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    So many of these threads turn into a confrontation....

    ... I really do not believe that is to be the case.

    If I love my brothers and sisters, my concern for them ought to be my motive...
    ...not 'being right' (as though we could, for who has anything they did not receive?) 1Cor.

    One thing we all should agree on is that 'No man knows the hour of the day'. Any who would teach that the Lord's return is a 'get out of difficulty' card is simply teaching something not found in scripture.

    I hope we can agree that we ought to be spiritually prepared for what ever comes.

    'IF' we in the west do not face the persecution that most of our brothers and sisters around the world face, then GREAT! However, if we do (as I read in scripture) have a coming time where we need to be spiritually prepared and be found with oil in our lamps.. then let's do be ready.

    The below expression of this concern by Corrie Ten Boom is a good expression of my own concerns I have for my brothers and sisters who may not believe there is a need to be ready for a time of testing.

    From http://libertytothecaptives.net/ten_boom.html


    Letter by Corrie Ten Boom in 1974
    The world is deathly ill. It is dying. The Great Physician has already signed the death certificate. Yet there is still a great work for Christians to do. They are to be streams of living water, channels of mercy to those who are still in the world. It is possible for them to do this because they are overcomers.

    Christians are ambassadors for Christ. They are representatives from Heaven to this dying world. And because of our presence here, things will change.

    My sister, Betsy, and I were in the Nazi concentration camp at Ravensbruck because we committed the crime of loving Jews. Seven hundred of us from Holland, France, Russia, Poland and Belgium were herded into a room built for two hundred. As far as I knew, Betsy and I were the only two representatives of Heaven in that room.

    We may have been the Lord’s only representatives in that place of hatred, yet because of our presence there, things changed. Jesus said, “In the world you shall have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” We too, are to be overcomers—bringing the light of Jesus into a world filled with darkness and hate.

    Sometimes I get frightened as I read the Bible, and as I look in this world and see all of the tribulation and persecution promised by the Bible coming true. Now I can tell you, though, if you too are afraid, that I have just read the last pages. I can now come to shouting “Hallelujah! Hallelujah!” for I have found where it is written that Jesus said, “He that overcometh shall inherit all things: and I will be His God, and he shall be My son.” This is the future and hope of this world. Not that the world will survive – but that we shall be overcomers in the midst of a dying world.

    Betsy and I, in the concentration camp, prayed that God would heal Betsy who was so weak and sick. “Yes, the Lord will heal me,”, Betsy said with confidence. She died the next day and I could not understand it. They laid her thin body on the concrete floor along with all the other corpses of the women who died that day.

    It was hard for me to understand, to believe that God had a purpose for all that. Yet because of Betsy’s death, today I am traveling all over the world telling people about Jesus.

    There are some among us teaching there will be no tribulation, that the Christians will be able to escape all this. These are the false teachers that Jesus was warning us to expect in the latter days. Most of them have little knowledge of what is already going on across the world. I have been in countries where the saints are already suffering terrible persecution. In China, the Christians were told, “Don’t worry, before the tribulation comes you will be translated – raptured.” Then came a terrible persecution. Millions of Christians were tortured to death. Later I heard a Bishop from China say, sadly, “We have failed. We should have made the people strong for persecution rather than telling them Jesus would come first. Tell the people how to be strong in times of persecution, how to stand when the tribulation comes – to stand and not faint.”

    I feel I have a divine mandate to go and tell the people of this world that it is possible to be strong in the Lord Jesus Christ. We are in training for the tribulation, but more than sixty percent of the Body of Christ across the world has already entered into the tribulation. There is no way to escape it. We are next.

    Since I have already gone through prison for Jesus’ sake, and since I met the Bishop in China, now every time I read a good Bible text I think, “Hey, I can use that in the time of tribulation.” Then I write it down and learn it by heart.

    When I was in the concentration camp, a camp where only twenty percent of the women came out alive, we tried to cheer each other up by saying, “Nothing could be any worse than today.” But we would find the next day was even worse. During this time a Bible verse that I had committed to memory gave me great hope and joy. “If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you; on their part evil is spoken of, but on your part He is glorified.” (I Peter 3:14) I found myself saying, “Hallelujah! Because I am suffering, Jesus is glorified!”

    In America, the churches sing, “Let the congregation escape tribulation”, but in China and Africa the tribulation has already arrived. This last year alone more than two hundred thousand Christians were martyred in Africa. Now things like that never get into the newspapers because they cause bad political relations. But I know. I have been there. We need to think about that when we sit down in our nice houses with our nice clothes to eat our steak dinners. Many, many members of the Body of Christ are being tortured to death at this very moment, yet we continue right on as though we are all going to escape the tribulation.

    Several years ago I was in Africa in a nation where a new government had come into power. The first night I was there some of the Christians were commanded to come to the police station to register. When they arrived they were arrested and that same night they were executed. The next day the same thing happened with other Christians. The third day it was the same. All the Christians in the district were being systematically murdered.

    The fourth day I was to speak in a little church. The people came, but they were filled with fear and tension. All during the service they were looking at each other, their eyes asking, “Will this one I am sitting beside be the next one killed? Will I be the next one?”

    The room was hot and stuffy with insects that came through the screenless windows and swirled around the naked bulbs over the bare wooden benches. I told them a story out of my childhood.

    “When I was a little girl, “ I said, “I went to my father and said, “Daddy, I am afraid that I will never be strong enough to be a marty for Jesus Christ.” “Tell me,” said Father, “When you take a train trip to Amsterdam, when do I give you the money for the ticket? Three weeks before?” “No, Daddy, you give me the money for the ticket just before we get on the train.” “That is right,” my father said, “and so it is with God’s strength. Our Father in Heaven knows when you will need the strength to be a martyr for Jesus Christ. He will supply all you need—just in time…”

    My African friends were nodding and smiling. Suddenly a spirit of joy descended upon that church and the people began singing, “ In the sweet, by and by, we shall meet on that beautiful shore.” Later that week, half the congregation of that church was executed. I heard later that the other half was killed some months ago.

    But I must tell you something. I was so happy that the Lord used me to encourage these people, for unlike many of their leaders, I had the word of God. I had been to the Bible and discovered that Jesus said He had not only overcome the world, but to all those who remained faithful to the end, He would give a crown of life.

    How can we get ready for the persecution? First we need to feed on the word of God, digest it, make it a part of our being. This will mean disciplined Bible study each day as we not only memorize long passages of scripture, but put the principles to work in our lives.

    Next we need to develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Not just the Jesus of yesterday, the Jesus of History, but the life-changing Jesus of today who is still alive and sitting at the right hand of God.

    We must be filled with the Holy Spirit. This is no optional command of the Bible, it is absolutely necessary. Those earthly disciples could never have stood up under the persecution of the Jews and Romans had they not waited for Pentecost. Each of us needs our own personal Pentecost, the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We will never be able to stand in the tribulation without it.

    In the coming persecution we must be ready to help each other and encourage each other. But we must not wait until the tribulation comes before starting. The fruit of the Spirit should be the dominant force of every Christian’s life.

    Many are fearful of the coming tribulation, they want to run. I, too, and a little bit afraid when I think that after all my eighty years, including the horrible nazi concentration camp, that I might have to go through the tribulation also. But then I read the Bible and I am glad.

    When I am weak, then I shall be strong, the Bible says. Betsy and I were prisoners for the Lord; we were so weak, but we got power because the Holy Spirit was on us. That mighty inner strengthening of the Holy Spirit helped us through. No, you will not be strong in yourself when the tribulation comes. Rather, you will be strong in the power of Him who will not forsake you. For seventy-six years I have known the Lord Jesus and not once has He ever left me, or let me down. Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him, for I know that to all who overcome, He shall give the crown of life. Hallelujah!

    —Corrie Ten Boom-1974

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    Re: “Let the congregation escape tribulation” In the churches America ....

    I think that this post contains a lot of wisdom.

    We do not know the day or the hour of Christ's return, or of whatever events will happen about that time.

    What is essential, though, whether we know it or not, is that we focus our energy and our life on living for Christ, and -- as Corrie Ten Boom rightly reminds us -- letting our lives reflect God's love and goodness and glory.

    I think that the number one element in that, often, is making sure we talk to one another in love and humility. It is very hard to speak and act or even think with love and humility. But we can practice, and also strengthen Christ's kingdom, it seems to me, if we are careful not to bash others, but to conduct discussions of differences in a loving and respectful way -- even if those with whom we disagree are (we think) dead wrong.

    I believe that Amos_with_goats is calling our attention to that important point!!

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    Re: “Let the congregation escape tribulation” In the churches America ....

    Hi Amos!

    As I was reading this post, the Lord brought this passage of scripture to my remembrance:

    Hag 1:1 In the second year of Darius the king, on the first day of the sixth month, the word of the LORD came by the prophet Haggai to Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, governor of Judah, and to Joshua the son of Jehozadak, the high priest, saying,
    Hag 1:2 "Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'This people says, "The time has not come, even the time for the house of the LORD to be rebuilt."'"
    Hag 1:3 Then the word of the LORD came by Haggai the prophet, saying,
    Hag 1:4 "Is it time for you yourselves to dwell in your paneled houses while this house lies desolate?"
    Hag 1:5 Now therefore, thus says the LORD of hosts, "Consider your ways!
    Hag 1:6 "You have sown much, but harvest little; you eat, but there is not enough to be satisfied; you drink, but there is not enough to become drunk; you put on clothing, but no one is warm enough; and he who earns, earns wages to put into a purse with holes."
    Hag 1:7 Thus says the LORD of hosts, "Consider your ways!
    Hag 1:8 "Go up to the mountains, bring wood and rebuild the temple, that I may be pleased with it and be glorified," says the LORD.
    Hag 1:9 "You look for much, but behold, it comes to little; when you bring it home, I blow it away. Why?" declares the LORD of hosts, "Because of My house which lies desolate, while each of you runs to his own house.
    Hag 1:10 "Therefore, because of you the sky has withheld its dew and the earth has withheld its produce.
    Hag 1:11 "I called for a drought on the land, on the mountains, on the grain, on the new wine, on the oil, on what the ground produces, on men, on cattle, and on all the labor of your hands."
    Hag 1:12 Then Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and Joshua the son of Jehozadak, the high priest, with all the remnant of the people, obeyed the voice of the LORD their God and the words of Haggai the prophet, as the LORD their God had sent him. And the people showed reverence for the LORD.
    Hag 1:13 Then Haggai, the messenger of the LORD, spoke by the commission of the LORD to the people saying, " 'I am with you,' declares the LORD."
    Hag 1:14 So the LORD stirred up the spirit of Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, governor of Judah, and the spirit of Joshua the son of Jehozadak, the high priest, and the spirit of all the remnant of the people; and they came and worked on the house of the LORD of hosts, their God,
    Hag 1:15 on the twenty-fourth day of the sixth month in the second year of Darius the king.

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    Re: “Let the congregation escape tribulation” In the churches America ....

    Last falll 2009, God sents an angel left a gray bag leaned against the wall outside near my apt. I has no idea what's that? I rather not touch it, cuz, that bag is not mine, someone forget leave it there. I said myself, hope soneone find it and take away. But, the next 3 days, the bag was still right there near my apt door. I was puzzled myself, why the bag was right there near my apt door. On the fourth day, I notice the bag lied on the floor, I guess, it was fell down caused by the windy. So, I lift it up lean against the wall. Hope someone find it and take away. But, the next day, I notice the bag lied on the floor again. I was puzzled. I was curious and wonder, what's inside the bag. So, I picked up and take items out of the bag. Guess what? Tent poles!! I realized that God shows me that He wants me to getting all things be ready to flee hide in the wilderness before the persecution hits America. I did took the bag to the camping store. I did asked the employee, what's that. He told me, it is use for set up a tent. I knew I was right about it.

    It was long story to telling you, what's going on.

    I agree with late Corrie ten Boom, she warned that America is the last country to face persecution.

    Therefore, we must be prepare for coming persecution. There is no promise for a rosebed for us. We have to face and suffering, because Christ suffered for us, therefore, we should follow His example.

    I fear that, lot of Christians who are looking for rapture first, and not being prepared for coming persecutions. When the persecution hits Christians in America, it will SHAKE their faith so hard. I am serious, no kidding. Many will be killed, even, it would be possible for them to be deceived or willing to accept the mark according Matt 24:24. They would be so panic for it.

    That why, I have alway be prepared and be ready for it all the times, even also His coming too.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amos_with_goats View Post
    So many of these threads turn into a confrontation....

    ... I really do not believe that is to be the case.

    If I love my brothers and sisters, my concern for them ought to be my motive...
    ...not 'being right' (as though we could, for who has anything they did not receive?) 1Cor.

    One thing we all should agree on is that 'No man knows the hour of the day'. Any who would teach that the Lord's return is a 'get out of difficulty' card is simply teaching something not found in scripture.

    I hope we can agree that we ought to be spiritually prepared for what ever comes.

    'IF' we in the west do not face the persecution that most of our brothers and sisters around the world face, then GREAT! However, if we do (as I read in scripture) have a coming time where we need to be spiritually prepared and be found with oil in our lamps.. then let's do be ready.

    The below expression of this concern by Corrie Ten Boom is a good expression of my own concerns I have for my brothers and sisters who may not believe there is a need to be ready for a time of testing.

    From http://libertytothecaptives.net/ten_boom.html




    Also take a look at this for a discussion with references.

    *FWIW, The Hiding Place is no longer online, and is not an active discussion forum.
    Hey you need to fix your quote..for some reason the heading on the letter is nearly invisible..I had to highlight it to read: Letter by Corrie Ten Boom in 1974

    I know Corrie went through literally hell here on earth but I am afraid I still disagree with her conclusions in this letter. I read it some time ago. I also realize she didn't have access to historical information like we do now and that is why she came to the ideas she did.

    DeafPosttrib

    Re: “Let the congregation escape tribulation” In the churches America ....
    Last falll 2009, God sents an angel left a gray bag leaned against the wall outside near my apt. I has no idea what's that? I rather not touch it, cuz, that bag is not mine, someone forget leave it there.
    First you say an angel left it then say someone (human being) forgot it.

    I am still frightened to death for you that you are planning what you are because I care about you. You are correct...a human being simply forgot it...nothing more. And I keep praying you will stop making these dangerous plans putting your life in others hands like you are and that God will make it clear this wasn't from Him in the first place. Image if we all found something left behind by someone else and thought God was telling us something! That kind of thing is just not in the bible at all...

    Continuing to pray for you.
    "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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    Re: “Let the congregation escape tribulation” In the churches America ....

    Quote Originally Posted by moonglow View Post

    First you say an angel left it then say someone (human being) forgot it.

    I am still frightened to death for you that you are planning what you are because I care about you. You are correct...a human being simply forgot it...nothing more. And I keep praying you will stop making these dangerous plans putting your life in others hands like you are and that God will make it clear this wasn't from Him in the first place. Image if we all found something left behind by someone else and thought God was telling us something! That kind of thing is just not in the bible at all...

    Continuing to pray for you.
    Yea, I wonder about that. I tend to think things happen for a reason. But I'd have to ask, if God is telling you to buy a tent, then why isn't God telling every other Christian to buy a tent and flee into the wilderness? Maybe God was telling someone else to quit worrying about their tent.

    Christ suffered for us, therefore, we should follow His example.
    And what is His example? Fleeing from persecution and hiding in the wilderness?

    When the world is plunged into darkness, we have the light. Let it shine brightly.
    In Christ,

    -- Rev

    “To preserve the government we must also preserve morals. Morality rests on religion; if you destroy the foundation, the superstructure must fall. When the public mind becomes vitiated and corrupt, laws are a nullity and constitutions are waste paper.” – Daniel Webster, 4th of July, 1800, Oration at Hanover, N.H.

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