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    Daniel 9 & Revelation 12

    Quick recap: Daniel 9:24-27 is a futurist prophecy related to the antichrist in that he is the 'anointed one' fulfilling prophecy. Did a thread on this a while back and got no reaction whatsoever.... Hopefully, this new info tying it to the star sign of Rev 12 will start solidifying this point of view for people.

    24 “Seventy '7's are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy.
    25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the call to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a ruler, there shall be seven '7's. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.
    Compare the KJV, which describes the building of the 'wall' (which should ring a bell with US readers)
    25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

    26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

    27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”


    Verse 25's 'call to restore and build Jerusalem' is none other than the action celebrated in the Israeli national holiday 'Jerusalem Day', commemorating June 7, 1967 (28 Iyyar, 5727)

    the 7 '7's are 49 years, the 62 'weeks' are literal weeks.
    Add 49 years to June 7, 1967 / 28 Iyyar, 5727 to get to dusk June 4, 2016 (28 Iyyar, 5776) or June 7, 2016.
    3 items of interest happened on June 7, 2016
    Netanyahu meets with Putin.
    Israel's chief rabbi called for the creation of the 3rd Temple on TV
    Trump became the official Republican candidate for US president.
    (Putin = modern day Cyrus/ Trump = modern day Zerubabbel puppet governor, both tasked with rebuilding the new temple)

    After 62 weeks, one of these 3 (4?) will be 'cut off' (on the Hebrew calendar, dusk Aug 12, 2017 or the solar calendar, Aug 15, 2017). This is the
    'mortal head wound' event referred to in Revelation 13:3. If the assassination 'hype' is to be believed, this person will be Trump.

    At the end of 69 weeks, this same person will confirm the Mosaic covenant (read every 7 years) - from the dusk June 4, 2016 end of 49 years (God's calendar) add 69 weeks to get to Yom Kippur, Sept 30, 2017, when the Mosaic covenant is read. https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dat...aw=69&ad=&rec=

    Now let's switch gears back to the star sign of Rev 12:1-2
    And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
    2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
    that's this event on Sept 23, 2017



    let's go to Acts 1 now

    Acts 1
    In the first book, O Theophilus, I have dealt with all that Jesus began to do and teach, 2 until the day when he was taken up, after he had given commands through the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom he had chosen. 3 He presented himself alive to them after his suffering by many proofs, appearing to them during forty days and speaking about the kingdom of God.

    4 And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me; 5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

    6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” 9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight.

    Revelation 12
    And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. 3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. 5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.

    In the 1st passage, Jesus has just died and resurrected, then stays around for 40 days, then ascends into heaven.

    In the 2nd passage, the sign appears (Sept 23, 2017) and the child is caught up to God/ 'ascends into heaven'.

    So, what happens 40 days prior to Sept. 23, 2017 (3 Tishri 5777)? 40 days prior to this is... August 15, 2017 (23 Av 5777)
    Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the call to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a ruler, there shall be seven '7's. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.
    26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall
    destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

    The 'call to restore Jerusalem' is commemorated as 'Jerusalem Day', the origin of which is June 7, 1967 (28 Iyyar 5727). The 7 '7's are 49 years. The 62 weeks are literally 62 weeks.
    49 Hebrew calendar years takes us to dusk June 4, 2016 (28 Iyyar 5776)
    49 solar years gives us June 7, 2016. After 62 weeks, the anointed one is 'cut off'. For the solar calendar, the end of 62 weeks from June 7, 2016 is August 15, 2017.
    For the Hebrew calendar, the implication is that the anointed one is killed ('cut off') 62 weeks later on dusk Aug. 12, 2017. 3 days dead then resurrected would then take us to Aug 15, 2017 again.

    So, right here we have the 'anointed one' (antichrist) cut off (and resurrected) 40 days before the star sign occurring Sept. 23, 2017.

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    The 70 weeks are about Jesus, His birth, and His ministry. All 70 have been fulfilled exactly as written.

    As for the 7th trumpet and Revelation 12, how do explain the context of the book? The 1260 days of the 2W come in the 6th trumpet first. The abyss is opened in the 5th trumpet before that. Each 'woe' is specifically said to end before the next one starts. There isn't even close to enough time to force these things in before this fall. Also, don't forget the 6th seal, its a big one.

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    I am aware of the sign i think its awesome and i'm looking forward to it. I'm very excited for this Years Feast of Trumpets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blur1 View Post

    Verse 25's 'call to restore and build Jerusalem' is none other than the action celebrated in the Israeli national holiday 'Jerusalem Day', commemorating June 7, 1967 (28 Iyyar, 5727)

    Daniel was writing to those in the prophesied 70 year Babylonian exile.
    After the 70 years ....a decreed would be issued to restore and rebuild Jerusalem...and it was. Then began a countdown of 69 weeks until Messiah to atone for sin...and it was. A prince would come and destroy Jerusalem and the sanctuary....and it was so.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    For the Hebrew calendar, the implication is that the anointed one is killed ('cut off') 62 weeks later on dusk Aug. 12, 2017. 3 days dead then resurrected would then take us to Aug 15, 2017 again.

    So, right here we have the 'anointed one' (antichrist) cut off (and resurrected) 40 days before the star sign occurring Sept. 23, 2017.
    So you give the antichrist or satan the same power as Jesus to concur death?

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    1. Daniel 9:24 is a prophecy that determines all six ages starting from that of the flesh up to that the Son of God in Heaven who is the Most Holy:

      1. to finish the transgression
      2. to put an end to sin
      3. to atone for iniquity
      4. to bring in everlasting righteousness
      5. to seal both vision and prophet
      6. to anoint a most holy.

      Jesus came to the earth (for #1) and, after death on the Cross (For #2), ascended to accomplish all others up to becoming the Most Holy (#6) in Heaven. As was determined for Him, so is it also determined for us to accomplish.

      He did not accomplish the determination in 70 literal weeks.
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    2. Daniel 9:25-27 is an altogether different prophecy about restoring Jerusalem and building her wall.


    Both have nothing to do with literal count of Jewish or Gregorian calendar periods of time.

    How is the AC the "anointed one" while, by His name - Antichrist, he is against the anointing? Christ means "Anointed One".
    Grace and peace unto you from God the Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ!

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    So you give the antichrist or satan the same power as Jesus to concur death?
    I am not giving Satan that power. It is God that throws him out of the grave in Isaiah 14. Lucifer is just the king of Babylon not some supernatural character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony P View Post
    The 70 weeks are about Jesus, His birth, and His ministry. All 70 have been fulfilled exactly as written.

    As for the 7th trumpet and Revelation 12, how do explain the context of the book? The 1260 days of the 2W come in the 6th trumpet first. The abyss is opened in the 5th trumpet before that. Each 'woe' is specifically said to end before the next one starts. There isn't even close to enough time to force these things in before this fall. Also, don't forget the 6th seal, its a big one.
    The 70 weeks are about Jesus. But the antichrist has to fulfill prophecy so that Jews will accept him.

    Rev 12 jumps back to a deliberately ambiguous time prior to the woman giving birth. (Satan is standing there waiting for her to give birth ). The star sign of rev 12 is the sign of the son of man in Matt 24 that occurs after the great tribulation of the 5th seal. After that (which seems to be when Iran breaks the nuclear treaty in the middle of the seven (may 5, 2017 1260 days after November 24, 2013. This is 10 Iyar then add five months to get to 10 Tishri when the mosaic covenant is read every 7 years, a decoy 5th trumpet. The seals and trumpets will be confused depending on what Jewish messiah they choose - the antichrist will preside over his temple being trampled in the 1st half of the 7 years.

    The 42 months for the beast from the sea in rev13 actually starts right here at august 15, 2017 and goes through January 7, 2021. This is when the first four trumpets occur. These 4 trumpets are the Matt 24 'immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun, moon are darkened stars fall, and powers of heaven are shaken. Then the sign of the son of man occurs ( for the 2nd time) with the 'boom star' that is set to occur in 2021 or 2022 in the constellation Cygnus aka the northern cross. Add 5 months for the 5 trumpet to January 7, 2021 to get to June 3, 2021 to start the 2nd woe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blur1 View Post
    The 70 weeks are about Jesus. But the antichrist has to fulfill prophecy so that Jews will accept him.

    Rev 12 jumps back to a deliberately ambiguous time prior to the woman giving birth. (Satan is standing there waiting for her to give birth ). The star sign of rev 12 is the sign of the son of man in Matt 24 that occurs after the great tribulation of the 5th seal. After that (which seems to be when Iran breaks the nuclear treaty in the middle of the seven (may 5, 2017 1260 days after November 24, 2013. This is 10 Iyar then add five months to get to 10 Tishri when the mosaic covenant is read every 7 years, a decoy 5th trumpet. The seals and trumpets will be confused depending on what Jewish messiah they choose - the antichrist will preside over his temple being trampled in the 1st half of the 7 years.

    The 42 months for the beast from the sea in rev13 actually starts right here at august 15, 2017 and goes through January 7, 2021. This is when the first four trumpets occur. These 4 trumpets are the Matt 24 'immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun, moon are darkened stars fall, and powers of heaven are shaken. Then the sign of the son of man occurs ( for the 2nd time) with the 'boom star' that is set to occur in 2021 or 2022 in the constellation Cygnus aka the northern cross. Add 5 months for the 5 trumpet to January 7, 2021 to get to June 3, 2021 to start the 2nd woe.
    I'm aware of the Boom star too brother as are the Jewish people (the already believe its a sign for Messiah), your doing great work, the only problem is you brought Daniel 9 into this and that's a hot button Issue i haven't even seen people address your Rev 12 stuff yet. But the fact that it occurs on the feast of trumpets mean's that it will CLearly be seen in Israel Just as God intended since this is day they are specifically told to look for the moon

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    Here's the link on the 2nd sign of the son of man. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2...ight-sky-2022/

    They are not sure when it will come exactly. Could be a year earlier. Messianic Jews are using this star in their assessment of prophecy also. But we have to contend with the false prophet aka Apollyon also in the 2nd half / 2nd woe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blur1 View Post
    The 70 weeks are about Jesus. But the antichrist has to fulfill prophecy so that Jews will accept him.

    Rev 12 jumps back to a deliberately ambiguous time prior to the woman giving birth. (Satan is standing there waiting for her to give birth ). The star sign of rev 12 is the sign of the son of man in Matt 24 that occurs after the great tribulation of the 5th seal. After that (which seems to be when Iran breaks the nuclear treaty in the middle of the seven (may 5, 2017 1260 days after November 24, 2013. This is 10 Iyar then add five months to get to 10 Tishri when the mosaic covenant is read every 7 years, a decoy 5th trumpet. The seals and trumpets will be confused depending on what Jewish messiah they choose - the antichrist will preside over his temple being trampled in the 1st half of the 7 years.

    The 42 months for the beast from the sea in rev13 actually starts right here at august 15, 2017 and goes through January 7, 2021. This is when the first four trumpets occur. These 4 trumpets are the Matt 24 'immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun, moon are darkened stars fall, and powers of heaven are shaken. Then the sign of the son of man occurs ( for the 2nd time) with the 'boom star' that is set to occur in 2021 or 2022 in the constellation Cygnus aka the northern cross. Add 5 months for the 5 trumpet to January 7, 2021 to get to June 3, 2021 to start the 2nd woe.
    I do appreciate your work here. I just don't think rearranging the chronology of Revelation is going to work. It actually makes perfect sense exactly as it is laid out. But, that means undoing many long held and errant beliefs about the end. For one, the beast is not the AC. Two, there is no 7 year covenant to break. Jesus confirmed the covenant. Three, there is no 7 year trib period. It lasts an entire Jubilee. Daniel 9 has been thoroughly abused.

    Besides, all of these dates come before the earliest possible time in Hosea 6:2. A full 2000 years must elapse first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony P View Post
    I do appreciate your work here. I just don't think rearranging the chronology of Revelation is going to work. It actually makes perfect sense exactly as it is laid out. But, that means undoing many long held and errant beliefs about the end. For one, the beast is not the AC. Two, there is no 7 year covenant to break. Jesus confirmed the covenant. Three, there is no 7 year trib period. It lasts an entire Jubilee. Daniel 9 has been thoroughly abused.

    Besides, all of these dates come before the earliest possible time in Hosea 6:2. A full 2000 years must elapse first.
    I am merely going by the evidence, not my personal preference of how to interpret the material, which is a difficult task.
    1) In Daniel 7, 'beast' means a king or a kingdom. So, 'antichrist' can mean 'beast' and a kingdom can be a beast, but a king is not a kingdom.
    2) the 7 year covenant is the Mosaic covenant. You can say it isn't there all you want, but it is. The Mosaic covenant is called 'the song of Moses'

    Deut 31
    9 Then Moses wrote this law and gave it to the priests, the sons of Levi, who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and to all the elders of Israel. 10 And Moses commanded them, “At the end of every seven years, at the set time in the year of release, at the Feast of Booths, 11 when all Israel comes to appear before the Lord your God at the place that he will choose, you shall read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

    12 Assemble the people, men, women, and little ones, and the sojourner within your towns, that they may hear and learn to fear the Lord your God, and be careful to do all the words of this law, 13 and that their children, who have not known it, may hear and learn to fear the Lord your God, as long as you live in the land that you are going over the Jordan to possess.”
    [...]
    16 And the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, you are about to lie down with your fathers. Then this people will rise and whore after the foreign gods among them in the land that they are entering, and they will forsake me and break my covenant that I have made with them. 17 Then my anger will be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them and hide my face from them, and they will be devoured. And many evils and troubles will come upon them, so that they will say in that day, ‘Have not these evils come upon us because our God is not among us?’ 18 And I will surely hide my face in that day because of all the evil that they have done, because they have turned to other gods.

    19 “Now therefore write this song and teach it to the people of Israel. Put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the people of Israel. 20 For when I have brought them into the land flowing with milk and honey, which I swore to give to their fathers, and they have eaten and are full and grown fat, they will turn to other gods and serve them, and despise me and break my covenant. 21 And when many evils and troubles have come upon them, this song shall confront them as a witness (for it will live unforgotten in the mouths of their offspring). For I know what they are inclined to do even today, before I have brought them into the land that I swore to give.” 22 So Moses wrote this song the same day and taught it to the people of Israel.
    That song of Moses is right here in Rev 15
    2 And I saw what appeared to be a sea of glass mingled with fire—and also those who had conquered the beast and its image and the number of its name, standing beside the sea of glass with harps of God in their hands. 3 And they sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying,

    “Great and amazing are your deeds,
    O Lord God the Almighty!
    Just and true are your ways,
    O King of the nations![a]
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    Who will not fear, O Lord,
    and glorify your name?
    For you alone are holy.
    All nations will come
    and worship you,
    for your righteous acts have been revealed.”
    It is also referenced in Daniel 9
    11 All Israel has transgressed your law and turned aside, refusing to obey your voice. And the curse and oath that are written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out upon us, because we have sinned against him. 12 He has confirmed his words, which he spoke against us and against our rulers who ruled us,[a] by bringing upon us a great calamity. For under the whole heaven there has not been done anything like what has been done against Jerusalem.

    13 As it is written in the Law of Moses, all this calamity has come upon us; yet we have not entreated the favor of the Lord our God, turning from our iniquities and gaining insight by your truth. 14 Therefore the Lord has kept ready the calamity and has brought it upon us, for the Lord our God is righteous in all the works that he has done, and we have not obeyed his voice.

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    I'm currently working out a more simple and concise point by point post, but I thought I would put the prototype up here 1st. This post lays out the entire structure of Revelation in dates, with nothing made up. All scriptural and very simple. So simple a child can understand it and it would take about 5-10 minutes to see the entire thing. And it is all based upon seeing Daniel 9 in its futurist sense.

    So, previously, I left off at June 3, 2021 (23 Sivan, 5781). June 3, 2021 is the last day of the 5 months of the 5th Trumpet. Here is the meaning of Daniel 12's 1290 days:
    11 And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days.
    The explanation is so simple, I'm a little mad no one has ever pointed this out: the obvious end date for the abomination of desolation to be set up is 15 Kislev. the 10 days of tribulation (Rev 2:10) is a reference to Maccebees and the 10 days between when the idol of Zeus was set up on 15 Kislev and 10 days later when they sacrificed to the idol in the temple on 25 Kislev.

    23 Sivan is the historical date when King Jeroboam set up roadblocks to prevent pilgrimage to Jerusalem:
    http://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/...-Jerusalem.htm

    After King Solomon's passing in 797 BCE, ten of the twelve tribes of Israel, led by Jeroboam ben Nebat of the tribe of Ephraim, rebelled against Solomon's son and heir, Rehoboam. The Holy Land split into two kingdoms: the "Kingdom of Israel" in the north, with Jeroboam as its king and the city of Samaria as its capital; and the southern "Kingdom of Judah" with its capital Jerusalem, where Rehoboam ruled over the two tribes (Judah and Benjamin) that remained loyal to the royal house of David.

    The spiritual center of the land, however, remained Jerusalem, where the Holy Temple built by Solomon stood, and where every Jew was obligated to make a thrice-yearly pilgrimage for the festivals of Passover, Shavuot and Sukkot. Seeing this as a threat to his sovereignty, Jeroboam set up, on Sivan 23 of that year, roadblocks to prevent the people's pilgrimage to Jerusalem, introducing instead the worship of two idols, in the form of gold calves, which he enshrined on the northern and southern boundaries of his realm.

    23 Sivan, the sacrifices are cut off (prevented by the roadblock to Jerusalem) then 1290 days later (1290 days/ afternoons, not calendar days: the 'days' here are 'yom' H3117 which means both 'calendar days' and 'afternoons/ days') is 15 Kislev, the historical day of the temple idol desecration.

    June 3, 2021 (23 Sivan 5781) the sacrifices are cut off, then there are 1290 afternoons/ days starting at June 4, 2021 to get to 15 Kislev which occurs at dusk Dec. 15, 2024. https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dur...2=12&i2=0&s2=0

    the 1260 days of the 2 witnesses (2nd woe) start on July 4, 2021. I've written about this important date before: this breaks the Declaration of Independence / covenant in the middle of the '7', the middle of 70 '7's. 490 divided by 2 = 245 years. July 4, 1776 + 245 years = July 4, 2021.

    During the 10 days of tribulation (Dec. 15, 2024 through Dec 25, 2024) is the occurrence of Matt 24's winter sabbath great tribulation. The winter solstice, Dec. 21, 2024 is on a Saturday. During this time is when the 2 witnesses are lying dead and people are giving gifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blur1 View Post
    I am merely going by the evidence, not my personal preference of how to interpret the material, which is a difficult task.
    1) In Daniel 7, 'beast' means a king or a kingdom. So, 'antichrist' can mean 'beast' and a kingdom can be a beast, but a king is not a kingdom.
    Fair analysis. A beast can also be a beast, not a man. The beast ascend out of the abyss. Prior to this we are told of all the locusts and their wild description in Rev 9. These aren't humans. The beast who rises from the very same abyss isn't human either. The beast is the beast. See Job 41, especially the last verse.

    2) the 7 year covenant is the Mosaic covenant. You can say it isn't there all you want, but it is. The Mosaic covenant is called 'the song of Moses'
    God made several covenants. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Moses, and then with David. Why do you think "the covenant" in Daniel 9 can only refer to the one with Moses. Besides, Paul explains very well that Jesus confirmed the covenant.

    Galatians 3:15 Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. 16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blur1 View Post
    I'm currently working out a more simple and concise point by point post, but I thought I would put the prototype up here 1st. This post lays out the entire structure of Revelation in dates, with nothing made up. All scriptural and very simple. So simple a child can understand it and it would take about 5-10 minutes to see the entire thing. And it is all based upon seeing Daniel 9 in its futurist sense.
    I think you are doing fine work. I applaud it.

    As for the futurist view of Daniel 9, let me ask a question. The three woes in Revelation. What are they? Do you agree with this:

    8:13 And I looked, and I heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, “Woe, woe, woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels who are about to sound!”

    The 5th trumpet. A minimum of 5 months of torment.

    9:12 One woe is past. Behold, still two more woes are coming after these things.

    The 6th trumpet includes the 200 million army, etc. Also, the 2W and their 1263.5 days. Even if all these things overlap, there is a minimum of 1263.5 days for this woe.

    9:14 The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly.

    The 7th trumpet. Jesus is given the kingdoms. Also...

    12:12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

    The third woe lasts a minimum of 1260 days. The time of the dragon and the beast.

    Each woe is specifically stated to end prior to the next on beginning. Add them up and you have 7.5 years. This includes zero time between events. Zero time for the first 4 trumpets. Zero time for any seals. Zero time for the 200 million army, etc. Zero time for the rest of the book of Revelation. The 7 year trib deal does not stand. The three woes alone exceed 7 years by themselves. Why do you think Jesus said, "This generation will not pass away before all these things take place?" The second watch is much longer than 7 years.

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