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    Weeping and Gnashing of Teeth

    Those who weep and gnash their teeth when they see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of heaven, but are themselves thrust out (Lk 13:28; Matt 8:11-12), I believe correlates with the resurrection in DN 12:2, following the great tribulation when a blessing is bestowed on the saints on day 1,335 (DN 12:12).

    While the individuals thrust out in Lk 13:28; Matt 8:11-12 represent the children of the kingdom (the Jews); additionally, those who are thrust outside include, dogs, sorcerers, immoral persons, idolaters, and every one who loves and practices falsehood (Rev 22:15), representing billions of people throughout the world.

    The weeping and gnashing of teeth means these people continue on the earth in human form following the Great Tribulation along with the Lords people.

    What seems to be indicated by being thrust out is a separation occurring between Gods Spirit and Satan.

    Another event appearing to describe this seperation is Revelation 12:10 where the devil is cast down to earth and is no longer able to bring up accusations against the elect, thereby indicating Satan's influence over the saints coming to a close following the Great Tribulation period.

    The outer darkness the rest of the world experiences would seem to represent a continuance of socioeconomic systems throughout the world that are outside of Gods guidance after the big split.

    As many of the worlds systems today appear to be falling apart due to all sorts of injustices; when Gods illumination is removed from some nations, it may then be realized how things will only get worse, thereby accounting for much of the weeping and gnashing of teeth within those nations.

    I'd like to hear from anyone who thinks they may have a better explanation meeting the criteria for these events.
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    If you are talking about the ending of Matthew 24,Yeshua is talking about the false leaders who claim to be followers of his,not the Jews.

    The Jews in that statement are the hypocrites.

    Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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    Re: Weeping and Gnashing of Teeth

    Quote Originally Posted by theeldersofgod View Post
    If you are talking about the ending of Matthew 24,Yeshua is talking about the false leaders who claim to be followers of his,not the Jews.

    The Jews in that statement are the hypocrites.

    Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
    I think both references to hypocrites you mention falls into one or more of the categories described in Revelation 22:15
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    Re: Weeping and Gnashing of Teeth

    Hello luigi,
    Before I begin I would like to state that your assessment is quite good.

    Quote Originally Posted by luigi View Post
    While the individuals thrust out in Lk 13:28; Matt 8:11-12 represent the children of the kingdom (the Jews); additionally, those who are thrust outside include, dogs, sorcerers, immoral persons, idolaters, and every one who loves and practices falsehood (Rev 22:15), representing billions of people throughout the world.
    The weeping and gnashing of teeth means these people continue on the earth in human form following the Great Tribulation along with the Lords people.
    My take on the “weeping and gnashing of teeth” revolves around the function of the New Jerusalem and when it descends to earth as described in Revelation 21-22. But before addressing the New Jerusalem it is necessary to recap the events revolving around the world at the time of Christ’s advent.

    First, the prophetic scriptures state that Christ (during His millennial rule) is going to “rule with a rod of iron” (Revelation 19:15). The question is: Who is Christ going to “rule with a rod of iron?” Certainly not resurrected believers because believers are going to rule with Christ (Revelation 2:27). So the ones being ruled during the millennium are identified in (Zechariah 14:12-21).

    Secondly, the vials of wrath will have been poured out onto the planet, decimating it (kind of like, but much worse, Mad Max post apocalyptic). Ezekiel 47 provides a vivid description of what the world will be like at that time.
    1. This decimation starts at Christ’s advent but will continue throughout the millennium (Ezekiel 47:11).
    2. Life will only exist along the River of Life described in (Ezekiel 47:1-12).

    So, if the world has been totally decimated by the vials of wrath, that would mean that Christ and His believers would also be participants in this hellhole. Unless there is some sort of sanctuary from the effects of the vials. Which brings me to the New Jerusalem.

    It is commonly believed that the New Jerusalem descends at the end of the millennium. By John stated that “outside” the New Jerusalem we would be, as you stated: those who are thrust outside include, dogs, sorcerers, immoral persons, idolaters, and every one who loves and practices falsehood (Rev 22:15), But all of these people would have been cast into the lake-of-fire at millenniums end (Revelation 20:12-15). And since they are still around at that time, then it can be assumed that the New Jerusalem is on the earth during the Millennial reign.

    So, here is the scenario.
    1. The Vials of wrath are poured out onto the world.
    2. Christ comes with the New Jerusalem and descends onto the earth over the Jerusalem area.
    3. Inside will be the Christ and the believers (Revelation 21:24-27, Revelation 22:14).
    4. All unbelievers (Zechariah 14:12-21) that are within the New Jerusalem when it descends will be gathered up and cast to the “outside” (Revelation 21:27 Revelation 22:15) where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
    5. Then, at millenniums end, Satan is released from bondage and deceives those on the “outside” of the New Jerusalem in a futile attach on the city (Revelation 20:7-9).
    6. The Great White Throne judgement.

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    Re: Weeping and Gnashing of Teeth

    In all matters scriptural the trick is to see who the person is who is being addressed. In the case of the weeping and gnashing of teeth all three parties of men on earth today are being addressed.
    1. Jews who rejected Messiah (Matt.8:12; Lk.13:28)
    2. Slothful Christians (Matt.22:13, 24:51)
    3. Members of the nations who are either (1) counterfeit Christians (tares), or (2) evil in works (Matt.13:42, 50)

    In both cases of God's chosen people, that is, Jew or Christian, the listener is either a genuine Jew or a genuine Christian.

    The "weeping and gnashing of teeth" must pertain to, and begin with, the second coming of Christ, for in each case it is either the "end of the age" or when the Master "comes". Thus, the "weeping and gnashing of teeth" is during the Millennial reign of Christ for the Jew and the Christian, and "forever" for those of the nations (Matt.25:32, 46).

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    Re: Weeping and Gnashing of Teeth

    Quote Originally Posted by theeldersofgod View Post
    If you are talking about the ending of Matthew 24,Yeshua is talking about the false leaders who claim to be followers of his,not the Jews.

    The Jews in that statement are the hypocrites.

    Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
    We see here the common view God has with both Jews and Christians that make up the household of God. As Christians we have been grafted into Israel through regeneration by the Spirit. As such we are now identified with Israel. All of the people of God whether born naturally into this or supernaturally...are seen as the servants of God. This is an important distinction to be made in all prophetic writings that refer to the servants of God.

    Christians do not have MORE favour on them than the Jews. God is impartial in that regard.

    If the natural born heirs of Abraham were not spared because of unbelief then neither will we.
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