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    Trump dumps Iran nuclear deal

    Says he will ratchet up sanctions to the maximum that existed before the deal was signed.

    As prerequisites to re negotiating a deal with Iran, he expects:

    -Iran to cease any nuclear activity
    -Iran to stop supporting terrorism
    -Iran to stop all work on ballistic missiles
    -Iran to stop supporting unrest in countries like Yemen

    and some other stuff I think.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

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    Re: Trump dumps Iran nuclear deal

    If NK is any indication, then President Trump knows how to deal with crazy leaders. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out. At least he understands the dangers of allowing Iran to continue as they have been.
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    Israel is calling up reserves for air defense and also intel. Possibly even unrelated to this announcement, since they believe Iran has been planning a missile attack against Israel from Syria or Lebanon.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

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    Re: Trump dumps Iran nuclear deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Says he will ratchet up sanctions to the maximum that existed before the deal was signed.

    As prerequisites to re negotiating a deal with Iran, he expects:

    -Iran to cease any nuclear activity
    -Iran to stop supporting terrorism
    -Iran to stop all work on ballistic missiles
    -Iran to stop supporting unrest in countries like Yemen

    and some other stuff I think.
    Good job! The deal should never have been signed in the first place.

    One question though; do you think sanctions will work without joint cooperation with Europe?
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    Re: Trump dumps Iran nuclear deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberseeker View Post
    One question though; do you think sanctions will work without joint cooperation with Europe?
    Better question: Does Iran honor the deal after today? If not, does Europe pretend that they are and continue to do business with them?
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

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    I rather doubt that they will honour it either way.

    Here's an even better question. Is that 'MOAB' bomb you fellas got in your toy box big enough to blow the lid off Iran's underground complex?
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    Re: Trump dumps Iran nuclear deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Better question: Does Iran honor the deal after today? If not, does Europe pretend that they are and continue to do business with them?
    Iran released a statement. It was interesting. They talked about harder times ahead but hoped to have it worked out in a few months. Makes me think they will either find a partner with Europe or maybe a me culpa is at hand. They also talked about any country would be crazy to make a deal with the US. Given that most think they are cheating, not sure how well that will play over the long hall.

    One advantage Trump has going for him is the rest of the world thinks he's crazy. He's crazy like a fox!
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    I especially like Greg Gutfeld’s perspective:

    “Kerry's Legacy 'Unraveling Faster Than a Mummy on a Merry-Go-Round'”
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    I know some will groan when they read this but think about it:

    He's doing the same thing Reagan did with his "Peace Through Strength" approach. And people in America and around the world are reacting the same way. When he started out Reagan's advisers, a whole lot of elected officials and other world leaders etc thought he was nuts and would end up starting WWIII.

    After he was done everybody thought he was a great leader not just for America but for the world. It's not like Trump is trying something new here it's more like he remembers the old axiom "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

    Bill Clinton, George Bush Jr and Obama ignored history and mostly went the Nevil Chamberlain route when it came to Russia, China, North Korea, Iran etc etc. Look where that got us.

    Trump is obviously going the peace through strength route and so far it's been working not just in matters like this but with trade and defense as well.
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    Re: Trump dumps Iran nuclear deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    Iran released a statement. It was interesting. They talked about harder times ahead but hoped to have it worked out in a few months. Makes me think they will either find a partner with Europe or maybe a me culpa is at hand.
    The odds of them admitting guilt is about zero, in my estimation. They haven't given up their dreams of nuclear weapons or destroying Israel and America. And Europe, for that matter.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    I know some will groan when they read this but think about it:

    He's doing the same thing Reagan did with his "Peace Through Strength" approach.
    Agree. Unfortunately, the EU and Kerry and Obama running interference for them is not helpful.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

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    Re: Trump dumps Iran nuclear deal

    Trump being an outsider meant that he could keep his campaign promises.

    Donald Trump Ends the Obama Mirage

    The Iran nuclear deal, 2015-2018


    BY: Matthew Continetti
    May 8, 2018 3:03 pm

    President Trump announced that the United States would withdraw from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), aka the Iran nuclear deal, on the afternoon of May 8. The deal, announced to such fanfare in July 2015, did not live to see its third birthday. And for that, I am grateful.

    Why? Because the president said not only that America will be leaving the accord. He declared that the period of waxing Iranian influence in the Middle East is at an end. The deal financed several years of Iranian expansion through Shiite proxies in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen. By reimposing sanctions, President Trump will weaken an already ailing Iranian economy. The Iranian currency, the rial, has plummeted in recent weeks. Inflation is rampant. The financial system is corrupted, dysfunctional. Strikes are proliferating, and often turn into displays against the government. This is a situation the United States should seek not to mitigate but to exacerbate.

    Removing ourselves from the deal puts Iran on the defensive. Its people and government are divided and uncertain how to respond. Its leverage is minimal. Iranian citizens have seen their leaders use the money from the deal not to improve the economic lot of the average person but to fund the military, IRGC, and other instruments of foreign adventurism. Implicit in the deal was recognition of the Islamic regime as a legitimate member of the so-called "international community." President Trump has rescinded that recognition and the standing that came with it. The issue is no longer Iranian compliance with an agreement that contained loopholes through which you could launch a Fateh-110 heavy missile. The issue is whether Iran chooses to become a responsible player or not, whether it curbs its imperial designs, cuts off its militias, abandons terrorism, opens its public square, and ceases its threats to and harassment of the United States and her allies. That choice is not Donald Trump's to make. It is the Iranian regime's.

    Trump has made his choice. Like he did with the Supreme Court, the Paris Climate Accord, and the U.S. embassy in Jerusalem, Trump kept a promise made many times throughout the campaign. In truth, anyone who has listened to Trump over the last several years should not be surprised by his decision. From the beginning, he understood that any deal which gives the weaker party benefits up front in exchange for minimal temporary concessions is not a deal worth taking. And since he does not accept the worldview that inspired the deal, there is no reason for Trump to remain in it.

    The worldview Trump opposes privileges therapy and dialogue over realism and hard decisions. It imagines that the Iranian theocracy is a reliable or trustworthy hedge against Sunni power and will liberalize gradually as the arc of justice progresses. These are the ideas that motivated the presidency of Barack Obama. The Iran deal was the signature achievement of Obama's second term, and it is now gone. In truth, though, Obama's legacy was disappearing long before Trump made his announcement. Obama's legacy, like much of his self-presentation, was a mirage, a pleasing and attractive image that, upon closer inspection, loses coherence.

    Because he governed so extensively through executive order and administrative fiat, because he was so contemptuous of criticism and had a "my way or the highway" approach to negotiations with Republicans (though not with Iranians), the longevity of Obama's agenda depended heavily on his party winning a third consecutive term in the White House. As Tom Cotton warned the Iranians years ago, an agreement entered into by a president and not submitted to the Senate as a treaty can be abrogated by the next man who holds the office. Hillary Clinton's failure doomed the Iran deal and the reputations it had established. It was Barack Obama and John Kerry who allowed Donald Trump to exit the deal by rejecting longstanding procedure. Perhaps it was knowledge of this fact that inspired Kerry in his desperate attempt to preserve the agreement.

    Trump has spent much of his time in office reversing Obama policies that were made outside of, or in opposition to, America's constitutional framework. He has had the hardest time repealing Obamacare, for the very reason that the Affordable Care Act was passed by the Congress and upheld by the Supreme Court. That is a lesson for any president: To have a long-lasting influence on American life, work within the system bequeathed to us by the Founders.

    Because Republicans widely shared a negative attitude toward the Iran deal, many people assume that President Trump is doing what any other GOP president would do. But I am not sure. Another Republican president who had come up through the political system, or been enmeshed in the foreign policy establishment, or held elite opinion in esteem may well have given in to pressure to remain in the Paris accord, keep the U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv, and stay, at least partly, in the JCPOA. Trump's outsider status and independence give him the freedom not only to flout political correctness but to repudiate the international and domestic consensus in ways his supporters love.

    It took a small boy to say the emperor had no clothes. And it took Donald Trump to say that Barack Obama's foreign policy legacy was a superficial and dangerous mirage.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Agree. Unfortunately, the EU and Kerry and Obama running interference for them is not helpful.
    Yeah, remember that axiom about not learning history and being doomed I mentioned earlier? Merkle and Macron seem to be leading the EU and both are the European versions of Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Trump being an outsider meant that he could keep his campaign promises.
    Lots of people like to accuse Trump of lying. He doesn't lie to his voters as much as the other politicians did though. Gotta give him that. I have told a few friends "He hasn't lied to me yet." What I mean is the promises he made, that I consider important, he has either kept, or tried to keep.
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    Last night Iranian forces in Syria fired approximately 20 missiles towards Israel. About 15 fell short and landed in Syria, and the rest were destroyed by Israel's "Iron dome" defense system.

    Israel responded by bombing about 50 sites in Syria that are known to be Iranian military bases. The bombing took about 4 hours and the damage was quite extensive. Israel believes that every Iranian outpost in Syria was damaged or destroyed.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

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