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    Tribulation, Great Tribulation, and the Wrath of God

    Explain the difference between these three; tribulation, Great Tribulation, and the wrath of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seeker_truth View Post
    Explain the difference between these three; tribulation, Great Tribulation, and the wrath of God.
    All believers are told they will face tribulation.
    Great Tribulation though refers specifically to a time which is shortened and is when the church faces severe persecution.
    The wrath of God however is God's anger poured out against those who take the mark of the beast, and thus be the people persecuting His church during the time of the GT.

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    Hey seeker, I roughly agree with FHG on this. Tribulation is any type of persecution we endure for the gospel, just as John writes here:

    Revelation 1:9 I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    John was in tribulation by being confined to an island prison because of preaching the word. This sort of thing happens to this day around the world.

    As to the Great Tribulation, I am assuming you are referring to the Olivet Discourse, or maybe Revelation 7? It is an intense period of persecution in the last days before Jesus returns to rule and reign in Jerusalem. There are many different opinions, but I will share mine. It seems that many people think Revelation is written as a warning for what is coming against the church in the last days. However, nearly all of Revelation is a repeat from the Old Testament. Although, it is virtually impossible to put the pieces of the puzzle together from the OT alone. The seals refer to the rise of Gog and his first demise just after the labor pains hit Israel. (See Ezekiel 38) The Trumpets are blown to scatter Israel. There are four kings that do the scattering. An Assyrian is first, followed by a Babylonian. The fourth is the one who sets up the abomination of desolation in the temple. The 7th Trumpet is when Jesus returns and sets a wall of fire around Israel and gathers the elect, thus cutting the days short. Then Gog is cast out of the grave, the 8th king, and proceeds resume his fornication, the mark of the beast, etc. Then is destroyed at the 7th bowl of wrath. (Ezekiel 39) Lastly, the bowls of wrath are the 7 last plagues which God himself pours out on those who hate Him. From the 4th seal until the 7th bowl of wrath is the Great Tribulation. Nearly all of it is directed at Israel first, then it all turns on the enemies of God. Hope that helps.

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    Re: Tribulation, Great Tribulation, and the Wrath of God

    1) Tribulation is basically persecution that believers suffer for the advancement of the gospel; and it spans all ages of humanity. It will grow more severe in scope prior to Jesus' return from Heaven. It is a term often misued to denote a mystical 7-year period spanning Revelation; that the scriptures do not themselves denote.
    2) Great Tribulation is a likewise, mis-identified as being a specific endtime period within Revelation. However, it too, is being misused. Saying that believers come out of Great Tribulation, does not codify a specific time period. It could have said 'strong tribulation' or 'severe tribulation'. It is simply an adjective being applied to the term tribulation, denoting a unspecific time of more severe persecution of believers than normal.
    3) Wrath is an action that God takes against the wicked only. God never targets His wrath upon His believers.

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    The reality of propitiation would also indicated that God, on the cross, poured out his wrath on Jesus, who knowing no sin, became sin for us.

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    Re: Tribulation, Great Tribulation, and the Wrath of God

    Quote Originally Posted by seeker_truth View Post
    Explain the difference between these three; tribulation, Great Tribulation, and the wrath of God.
    The Great Tribulation is specific to the bowl judgments they are the wrath of God of the end times..

    If we broke it down it would look like this.......

    1260 days = Tribulation = 7 trumpets
    75 days = Great Tribulation = 7 vials = wrath of God

    Though of course general tribulations occur daily and the wrath of God occurs frequently..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    The Great Tribulation is specific to the bowl judgments they are the wrath of God of the end times..

    If we broke it down it would look like this.......

    1260 days = Tribulation = 7 trumpets
    75 days = Great Tribulation = 7 vials = wrath of God

    Though of course general tribulations occur daily and the wrath of God occurs frequently..
    . Not quite....Spirit-filled born-again dyed-in-the-wool Messianics do not come out of the wrath of God....they do come out of Great Tribulation...so there is a bit of a difference...think of it like this the first 4 trumps are tribulation, while the last three trumpets, also referred to as three woes are Great Tribulation except for the seventh trumpet which is the wrath of God...there is a difference between the seventh trumpet and the last trumpet, two different trumpets...all seven bowls are the wrath of God...sorry I'm so short with my answers but I haven't got much time..

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    Quote Originally Posted by seeker_truth View Post
    tribulation,
    General hardship and persecution.

    Great Tribulation
    A certain very bad time of hardship and persecution when the 7 headed beast and Fp rule the world just prior to Christ's return.


    and the wrath of God.
    When God harms wicked people typically for harming Christians. This happens at various times but the most notable will be against the wicked that were part of the great Tribulation against the church.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    Re: Tribulation, Great Tribulation, and the Wrath of God

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    General hardship and persecution.



    A certain very bad time of hardship and persecution when the 7 headed beast and Fp rule the world just prior to Christ's return.




    When God harms wicked people typically for harming Christians. This happens at various times but the most notable will be against the wicked that were part of the great Tribulation against the church.
    Try not to be so general, people are looking for specifics..

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    Quote Originally Posted by seeker_truth View Post
    Try not to be so general, people are looking for specifics..
    lol, I was specific on the only two that can be specific. The first one can be at anytime at any level for any reason.

    How is "A certain very bad time of hardship and persecution" and "the most notable will be" at all general?
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    Re: Tribulation, Great Tribulation, and the Wrath of God

    Quote Originally Posted by seeker_truth View Post
    . Not quite....Spirit-filled born-again dyed-in-the-wool Messianics do not come out of the wrath of God....they do come out of Great Tribulation...so there is a bit of a difference...think of it like this the first 4 trumps are tribulation, while the last three trumpets, also referred to as three woes are Great Tribulation except for the seventh trumpet which is the wrath of God...there is a difference between the seventh trumpet and the last trumpet, two different trumpets...all seven bowls are the wrath of God...sorry I'm so short with my answers but I haven't got much time..
    Correct born again do not suffer wrath of god....they do not make it that far for they are killed off prior to the great trib from war during the 1260

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Correct born again do not suffer wrath of god....they do not make it that far for they are killed off prior to the great trib from war during the 1260
    The two witnesses, Rev.11:3-14, go through the second woe, the 6th trump, all part of Great Tribulation..The first four trumpets are tribulation, the last three trumpets are Great Tribulation, also referred to as the 3 woes.. All believers are gone from this world before the seventh trumpet is blown, and before the third woe begins..

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    Quote Originally Posted by seeker_truth View Post
    The two witnesses, Rev.11:3-14, go through the second woe, the 6th trump, all part of Great Tribulation..The first four trumpets are tribulation, the last three trumpets are Great Tribulation, also referred to as the 3 woes.. All believers are gone from this world before the seventh trumpet is blown, and before the third woe begins..
    Actually the 7th trump will sound, Christ will return and then the rapture happens so believers are in the world after the 7th trump sounds but not for long and even then they are only off world for a short time because they follow Christ as he descends to the Earth.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    Actually the 7th trump will sound, Christ will return and then the rapture happens so believers are in the world after the 7th trump sounds but not for long and even then they are only off world for a short time because they follow Christ as he descends to the Earth.
    . The 7th Trump is a judgement, however there is a last Trump, the trump of God, it is not a judgement but calls the saved home; first the Resurrected, then we who are alive and remain are gone in the twinkling of an eye..it happens almost simultaneously..the last Trump of God comes before the seventh trumpet of judgement

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    Re: Tribulation, Great Tribulation, and the Wrath of God

    Quote Originally Posted by seeker_truth View Post
    . The 7th Trump is a judgement, however there is a last Trump, the trump of God, it is not a judgement but calls the saved home;
    The last trump is the 7th trump.


    the last Trump of God comes before the seventh trumpet of judgement
    It does not.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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