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    Revelation & history part 1

    I am listing these events in history to just show how they seams to match certain verses from the book of Revelation so people reading can ask themselves are they coincidences or not.


    Revelation 17:16-17
    16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.

    History
    Rome destroyed Jerusalem in 70AD for God's purpose

    Could it just be a coincidence?

    https://bibleforums.org/showthread.p...history-part-2

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    Re: Revelation & history part 1

    Obviously not ad Rome did not have 10 horns.

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    Re: Revelation & history part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    Obviously not ad Rome did not have 10 horns.
    Depends what the horns are. I see them as demons over nations that Rome consumed as Daniel chapter 10 and Revelation shows us that demons are kings & princes

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    Re: Revelation & history part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    I am listing these events in history to just show how they seams to match certain verses from the book of Revelation so people reading can ask themselves are they coincidences or not.


    Revelation 17:16-17
    16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.

    History
    Rome destroyed Jerusalem in 70AD for God's purpose

    Could it just be a coincidence?

    https://bibleforums.org/showthread.p...history-part-2
    I agree with Glory. Ancient Rome did not have 10 kings. I tried to consider if there were 10 Caesars associated with ancient Rome. There were, but these 10 kings were bound together in a single conspiracy, not a sequence of emperors.

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    Re: Revelation & history part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    I agree with Glory. Ancient Rome did not have 10 kings. I tried to consider if there were 10 Caesars associated with ancient Rome. There were, but these 10 kings were bound together in a single conspiracy, not a sequence of emperors.
    Is there any indication in scripture that these ten kings must be sequential?
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    Re: Revelation & history part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Old man View Post
    Is there any indication in scripture that these ten kings must be sequential?
    They could be sequential, or as I think all at the same time.
    However NEITHER was true in 70 AD, which is what Marty Fox is insinuating.

    Even if you ignore how other scripture speaks of horns, and make them out to be demons, ruling behind the kings, this still is not seen.

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    Re: Revelation & history part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    I am listing these events in history to just show how they seams to match certain verses from the book of Revelation so people reading can ask themselves are they coincidences or not.


    Revelation 17:16-17
    16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.

    History
    Rome destroyed Jerusalem in 70AD for God's purpose

    Could it just be a coincidence?

    https://bibleforums.org/showthread.p...history-part-2
    I see this as End Time, but the 10 Kings are of the Fourth Beast just not the Fourth Beast. Its like the USA being a GREAT POWER, then losing its power for nigh 2000 years and becoming a great power again under a different name. I see the land mass being pretty much the same area that covered all of the Mediterranean Sea Region when Rome was the Beast. Whereas Greece pushed much further east into Asia, all the way to India. So its the E.U. or some nation that is created along those borders, then it Conquers Israel and all of North Africa, just as Daniel 11:40-43 describes, and probably Turkey also.

    The Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION being Judged by God. He is the one that (Rev. 17:17) places it in their heart to do his will. The Beasts heart says I AM GOD, thus there is no place for Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, or any religion, thus the 10 Kings (E.U. Gov.) destroys these False Religions (The Harlot).

    The Reason the Temple and Jerusalem were destroyed is God saw Israel as Dead Men's Bones for nigh 2000 years, He turned His back on them because they rejected Him.

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    Re: Revelation & history part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Revelation Man View Post
    I see this as End Time, but the 10 Kings are of the Fourth Beast just not the Fourth Beast. Its like the USA being a GREAT POWER, then losing its power for nigh 2000 years and becoming a great power again under a different name. I see the land mass being pretty much the same area that covered all of the Mediterranean Sea Region. Whereas Greece pushed much further east into Asia, all the way to India. So its the E.U. or some nation that is created along those borders, then it Conquers Israel and all of North Africa, just as Daniel 11:40-43 describes, and probably Turkey also.

    The Harlot is AL FALSE RELIGION being Judged by God. He is the one that (Rev. 17:17) places it in their heart to do his will. The Beasts heart says I AM GOD, thus there is no place for Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, or any religion, thus the 10 Kings (E.U. Gov.) destroys these False Religions (The Harlot).

    The Reason the Temple and Jerusalem were destroyed is God saw Israel as Dead Men's Bones for nigh 2000 years, He turned His back on them because they rejected Him.
    Of course it's endtimes. Which BTW, some around here apparently tend to forget what forum we're in. We're in endtimes chat, not ancient times chat. This board is perhaps in need of a new section, that being ancient times chat. That way folks such as Marty won't be off topic as much, where the topic is supposed to mainly be endtimes not ancient times. Which then tends to get some of the rest of us off topic by having to debunk their incorrect interpretations.


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    Biblical Prophecy, End Time events in News, Middle East, Terrorism, wars and rumors of wars ... 1THESS 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.


    I'm pretty sure the events of 70 AD are not in the News these days. I watch FoxNews, CNN, etc, quite a bit. Don't ever see anything about 70 AD in the news though.

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    Re: Revelation & history part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    Of course it's endtimes. Which BTW, some around here apparently tend to forget what forum we're in. We're in endtimes chat, not ancient times chat. This board is perhaps in need of a new section, that being ancient times chat. That way folks such as Marty won't be off topic as much, where the topic is supposed to mainly be endtimes not ancient times. Which then tends to get some of the rest of us off topic by having to debunk their incorrect interpretations.


    Forum: End Times Chat

    Biblical Prophecy, End Time events in News, Middle East, Terrorism, wars and rumors of wars ... 1THESS 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.


    I'm pretty sure the events of 70 AD are not in the News these days. I watch FoxNews, CNN, etc, quite a bit. Don't ever see anything about 70 AD in the news though.
    Tis true. Yet they will say the End Times is a 2000 year period in their mind, I don't mind it unless my sugar and blood pressure is high like yesterday, some of the weirdos on facebook end time sites has me shaking my head, there are some real wackos in the world today. I had to just back off awhile.

    They mean well I think, or most do.

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    Re: Revelation & history part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    I agree with Glory. Ancient Rome did not have 10 kings. I tried to consider if there were 10 Caesars associated with ancient Rome. There were, but these 10 kings were bound together in a single conspiracy, not a sequence of emperors.
    Israel had 10 kings........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revelation Man View Post
    I see this as End Time, but the 10 Kings are of the Fourth Beast just not the Fourth Beast. Its like the USA being a GREAT POWER, then losing its power for nigh 2000 years and becoming a great power again under a different name. I see the land mass being pretty much the same area that covered all of the Mediterranean Sea Region when Rome was the Beast. Whereas Greece pushed much further east into Asia, all the way to India. So its the E.U. or some nation that is created along those borders, then it Conquers Israel and all of North Africa, just as Daniel 11:40-43 describes, and probably Turkey also.

    The Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION being Judged by God. He is the one that (Rev. 17:17) places it in their heart to do his will. The Beasts heart says I AM GOD, thus there is no place for Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, or any religion, thus the 10 Kings (E.U. Gov.) destroys these False Religions (The Harlot).

    The Reason the Temple and Jerusalem were destroyed is God saw Israel as Dead Men's Bones for nigh 2000 years, He turned His back on them because they rejected Him.
    Oh boy......

    The (woman) Harlot is a CITY CITY CITY ..........not all false religions.

    This city appears as the city of the kingdom of God upon the earth. (and I contend same woman as in Rev 12)

    So the only religion being promoted from this city is the gospel which in turn the one residing within the city is it's Christ (though false)

    A city being judged for it's fornication with the wrong groom. ie the beast..........(correct groom is his son of God)

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    Re: Revelation & history part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Revelation Man View Post

    They mean well I think, or most do.
    I agree. I won't take that away from them. They obviously believe themselves to be correct about a lot of these things. Anyone believing themselves correct about something is naturally going to defend that. We all do that, yet we all can't be correct if not all of us are coming to the same conclusions. Someone has to be wrong then. No one ever wants to admit it might be them, meaning all of us. That's where debunking should have a useful purpose, except no one can ever seem to admit anything has been debunked when it has. We're a stubborn lot, no doubt.

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    Re: Revelation & history part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Oh boy......

    The (woman) Harlot is a CITY CITY CITY ..........not all false religions.

    This city appears as the city of the kingdom of God upon the earth. (and I contend same woman as in Rev 12)

    So the only religion being promoted from this city is the gospel which in turn the one residing within the city is it's Christ (though false)

    A city being judged for it's fornication with the wrong groom. ie the beast..........(correct groom is his son of God)
    The Vision is only verses 3-6, everything else is the Angel explaining the Vision, so in the last verse the Angel only REMINDS John what he saw.

    Rev. 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

    What did John see? Rev. 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

    Babylon the Great was just one of FOUR DESCRIPTIONS !!

    It of course means where the Harlot, Mother of all False Religion got her start in Babylon, her name was Semiramis, I did a blog in this a while back. This below is the Mystery Religion that God has now exposed via Jesus Christ birth and resurrection.

    The Origins of the Mystery/Babylon Religion.

    Mystery, - Babylon EXPLAINED as per the Religious side. Why would ANYONE follow a Church hierarchy that missed the Rapture? Its not happening brother. HINT: here is a little secret tidbit, I am not saying the RCC hierarchy can't be a part of the Harlot, as can other churches but I am saying the RCC is not THE HARLOT.

    The Harlot has to stretch from the beginning of mankind till the end. The Clues mandate this, she has the blood of the Saints AND the Martyrs of Jesus on her hands. The RCC was not even around when all of the Saints were killed. The Harlot is Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Witchcraft, Voodoo, ( Baal, Bel, Belios, Zeus and Jupiter are all the SAME God with a little different name hence the Throne of Satan was the Temple to Zeus in Pergamum). All of the Roman gods, all of the Babylonian gods and demi gods, all of the Egyptian gods are all the same.

    The Mystery Religion of Ancient Babylon or Mesopotamia began post flood, and it is the beginning of paganism, all mankind had just been destroyed. This "Mystery Religion" has been told in many different stories via many religions, it consists of a lot of names of many different gods, but they are in affect all actually the same gods but just different cultures, different times, all the same stories and the explanation to what Mystery Babylon is in its simplest form is that it is simply polytheism and or paganism: WATCH THIS:

    Polytheism is the belief in MANY GODS: The true knowledge or the goals of these gods were only given to the few. The high priests and priestess who passed down the religion.They required a sacrifice to the gods and they were the only ones that could commune with the gods. They held the secret knowledge which gave them power over the ones who did not have the knowledge. Well you get the point.

    In Polytheism its always the same structure in most cultures, one man is god, one virgin woman who was the mother of god, and a son of the mother who was impregnated from the male god.

    Paganism = Father god, Mother god and the Son of god.

    Paganism came from the line of Ham via Cush see Genesis ch. 10. He created the rebellion against the real God via the Tower of Babel. They wanted to challenge the power of God. So God just confused their languages and put a stop to this nonsense, but Nimrod arose, he was a Mighty hunter and became leader of the Assyrian/Babylonian Empire. Nimrod began these Mystery Religions, but they spread all around the World hence MYSTERY BABYLON is world wide by the time the Angel explains it to us in Revelation chapter 17. Not quite as deep as I am going to explain it here, but nevertheless, we should be able to understand the Angel.

    Nimrod = sun god
    Semiramis = moon goddess, the mother and wife of Nimrord
    Tammuz = the son of good.

    The Ancient Babylonian god Nebo = Nabu = Nimrod = Ba'al this is the BIRTH of the Occult. It all leads back to Nimrod, and it even goes back further to Cain in reality. The MARK OF CAIN !!

    So we have Nimrod the sun god, Semiramis the moon god and Tammuz the son of god. Nimrod communicated with the Spirit World of course. They preformed human sacrifices, he was seen as god, he challenged Gods authority. Now Shem, abhorred or hated these abominations and he killed Nimrod, cut him up in pieces and sent him to all the cities Nimrod ruled over to show that he was NOT GOD!! He wanted the people to stop doing what they were doing and to start worshiping and obeying God again. This threw a kink in Satan's plans. BUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT ?


    Semiramis happened !! The Mother of Harlots. She was the wife of Cush and the mother of Nimrod, she claimed to be divinely born. She married Nimrod after Cush lost power, her own son. After Nimrod was killed she became pregnant and told everyone it was the "Spirit of Nimrod" that impregnated her. (LOL, LOL). She claimed she was having a "Virgin Birth" from the spirit of Nimrod.

    Her son was going to be the Savior to defeat the serpent when in reality they were worshiping the serpent. She managed to get them to believe that Nimrod ascended to the sun, and she conceived via the sun rays. He was to now be worshiped as Baal, the Sun-god. She made herself a goddess and claimed that she was divinely created, she was in effect the moon-goddess. She had them believing she came from the moon in a giant moon egg.

    The queen of Babylon aka Semiramis became known as the moon-goddess Ishtar. Tammuz was the Son of god or the Sun-god REBORN !! He was killed by a wild pig, Semiramis, now Ishtar stated that he ascended to the sun like his father and they now are a union. Semiramis/Ishtar continued on with her false religious worship and sacrifices, but because of Shem and their constant defeat by God they CHANGED TACTICS, what was once done out in the open would now be done IN SECRET. The Secret Societies so to speak. All of these dark practices would henceforth be done in the dark, it would become a MYSTERY, only completely revealed unto those that were WORTHY !! You know, the high priests and priestesses. Some say the Free Masons etc. etc.

    So now you know what the MYSTERY RELIGION was/is. This is how it was Created. But alas, this Mystery Religion spread amongst all the ancient empires of Babylon, Egypt, Persia, Greece and Rome, this is what Paganism is. The stories may change, the name of the gods may change, but there are ALWAYS THREE CENTRAL FIGURES with a very specific structure.

    The Father god who is the Sun-god.
    The Mother god who is the Moon-goddess.
    The Son of god who is the Sun-god REBORN.

    Babylon had Nimrod, Semiramis, and Tammuz.

    Egypt had Ra, Isis and Horus.

    Greece had Zeus, Artemis and Adonis

    Rome had Jupiter, Dianna and Apollo.

    The Nordic's had Odin, Joro and Thor.

    The Hindu's had Vishnu, Chandra and Krishna

    Satan seeks to confuse and deceive of course. He knew the SEED would bruise his heel (Die and be Resurrected) and thus bruise the Serpents head. So he knew there had to be a Virgin Birth and a death and resurrection to take away the sins of all mankind, so he set out to copy/imitate and deceive the masses with his MYSTERY RELIGION or with ALL FALSE RELIGION worldwide.

    Now did the RCC crossover into some of these erroneous practices? I think they did, they treat Mary more akin to the moon-goddess hence the Madonna and the baby. But they did not introduced the bunny rabbits and eggs however, at least not in America, that seems to have arrived in America via a German tradition in the 1700's. German immigrants who settled in Pennsylvania and transported their tradition of an egg-laying hare called “Osterhase” or “Oschter Haws.” Their children made nests in which this creature could lay its colored eggs. So I think its more of a "European" thing, we in America took the MANY TRADITIONS of the many cultures who migrated here and kind of mixed them all into one bag, the bad and the good. But they did not all come from the RCC. More or less most of these practices are from IGNORANCE, not from people actually seeking to worship false gods, and with God, He looks at our hearts intent.

    So whenever you see a male god and a female god at the head of the hierarchy and there is a "Virgin Birth" you know this is MYSTERY BABYLON , even if there are 100's of other gods, these three are always at the Head or at the Hierarchy of the MYSTERY BABYLON Religion. Have some of these traditions creeped into the RCC? Well, maybe, but the RCC is not the Great Harlot nor can it be. The Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGIONS of ALL TIME and it was Birthed by Nimrod in Babylon.

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    Re: Revelation & history part 1

    Again this statement below was the purpose for these post not for great debate as the category was "information" and its to many reply's to keep up to and I have tried to answer them all but I don't have that much time if you don't agree then you don't agree I guess go onto the next persons thread

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