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    Quote Originally Posted by Paccls View Post
    My understanding is that sin cannot be forgiven except one repent. God has issued His law regarding one who transgresses His marriage law.

    Rom 7:2-3
    2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.
    3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.
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    I believe there is much to be considered before remarrying.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChangedByHim View Post
    So should one divorce again and go back to the original spouse? Does committing the sin of adultery again rectify the matter?

    When Jesus gave living water to the woman at the well, He didn't say "If you remarry your first of five husbands, I will give you living water." Did He?
    Exactly how does one divorce when God never joined together in the first place? When one is "bound by the law" is it even possible for man to "unbind" himself alone without God, Matt 19:6? That which man calls a legal divorce, does God always acknowledge as His "unbinding" of His law? I don't believe so.
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    Scriptures are very clear on divorce.

    Jesus said, it's only allowed if a partner is unfaithful

    Paul said, a man shouldn't divorce his wife (and viceversa). Unbelieving spouses will be "santified" by their spouses. Re-marriage will only be allowed in case of death of either partner.

    My dad was a christian man, and i guess he put his own interpretation to these scriptures.. He wound up marrying a christian woman (with two kids (my mom is not christian) with full support of most his christian friends & pastors. He didn't last two years in that marriage, he died of HBP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paccls View Post
    Exactly how does one divorce when God never joined together in the first place? When one is "bound by the law" is it even possible for man to "unbind" himself alone without God, Matt 19:6? That which man calls a legal divorce, does God always acknowledge as His "unbinding" of His law? I don't believe so.
    Well you didn't answer my question...

    Quote Originally Posted by Paccls View Post
    Exactly how does one divorce when God never joined together in the first place? When one is "bound by the law" is it even possible for man to "unbind" himself alone without God, Matt 19:6? That which man calls a legal divorce, does God always acknowledge as His "unbinding" of His law? I don't believe so.
    Well you didn't answer my question...
    Some people don't mind contradicting themselves as long as they can keep disagreeing with you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChangedByHim View Post
    When Jesus gave living water to the woman at the well, He didn't say "If you remarry your first of five husbands, I will give you living water." Did He?
    John 4:16 Jesus saith to her: Go, call thy husband, and come hither. [17] The woman answered, and said: I have no husband. Jesus said to her: Thou hast said well, I have no husband: [18] For thou hast had five husbands: and he whom thou now hast, is not thy husband. This thou hast said truly.

    Not sure how to take that. There was no word for "adulterous lover" so I guess Jesus was using "husband" in a very generic sense. Unless He is meaning that she had five husbands and they are all dead and now she is just living with some guy.

    Anyways, the word translated in Matthew as "adultery" also carries the meaning familiar to Jews of the unlawful marriages spoken about in Leviticus. Christians have always understood that verse to mean that there was some defect at the time the marriage was covenanted which made it null and void.

    I ask the person who began this thread to pray upon this and ask God to reveal to them if some defect did in fact exist when the marriage was covenanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChangedByHim View Post
    So should one divorce again and go back to the original spouse? Does committing the sin of adultery again rectify the matter?
    -This kind of reminds me of the question posed to Jesus by the Saducees? It does take the text to an illogical conclusion.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChangedByHim View Post
    When Jesus gave living water to the woman at the well, He didn't say "If you remarry your first of five husbands, I will give you living water." Did He?
    -Of course not, she was not a a saved believer, but the words of Jesus did transform her life, but the fact is that there really is no reason for 2 Christians to get divorced, even the disciples gasped at our Master's words on this subject. Jesus's words that Moses allowed divorce because of the hardness of the peoples hearts is very clear, Moses could have called in the army and enforced the lifetime nature of marriage-and not allowed for divorce, but in order to have respect for the Law Moses allowed for divorce, in the same fashion disrespect for the law would happen if a person got their license pulled for excessive speeding trying to save a life. So this is not a free ticket to get divorced, and 2 Christians should always be open to reconciliation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karaite View Post
    -This kind of reminds me of the question posed to Jesus by the Saducees? It does take the text to an illogical conclusion.

    -Of course not, she was not a a saved believer, but the words of Jesus did transform her life, but the fact is that there really is no reason for 2 Christians to get divorced, even the disciples gasped at our Master's words on this subject. Jesus's words that Moses allowed divorce because of the hardness of the peoples hearts is very clear, Moses could have called in the army and enforced the lifetime nature of marriage-and not allowed for divorce, but in order to have respect for the Law Moses allowed for divorce, in the same fashion disrespect for the law would happen if a person got their license pulled for excessive speeding trying to save a life. So this is not a free ticket to get divorced, and 2 Christians should always be open to reconciliation
    Unfortunately, when "two Christians" agree to divorce, I suspect that at least one of them does not really call Jesus Lord.
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    God does not recognize divorce except in the case of adultery or an unbelieving spouse leaving a believing spouse on account of the faith of the believing spouse. If you and/or your new special someone got divorced for any reason other than those two reasons then to re-marry would be sinning as you (and she) would then be guilty of the sin of adultery.

    Yes, we are under grace. But we are still called to obedience and God's grace is not a license to sin. Listen to your special someone on this, she is right.

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    Just wondering where Jesus says it is fine to divorce for adultery?

    Just wondering where Jesus says it is fine to divorce for adultery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karaite View Post
    Just wondering where Jesus says it is fine to divorce for adultery?

    Just wondering where Jesus says it is fine to divorce for adultery?
    I'm pretty sure He never said it was "fine." He said it was permissible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karaite View Post
    Just wondering where Jesus says it is fine to divorce for adultery?

    Just wondering where Jesus says it is fine to divorce for adultery?
    I'm pretty sure He never said it was "fine." He said it was permissible.
    Some people don't mind contradicting themselves as long as they can keep disagreeing with you...

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    Where does he say it is perrmissable?

    Where does he say it is perrmissable?

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    Karaite, Jesus mentions it in Matthew 5:31,32. Verse 32 says, "But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." Jesus gives the exception of sexual immorality here and also restates it in chapter 19 verse 9.

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    Matthew 5:31-32 that you are quoting has to do with sexual impurity (man with man, woman with woman, animal with woman, man with animal). This is a sin and the partner doesn't want to be contaminated with the others sin.

    Now in my understanding of Jewish law a "get" is required for a divorce. The man is the one who initiates the divorce. A man cannot commit premeditated marriage, by divorcing his wife so he can marry another. Now if a man leaves his wife and does not give her a "get" he then is responsible for her commiting adultery. Men did not want to give a "get" because then he had to give her monies (like we call it alimony). A woman whose husband goes off to war may give his wife a "get" in the event he is killed in battle and never returns home and there is no proof of death.

    Once a woman is given a "get" she is now considered single just as the man is and is free to marry whomever she wishes. Even if a woman initiates the divorce (get) it is the man who agree's to it. A woman cannot be divorced without the mans approval. So therefore a woman is divorced and single, free to marry whomever she wishes.

    Now if a man and woman get a divorce (get) they can remarry one another. If the man marries another woman and then divorces her, he can still remarry his first wife. But if a woman marries another man, and they become divorced she can no longer marry her first husband.

    So in your girlfriends case she is free to marry you according to biblical law.

    Matthew 5:31-32 that you are quoting has to do with sexual impurity (man with man, woman with woman, animal with woman, man with animal). This is a sin and the partner doesn't want to be contaminated with the others sin.

    Now in my understanding of Jewish law a "get" is required for a divorce. The man is the one who initiates the divorce. A man cannot commit premeditated marriage, by divorcing his wife so he can marry another. Now if a man leaves his wife and does not give her a "get" he then is responsible for her commiting adultery. Men did not want to give a "get" because then he had to give her monies (like we call it alimony). A woman whose husband goes off to war may give his wife a "get" in the event he is killed in battle and never returns home and there is no proof of death.

    Once a woman is given a "get" she is now considered single just as the man is and is free to marry whomever she wishes. Even if a woman initiates the divorce (get) it is the man who agree's to it. A woman cannot be divorced without the mans approval. So therefore a woman is divorced and single, free to marry whomever she wishes.

    Now if a man and woman get a divorce (get) they can remarry one another. If the man marries another woman and then divorces her, he can still remarry his first wife. But if a woman marries another man, and they become divorced she can no longer marry her first husband.

    So in your girlfriends case she is free to marry you according to biblical law.
    "Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother!"

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    This thread gets deeper and deeper....

    This thread gets deeper and deeper....
    Some people don't mind contradicting themselves as long as they can keep disagreeing with you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbs31Woman View Post
    Karaite, Jesus mentions it in Matthew 5:31,32. Verse 32 says, "But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." Jesus gives the exception of sexual immorality here and also restates it in chapter 19 verse 9.
    What is sexual immorality, some use it to say premarital sex or incest etc.,it is a broad word. Notice Jesus uses the term sexual immorality(porneia) and then "adultery" later in the verse. Two different words.
    Now go to the passage where Jesus states that Moses did not allow for divorce-there was the prohibited relationships/marriages in deuteronomy(incest,marrying a daughter of incest or a non jew etc.,) and these were cases for divorce-this is what I believe Jesus was talking about and why the disciples were horrified and proclaimed "why get married then"
    The question posed to jesus was by 2 different camps-one that was very loose with divorce, and one that only allowed it in cases like adultery. Jesus chose neither side-and this caused an uproar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbs31Woman View Post
    Karaite, Jesus mentions it in Matthew 5:31,32. Verse 32 says, "But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." Jesus gives the exception of sexual immorality here and also restates it in chapter 19 verse 9.
    What is sexual immorality, some use it to say premarital sex, adultery etc.,it is a broad word. Notice Jesus uses the exact term "adultery" later in the verse. Two different words.
    Now go to the passage where Jesus states that Moses did not allow for divorce-there was the prohibited relationships/marriages in deuteronomy. These were cases for divorce-this is what I believe Jesus was talking about and why the disciples were horrified and proclaimed "why get married then"
    The question posed to jesus was by 2 different camps-one that was very loose with divorce, and one that only allowed it in cases like adultery. Jesus chose neither side-and this caused an uproar.

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    DancedwithDolphin, it seems to me that you are doing quite a bit of gymnastics with Matthew 5:31-32. First of all, the last time I checked adultery is considered "sexual immorality". Second, Jesus flat out says that "everyone who diverces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery..." Everyone.

    What you must remember about this passage is that it is part of the sermon on the mount, a sermon that Jesus was giving as basically a indictment and correction of what the Pharasees had done to the law. Notice that Jesus starts out by saying, "it was also said, 'whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.'" The Pharisees had stretched the law to be that if a man wanted a divorce (for any reason) he had to give her a certificate. They had turned it into strictly a paperwork matter (as John MacArthur puts it). As long as they gave the woman a certificate of divorce they were good. Jesus disagreed with their interpretation of the law. Notice the very next verse He starts it with a "but", "BUT I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery..." In other words, Jesus is saying, "I know that the Pharisees have told you that you are free to divorce your wives as long as you fill out the proper paper work but the law actually says that divorce is only okay if there is sexual immorality. If you divorce for any reason other than sexual immorality then you make your wife an adulteress and if you married a divorced woman then you are an adulterer.

    Scripture is quite clear that if a couple get divorced they cannot remarry another person or they commit the sin of adultery. The only exception is if the divorce happened because of adultery, then the innocent party is free to marry without being considered an adulterer/adulteress.

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