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    You seem not to know what 'occult' means. It simply means 'hidden'.

    Any tenet of Christianity which cannot be described in writing, in such a way that a person of average intelligence who is a fluent speaker of the language the explanation has been written in can comprehend it, on the grounds that some additional activity or revelation is required, is by its nature occult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidYoung View Post
    You seem not to know what 'occult' means. It simply means 'hidden'.

    Any tenet of Christianity which cannot be described in writing, in such a way that a person of average intelligence who is a fluent speaker of the language the explanation has been written in can comprehend it, on the grounds that some additional activity or revelation is required, is by its nature occult.
    I know what it means. What you don't realize is that there are NO tacit tenets of Christianity. Why do you parrot what your trainer says? Does it comfort you?

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    Learn some manners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidYoung View Post
    Learn some manners.
    Time is short. Time to pick a side. Judgment is coming. I don't have time to babysit. Go back to your college and get a refund. Read the Bible to find the truth or don't. The choice to know is yours. Time for silly debates about genealogies and trivia is over.

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    ‘Rather, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him.” But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.…’

    There is no “occult” for Christians. Unbelievers have an issue with that, so they project their paradigms on believersn with logic statements. Believers aren’t confined to their paradigms, and that drives them crazy.

    It’s like a blind person demanding that a person with sight choose their favorite color: Black or white?
    Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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    Saying that God has revealed something to you by the Spirit, unless it is something which is equally visible and understandable to someone who does not have this 'Spirit', is an occult assertion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidYoung View Post
    There are two versions of Christianity: intellectual and occult. Which one are you?
    There aren't two "versions" of Christianity at all. There is one faith that those who are born again adhere and even give their lives to and guess what? It runs on faith and those who have faith yearn and strive for a closer relationship with Him every day.

    You can study, learn and memorize until the cows come home but if you don't have faith and a personal relationship with God you've done nothing but waste your time. You can know everything there is to know about Scripture and doctrine but if you don't know Him then your knowledge is worthless.

    Study and learning is very important but we must never forget that we don't worship Scripture, theology and doctrine we worship Him and we do so fueled by faith. I point this out because Faith is the most important part of it yet you never mentioned it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidYoung View Post
    There are two versions of Christianity: intellectual and occult. Which one are you?
    There aren't two "versions" of Christianity at all. There is one faith that those who are born again adhere and even give their lives to and guess what? It runs on faith and those who have faith yearn and strive for a closer relationship with Him every day.

    You can study, learn and memorize until the cows come home but if you don't have faith and a personal relationship with God you've done nothing but waste your time. You can know everything there is to know about Scripture and doctrine but if you don't know Him then your knowledge is worthless.

    Study and learning is very important but we must never forget that we don't worship Scripture, theology and doctrine we worship Him and we do so fueled by faith. I point this out because Faith is the most important part of it yet you never mentioned it.

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    So yours is the occult version.

    Who here belongs to the intellectual version?

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    There is no "occult version."
    There is no "intellectual version."

    There is only one faith and it's glaringly obvious you don't have a clue what's it's really about. Instead of posturing and trying your little games why not try to discern what Christianity actually is and who God is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidYoung View Post
    Saying that God has revealed something to you by the Spirit, unless it is something which is equally visible and understandable to someone who does not have this 'Spirit', is an occult assertion.
    Perhaps by the definition you use, sure, God has hidden things from certain people, this is baked into the cake tho, it need not have such a negative connotation as your proposing here as I see it. [ asserting that Christianity is “occultic” ]
    “A” cannot be “A” & not “A” at the same time.



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    There is more than one version of Christianity.

    There are plenty of Christians who believe that anything and everything that Christianity teaches can be understood by a person who is not a Christian and without any supposedly supernatural assistance. They may regard some parts of their faith as obscure, but that is different from occult as a mere explanation is deemed sufficient to make it clear. This is intellectual Christianity.

    Every faith which asserts that something it teaches has been hidden is by its very nature occult. It becomes 'a cult' if someone has to join it in order to have a chance of discovering what is hidden. Not surprisingly, these faiths have a strong tendency towards anti-intellectualism.

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    You can keep repeating that all you wish but it won't make you right.

    Plenty of people claim Christ and Christianity with their lips but they aren't Christians any more than you are. Faith and love are paramount and since you lack faith you lack true love of God or yourself.
    And because of that you cannot understand Christianity and what it really is. Because of that all of your games here will fail just as they've failed the countless others who joined with the purpose of mocking the faith and causing strife.

    You can keep repeating that all you wish but it won't make you right.

    Plenty of people claim Christ and Christianity with their lips but they aren't Christians any more than you are. Faith and love are paramount and since you lack faith you lack true love of God or yourself.
    And because of that you cannot understand Christianity and what it really is. Because of that all of your games here will fail just as they've failed the countless others who joined with the purpose of mocking the faith and causing strife.
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    You have presented a textbook example of an occult response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidYoung View Post
    There is more than one version of Christianity.
    Yes, I would loosely agree there are a few “versions “ ( denominations?) of Christianity, but only one true version ( essentials ?) of it. There are a few cults as well that have tagged along ( like mormons and JW’s ) but what is your point? If Christianity is true, this is to be expected.

    There are plenty of Christians who believe that anything and everything that Christianity teaches can be understood by a person who is not a Christian and without any supposedly supernatural assistance.
    Sure, lots of people think all kinds of things, this does not make it true tho. Without the supernatural element to Christianity, one has a counterfeit version, as, this is the whole point.


    They may regard some parts of their faith as obscure, but that is different from occult as a mere explanation is deemed sufficient to make it clear. This is intellectual Christianity.
    Purely “intellectual Christianity” ( all head and no heart ) is dead Christianity. Again, this is the whole point and is baked into the paradigm.

    Every faith which asserts that something it teaches has been hidden is by its very nature occult.
    Ok, so what. What’s your point ?

    It becomes 'a cult' if someone has to join it in order to have a chance of discovering what is hidden. Not surprisingly, these faiths have a strong tendency towards anti-intellectualism.
    Says who? You? Why should I believe your truth claim here?

    Sounds like you have a anti-supernatural bias?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidYoung View Post
    There is more than one version of Christianity.
    Yes, I would loosely agree there are a few “versions “ ( denominations?) of Christianity, but only one true version ( essentials ?) of it. There are a few cults as well that have tagged along ( like mormons and JW’s ) but what is your point? If Christianity is true, this is to be expected.

    There are plenty of Christians who believe that anything and everything that Christianity teaches can be understood by a person who is not a Christian and without any supposedly supernatural assistance.
    Sure, lots of people think all kinds of things, this does not make it true tho. Without the supernatural element to Christianity, one has a counterfeit version, as, this is the whole point.


    They may regard some parts of their faith as obscure, but that is different from occult as a mere explanation is deemed sufficient to make it clear. This is intellectual Christianity.
    Purely “intellectual Christianity” ( all head and no heart ) is dead Christianity. Again, this is the whole point and is baked into the paradigm.

    Every faith which asserts that something it teaches has been hidden is by its very nature occult.
    Ok, so what. What’s your point ?

    It becomes 'a cult' if someone has to join it in order to have a chance of discovering what is hidden. Not surprisingly, these faiths have a strong tendency towards anti-intellectualism.
    Says who? You? Why should I believe your truth claim here?

    Sounds like you have a anti-supernatural bias?
    “A” cannot be “A” & not “A” at the same time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidYoung View Post
    You have presented a textbook example of an occult response.
    Ephesians 2:8-9
    8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

    Hebrews 11:6
    6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

    1 Peter 1:8-9
    “Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls”

    Faith has two components, rational, cerebral Belief and Trust. Or - in other words - intellectual Assent and Trust. The assent is believing that something is true and the trust is relying on that truth.
    A chair is often used to demonstrate how this works. You recognize that a chair is in fact a chair and is designed to support a person that sits on it. The trust comes from actually sitting in the chair.

    The Scriptures, both OT and NT, show that faith is part and parcel of worshiping and serving God. In fact, Scripture teaches us that without faith

    1. We cannot please God. It is impossible
    2. We cannot be saved/born again
    3. We cannot live the life He wishes us to or even be a Christian

    So...occult response? No. Occult stems directly from Satan in the form of pagan practices steeped in divination, sorcery and witchcraft. My response is a biblically one that stems from the word of God itself.
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