occurs later). Most of the time this word is translated as "pain" or "pangs" in the rest of the Bible. Its meaning is of physical or mental pressure. Anguish or anxiety fit well. It becomes pain when it is severe.

    וּבִכְלֵי is translated as "vessels" but the general meaning is "implements" or "instruments."

    גֹמֶא֮ is translated as "bulrushes" meaning papyrus or paper.

    The Septuagint puts the meaning together as "treaties and paper letters." In modern terms: treaties, agreements, contracts, futures, options, derivatives, currency, guarantees, investment certificates, rights, prohibitions, regulations, sanctions, patents, bonds, stocks, and so on. The modern world runs on paper agreements and paper instruments. The land of extreme noise puts out more of these than any other nation. Every dollar is a contract the US government will in theory honor. When these fail, (think sub-prime) there is anguish or pain. Contracts also obligate certain responses, which in unfavorable conditions also means distress.

    "-to a nation scattered and peeled-" Most of the time, מְמֻשָּׁ֣ךְ "scattered" is spelt quite differently elsewhere in the Bible, but in Proverbs 13:12 there is only a one letter difference. "Hope 'deferred' makes the heart sick." The meaning is "drawn out or delayed" not "scattered." A people long repressed, or suppressed fits the Hebrew meaning.

    "-peeled-" וּמוֹרָ֔ט means "obstinate or independent." It is uncertain how the King James translators came up with "peeled."

    The KJV translated נוֹרָ֖א as "terrible." The word actually means to be afraid, to be in awe, or to cause fear/awe. As a long term characteristic, "respect" would seem more appropriate than a people perpetually fearful or always causing fear.

    קוקו is translated as "meted out" but the meaning is "stalwart."

    Verse 2 rephrased: "Go, ye swift messengers, to a nation repressed and independent, to a people respected from their beginning hitherto; a nation stalwart and trampling, whose land the rivers have spoiled."

    The Chinese people have always been led by their governments, and repressed by authoritarian rule. Confucian ideals lead to the self-regulation of behavior (self repression). But the country is also independent, different from all others (no alphabet, a tonal language), self-reliant and self-sufficient. Due to China's natural wealth, numerous people, and for centuries the source of all that flowed on the Silk Road, she has been respected for centuries at a time. China is the oldest continuous civilization on earth (stalwart). Her millions trample the earth just with everyday walking. And China is also a land divided by rivers, and spoiled by rivers when they flood. (The Yellow River is also called "China's Sorrow.")

    Is there another nation that fits the meaning of the Hebrew words so well?

    The prophecy is now clear. From Israel, looking westwards beyond Africa (Cush), the only nation of note is the United States. This is the nation that sends out over the seas endless paper instruments (financial, and political). America sends ambassadors to China, because China has returned to her historical role as the world's factory.

    God has promised America will be cut down before her fruit is ripe (verses 5-6). It is cut down early because it is not being kept (Matthew 13:30). The land of noisy extremes no longer appears in the prophecy. Total destruction or is something left?

    Revelation 13:16-17 describes the antichrist system as one that can stop any one from buying or selling. America is the only nation with the power of economic sanctions, stopping not just individuals but entire nations from buying or selling. Revelation 11:18 tells us God will destroy those who destroy the earth. Man could not destroy the earth until he invented machines. America is the only nation that has used nuclear weapons in war.

    When this "harvest" occurs, God tells the world to watch as a distant people not normally associated with Him bring gifts to Zion (verse 7). This does not mean China escapes the "Woe" that opens the chapter. Nor does it mean China escapes the cutting down in verses 5 and 6. All nations not measuring up to God's standards will be punished (Zechariah 14:17-19). It just means a part of China survives.

    Now it is clear why many English translators do not follow the actual Hebrew. They suspect or know the prophecy is against them.

    I like to think the translators of the KJV were honest (and more pious) and did the best they could with the limited resources they had. Even though they didn't understand the prophecy, they had to write something. They couldn't leave a blank spot in the English Bible! Their hope would be for later translators to fix it or do a better job. To make it obvious, they eschewed their normal consistency, and deliberately chose English words that diverged from the Hebrew to alert later scholars. And they made it so that the English would not quite make sense. They knew their own notes and writings might not be copied or reprinted or handed down. But they knew the Bible would be reprinted and handed down. This was the best way to do it without adding footnotes (which didn't exist at that time) or side notations that would reduce confidence in the Bible or confuse the common reader. Unfortunately, modern translators only stretched those words further.

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    Re: Isaiah 18 Bible Commentary.

    I tend to take most OT prophecies as applicable in the general period of time in which they were given. This may have been a reference to the ancient Ethiopians who were concerned about Assyrian expansion. Clearly, Assyrian expansion affected Israel. Such obscure passages invite all kinds of speculation, but it is for that very reason that I think we should avoid wild interpretations, far removed from the time in which these prophecies were given.

    I do believe that these ancient prophecies were recorded for all time due to their moral applicability to our time, as well. But to assign ancient nations to modern nations, prophetically, is an exercise in futility, in my opinion. The general concept of a nation in covenant with God can apply from Israel in ancient times to Christian nations in modern times. And our enemies would then be much like the Assyrians, in ancient times. This may be the best we can do?

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    Re: Isaiah 18 Bible Commentary.

    Isaiah 18:1 Woe to the land.... which is beyond the rivers of Ethiopia.

    The 'rivers of AEthiopia' is the Atlantic Ocean. As noted on ancient maps. google it for confirmation.
    Isaiah 18:1-7 is a prophecy about the United States of America.

    There is coming; 'woe', from the Lord on His Day of fiery wrath, but then they will recover and bring tribute to the Lord.

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    Re: Isaiah 18 Bible Commentary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    Isaiah 18:1 Woe to the land.... which is beyond the rivers of Ethiopia.

    The 'rivers of AEthiopia' is the Atlantic Ocean. As noted on ancient maps. google it for confirmation.
    Isaiah 18:1-7 is a prophecy about the United States of America.

    There is coming; 'woe', from the Lord on His Day of fiery wrath, but then they will recover and bring tribute to the Lord.
    Isa 18 is *not* a prophecy of the U.S. Not a single word in the prophecy *necessarily* calls attention to the U.S. Indeed, it likely refers to the time much closer to when Isaiah lived.

    Again, the principles contained in this prophecy may apply in all times to God's People. We may learn the lesson, but we may not *insert* the U.S. int a prophecy that does not specifically identify that country. Indeed I don't see how it can?

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    Re: Isaiah 18 Bible Commentary.

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    Isa 18 is *not* a prophecy of the U.S. Not a single word in the prophecy *necessarily* calls attention to the U.S. Indeed, it likely refers to the time much closer to when Isaiah lived.

    Again, the principles contained in this prophecy may apply in all times to God's People. We may learn the lesson, but we may not *insert* the U.S. int a prophecy that does not specifically identify that country. Indeed I don't see how it can?
    Well Randyk; it applies to a people and Isaiah 18 remains to be fulfilled.
    Living in the Pacific Northwest as you do, I understand your objection to applying that prophecy to America. But if it is and you can't deny that possibility, then wouldn't it be better to be aware and to be prepared; mentally and physically?

    From my intensive studies of what the Lord has planned to change this world and commence the end time events, we will have 24 hours to get to high ground and under cover. The Lord has promised protection to all who call upon His Name, but He also tells us the be proactive, Isaiah 26:20-21, we must not be like those who want to escape to heaven and stand with arms upraised; doing bunny hops to get some lift! They will be sorely disappointed and may lose their lives in the tsunamis, earthquakes and the storm of fire sent by the Lord.

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    Re: Isaiah 18 Bible Commentary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    Well Randyk; it applies to a people and Isaiah 18 remains to be fulfilled.
    Living in the Pacific Northwest as you do, I understand your objection to applying that prophecy to America. But if it is and you can't deny that possibility, then wouldn't it be better to be aware and to be prepared; mentally and physically?

    From my intensive studies of what the Lord has planned to change this world and commence the end time events, we will have 24 hours to get to high ground and under cover. The Lord has promised protection to all who call upon His Name, but He also tells us the be proactive, Isaiah 26:20-21, we must not be like those who want to escape to heaven and stand with arms upraised; doing bunny hops to get some lift! They will be sorely disappointed and may lose their lives in the tsunamis, earthquakes and the storm of fire sent by the Lord.
    Brother, I don't at all see the greatest need to be saving our own skins! We're going to die relatively soon anyway, right? I know I don't have that many more years.

    So I have no interest in taking steps to unnecessarily extend my life, nor to avoid all possible catastrophes. I'm not going to defy nature and stand in the way of a major hurricane, but I will live on a major fault line here in the Pacific NT (although I've been considering a move to Florida).

    No, I don't even consider it possible that Isa 18 refers to a future country--certainly not to the U.S., which was not known in Isaiah's day. And Isaiah would not prophesy about something so abstract in his own time.

    Rather, what we have in future prophecy is the depiction of a 4th Kingdom, the Roman Empire, which will in the Last Days break up into 10 major states, consolidated by the Antichrist into an Empire. And this Kingdom will severely persecute Christians, even to the death. The only way to escape that is to live outside of Europe, I believe. And I do have relatives in Europe.

    My purpose is to encourage people to get saved, get strong, and try to get others saved. The purpose is to live righteous lives and please the Lord. Period.

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