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    How can you tell if an end-times prophecy is literal or spiritual?

    So having had many discussions on end-times prophecies here, I realize that many Christians read many end-times prophecies, especially OT prophecies, as being fulfilled "spiritually" rather than literally. My question is, how does one know? How does one make the determination as to which will actually happen, and which either already happened or will happen, but in the spiritual realm?

    Please illuminate.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Re: How can you tell if an end-times prophecy is literal or spiritual?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    So having had many discussions on end-times prophecies here, I realize that many Christians read many end-times prophecies, especially OT prophecies, as being fulfilled "spiritually" rather than literally. My question is, how does one know? How does one make the determination as to which will actually happen, and which either already happened or will happen, but in the spiritual realm?

    Please illuminate.
    That one is easy, and it's easy enough to identify the major players in Revelation.

    The beast is Hillary Clinton. The false prophet is Hillary Clinton. The being with frogs coming out of its mouth is Hillary Clinton, and so are the frogs. The four horsemen are all Hillary Clinton. The horses they ride are Hillary Clinton. Babylon is wherever Hillary Clinton is living at the time. The dragon that tried to swallow the woman is Hillary Clinton.

    I think that covers them all. If I missed anyone, chances are that's Hillary Clinton as well, as long as it's one of the bad players. If it's a good player it isn't Hillary Clinton.

    It would have been so much easier if John had just come out with it and named Hillary Clinton but there was probably a reason why he didn't.

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    Re: How can you tell if an end-times prophecy is literal or spiritual?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonajero View Post
    That one is easy, and it's easy enough to identify the major players in Revelation.

    The beast is Hillary Clinton. The false prophet is Hillary Clinton. The being with frogs coming out of its mouth is Hillary Clinton, and so are the frogs. The four horsemen are all Hillary Clinton. The horses they ride are Hillary Clinton. Babylon is wherever Hillary Clinton is living at the time. The dragon that tried to swallow the woman is Hillary Clinton.

    I think that covers them all. If I missed anyone, chances are that's Hillary Clinton as well, as long as it's one of the bad players. If it's a good player it isn't Hillary Clinton.

    It would have been so much easier if John had just come out with it and named Hillary Clinton but there was probably a reason why he didn't.


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    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Re: How can you tell if an end-times prophecy is literal or spiritual?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonajero View Post
    That one is easy, and it's easy enough to identify the major players in Revelation.

    The beast is Hillary Clinton. The false prophet is Hillary Clinton. The being with frogs coming out of its mouth is Hillary Clinton, and so are the frogs. The four horsemen are all Hillary Clinton. The horses they ride are Hillary Clinton. Babylon is wherever Hillary Clinton is living at the time. The dragon that tried to swallow the woman is Hillary Clinton.

    I think that covers them all. If I missed anyone, chances are that's Hillary Clinton as well, as long as it's one of the bad players. If it's a good player it isn't Hillary Clinton.

    It would have been so much easier if John had just come out with it and named Hillary Clinton but there was probably a reason why he didn't.
    John also really tried to confuse us by calling her a he in the verse below too LOL

    Revelation 17:11
    11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

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    Re: How can you tell if an end-times prophecy is literal or spiritual?

    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    John also really tried to confuse us by calling her a he in the verse below too LOL

    Revelation 17:11
    11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
    Well yes, of course, that was either to throw us off the scent or point out that it might be Barack Obama instead. Or he knew that Hillary is really a reptilian thingumybob and they are all male even if they take on a female form when in human shape.

    How many conspiracy theories can we fit into a single thread about prophecy?

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    Re: How can you tell if an end-times prophecy is literal or spiritual?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonajero View Post
    That one is easy, and it's easy enough to identify the major players in Revelation.

    The beast is Hillary Clinton. The false prophet is Hillary Clinton. The being with frogs coming out of its mouth is Hillary Clinton, and so are the frogs. The four horsemen are all Hillary Clinton. The horses they ride are Hillary Clinton. Babylon is wherever Hillary Clinton is living at the time. The dragon that tried to swallow the woman is Hillary Clinton.

    I think that covers them all. If I missed anyone, chances are that's Hillary Clinton as well, as long as it's one of the bad players. If it's a good player it isn't Hillary Clinton.

    It would have been so much easier if John had just come out with it and named Hillary Clinton but there was probably a reason why he didn't.
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    Re: How can you tell if an end-times prophecy is literal or spiritual?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    So having had many discussions on end-times prophecies here, I realize that many Christians read many end-times prophecies, especially OT prophecies, as being fulfilled "spiritually" rather than literally. My question is, how does one know? How does one make the determination as to which will actually happen, and which either already happened or will happen, but in the spiritual realm?

    Please illuminate.
    Hi Fenris

    I think that most OT prophecies have already happened like you do and that the bible uses symbolic language to describe them.

    I also interpret some of the literal ones spiritually when the bible seams to give us permission like in the example below

    Zechariah 14:8
    8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter

    I see this as the Holy Spirit flowing out from the disciples to the world which started on the day of Pentecost in Jerusalem because of the verses below

    John 7:37-39
    37 On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, ďLet anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.Ē[c] 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

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    Re: How can you tell if an end-times prophecy is literal or spiritual?

    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    Hi Fenris

    I think that most OT prophecies have already happened like you do and that the bible uses symbolic language to describe them.
    Well...the prophecies of destruction and exile have clearly occurred. The ones about the regathering clearly have not. At least, not as I see it. But others say otherwise and I'm looking for a clear line of thought on how Christians decide these matters.

    Zechariah 14:8
    8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter
    Ok. But it could be literal, right?
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Re: How can you tell if an end-times prophecy is literal or spiritual?

    Well...the prophecies of destruction and exile have clearly occurred. The ones about the regathering clearly have not. At least, not as I see it. But others say otherwise and I'm looking for a clear line of thought on how Christians decide these matters.
    There is no single answer because they don't all agree on how to interpret them my example was how I and some others interpret them

    Ok. But it could be literal, right?
    I guess it could be but I don't think so as Jesus did stand on the mount of Olives like Zechariah 14 states when He gave the command to take the gospel to the world

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    Re: How can you tell if an end-times prophecy is literal or spiritual?

    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    There is no single answer because they don't all agree on how to interpret them Ö
    I agree.

    Itís like asking a bunch of rednecks whatís the best beer or whatís the best use for duck tape (yes I know how itís spelled).
    "He's wild, you know. Not like a tame lion."
    C.S. Lewis, "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe."

    "Oh, but sometimes the sun stays hidden for years"
    "Sometimes the sky rains night after night, When will it clear?"

    "But our Hope endures the worst of conditions"
    "It's more than our optimism, Let the earth quake"
    "Our Hope is unchanged"
    "Our Hope Endures" Natalie Grant

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    Re: How can you tell if an end-times prophecy is literal or spiritual?

    Quote Originally Posted by Old man View Post
    It’s like asking a bunch of rednecks what’s the best beer
    Obviously we have to try every one!
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Re: How can you tell if an end-times prophecy is literal or spiritual?

    Quote Originally Posted by Old man View Post
    I agree.

    Itís like asking a bunch of rednecks whatís the best beer or whatís the best use for duck tape (yes I know how itís spelled).
    How is it spelled then? Otherwise, good point!

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    Re: How can you tell if an end-times prophecy is literal or spiritual?

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    How is it spelled then? Otherwise, good point!
    It's actually "duct tape"
    "He's wild, you know. Not like a tame lion."
    C.S. Lewis, "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe."

    "Oh, but sometimes the sun stays hidden for years"
    "Sometimes the sky rains night after night, When will it clear?"

    "But our Hope endures the worst of conditions"
    "It's more than our optimism, Let the earth quake"
    "Our Hope is unchanged"
    "Our Hope Endures" Natalie Grant

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    Re: How can you tell if an end-times prophecy is literal or spiritual?

    Quote Originally Posted by Old man View Post
    It's actually "duct tape"
    It may be for ducts, but it's also called "duck tape." It's terrible with ducts. Don't use it, unless it's for temporary use. I've used plenty of duck/duct tape for a variety of uses, and often the glue dries up and the tape fails.

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    Re: How can you tell if an end-times prophecy is literal or spiritual?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Ok. But it could be literal, right?
    How can it not be literal?

    half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

    How does it make sense to apply that spiritually? How can there be two halves of the Holy Spirit? And why does the text say 'them'?

    What you are basically witnessing among Christians is, that some Christians make the text mean anything they want it to mean without first determining if the text is even making any sense when understanding it like that. Then you have other Christians doing their best to try and make some sense of the text, where they don't feel the need to make the text mean anything they want, especially if it then renders the text nonsensical by doing so.

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