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    Re: Come Out of Her My People (Rev. 18:4)

    Quote Originally Posted by gavriel View Post
    Again, as I mentioned in the original post, the scripture refers to the woman as a "great city." Six times the scriptures refer to the "her" or "woman" as a city. Should we not accept how the scriptures identify the "her" or "woman"?
    The scripture says REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAW....then he reminds John of the Vision, the Woman was that great city. Babylon the Great was on her forehead. The Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION, she is destroyed by the 10 Kings in Rev. 17:16, they destroy all false religion because the Beast has to be worshiped as the ONLY GOD !!

    Babylon the Great was only one of Four Descriptions, but John is being shown that False Religion and Babylon are two sides of ONE COIN, both of Satan. The Religious side and the Gov. side.

    In Rev. 18 Babylon gets DESTROYED by Gods Plagues. The Seals, Trumpets and Vials are what destroys Babylon (The World). When she burns the Kings cry and lament. When the Harlot is destroyed the Kings HATED her. Two different entities.

    Come out of HER (Babylon) means the World, Israel have to REPENT, come to Jesus and then God protects them in Petra.

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    Re: Come Out of Her My People (Rev. 18:4)

    Quote Originally Posted by verity View Post
    There is no scriptural reason why the city "Babylon the Great" is any other city than Babylon itself.
    We are given her name and the mystery surrounding her.

    Here is some OT prophecy concerning the literal city of Babylon. There are many similarities with Rev 17,18.

    Isaian 47:Jeremiah 50:39-40 (NASB)

    Isa 47:1* Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate...Isa 47:5* Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms.

    Isa 47:9* But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.*
    Isa 47:10* For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.*
    Isa 47:11* Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.*
    Isa 47:12* Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.*
    Isa 47:13* Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.*
    Isa 47:14* Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.*
    Isa 47:15* Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.*
    When the Apostle John wrote the book of Revelation, Ancient Babylon was in severe decline. This city would not rise to be great again. Its last days of greatness were during the time of Nebuchadnezzar, when this powerful king of the Neo-Babylonian empire reigned from 605 years to 562 years before the coming of the Messiah. During the reign of King Nebuchadnezzar, Ancient Babylon was truly a great city. It was a vast city of wealth that ruled an empire from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean to the Red Sea, and many more points in between. Its greatness was manifested in the famed Hanging Gardens of Babylon, one of the seven wonders of the Ancient World. Even during Nebuchadnezzar’s time, Ancient Babylon was ancient. It had existed as a city-state for around 1300 years, or from the 18th or 19th century BC, and possibly earlier. From 1792 BC to 1750 BC Babylon was the seat of an empire lead by the famous lawgiver Hammurabi. But by the Apostle John’s time it was little more than a town. And by around 116 AD to 117 AD, when the Roman Emperor Trajan had conquered the region that included the city of Babylon, it was noted that Trajan was not impressed with the ruins of Ancient Babylon. Clearly, Ancient Babylon was already in severe decline by Roman times. It was no more than a village by the 10th century AD and noted only as ruins from that time forward. There is a reference that the bricks of Babylon were used to construct buildings from Baghdad to Basra in Iraq. Ancient Babylon had become desolate fulfilling a prophecy by the prophet Jeremiah:


    Jeremiah 50:39-40 (NASB)

    39 “Therefore the desert creatures will live there along with the jackals;
    The ostriches also will live in it,
    And it will never again be inhabited
    Or dwelt in from generation to generation.
    40 “As when God overthrew Sodom
    And Gomorrah with its neighbors,” declares the LORD,
    “No man will live there,
    Nor will any son of man reside in it.


    The British traveler and explorer Claudius James Rich during 1811 AD to 1812 AD was the first person in modern times to excavate the site of Ancient Babylon. He wrote the following in his memoirs about the description of the site in 1811,

    “quantities of heaps of earth covered with fragments of bricks and broken tiles, which are seen in every direction…the indisputable traces of former population.”

    Claudius James Rich talked about “former” populations at the site. No one was living there when Mr. Rich began excavating the site. Debris from the remains of walls and buildings scattered about the site made the ground difficult to till, thus unfit for agriculture. Therefore, not even crops could grow on the site. Claudius James Rich even talked about a lion that threatened his party for several days during one of his visits. Wild creatures lived there and not humans, fulfilling the prophecies about Babylon in the book of Jeremiah. For nearly a thousand years, Ancient Babylon had become desolate.

    Even today, no one lives in the ruins of Ancient Babylon. The site has been heavily excavated. Large parts of the site of Ancient Babylon were repaired by the nation of Iraq, mostly during the regime of Saddam Hussein, though haphazardly and not by trained archaeologist. It is a treasured historical site to the Iraqis and indeed the entire world for Ancient Babylon was one of the great cities from antiquity. The site of Ancient Babylon is preserved like all important historical sites around the world. And like other important historical sites, no one will be allowed to reside there for fear of further destroying the ruins and the parts that have been restored. It is today a popular location for Iraqi tourists to visit. Though there is new construction around it, no one resides there. There is a palace built by the Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein on top of the ruins, an arrogant attempt to defy Jeremiah’s prophecy. But then again, where is Saddam Hussein today? Ironically, you can rent a room in this opulent palace Saddam Hussein built. You can stay for a while, but you can’t live there. And even if you could try to live there and defy Jeremiah’s prophecy, the site of Ancient Babylon will not rise again to fulfill the prophecies in the book of Revelation. Ancient Babylon is a relic of the past. Jeremiah’s prophecy was directed toward this relic. The Babylon in the book of Revelation is not. It is something different. It is a new Babylon, a Mystery Babylon.

    The use of the word Babylon in Revelation is interesting. Ancient Babylon was a place of Diaspora, where Jewish peoples lived and thrived in Ancient Times. We know that the prophet Daniel lived in Babylon. Mystery Babylon, like Ancient Babylon, is a place of Diaspora too, where Jewish peoples live and thrive. New York City is a place of Diaspora where Jewish peoples live and thrive.

    Also the site of Ancient Babylon is far inland from the sea. Consider the following prophecy:

    Revelation 18 (NASB)
    19 And they threw dust on their heads and were crying out, weeping and mourning, saying, ‘Woe, woe, the great city, in which all who had ships at sea became rich by her wealth, for in one hour she has been laid waste!’


    This clue reveals that Mystery Babylon must be a port city and a vast one at that "the great city, in which all who had ships at sea became rich by her wealth." The site of Ancient Babylon could not fulfill this detail of the prophecy. New York City, on the other hand, is the largest city in the wealthiest nation the world has ever known. It easily fulfills this prophecy. The environs of New York City contains a vast sea port complex.

    No. The woman in Revelation 17 and 18 is not Ancient Babylon. It is a new Babylon, a Mystery Babylon, a term used to describe a city that would not even be named for another 1500 years. That alone is testimony to the power and glory of Adonai. Great and wonderful is He.

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    Re: Come Out of Her My People (Rev. 18:4)

    Mystery Babylon is not a city on earth.

    The people of God come out of "her" because they are IN her. They are IN her in the exact same sense as the saints being IN the world (not of it). That's because mystery Babylon IS the world and all that represents WORLDLINESS.

    The city aspect and economic city activities of the woman is a description of the sum total of human unrighteous behaviors.

    The beauty and perfection and majesty of New Jerusalem (which is Zion) is a description of the holy and righteous activity of the redeemed saints in the eternal kingdom.

    Just as the streets of the city of Sodom/Jerusalem (Revelation 11) where the witnesses are slain is a representation of a PATH of unrighteousness, the golden streets are a representation of the future path of righteousness revealed by the presence of Christ's second coming.
    As the "thief" in the night, Christ is going to suddenly appear on the throne of Israel - not the antichrist.

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    Re: Come Out of Her My People (Rev. 18:4)

    Quote Originally Posted by Aijalon View Post
    Mystery Babylon is not a city on earth.

    The people of God come out of "her" because they are IN her. They are IN her in the exact same sense as the saints being IN the world (not of it). That's because mystery Babylon IS the world and all that represents WORLDLINESS.

    The city aspect and economic city activities of the woman is a description of the sum total of human unrighteous behaviors.

    The beauty and perfection and majesty of New Jerusalem (which is Zion) is a description of the holy and righteous activity of the redeemed saints in the eternal kingdom.

    Just as the streets of the city of Sodom/Jerusalem (Revelation 11) where the witnesses are slain is a representation of a PATH of unrighteousness, the golden streets are a representation of the future path of righteousness revealed by the presence of Christ's second coming.
    Below are a list of 10 points from the bible that tie Jerusalem and mystery Babylon together. I believe that these 10 points from the bible will tell us who mystery Babylon is.

    1) Ezekiel 16 and Revelation 18

    If you read Ezekiel 16 you will see that God says Jerusalem prostituted herself to the nations. See how it resembles Revelation 18 when God judges that great prostitute who the kings of the earth commit adultery with. There are many similarities between Ezekiel 16 and Revelation 18.

    2) The woman in the wilderness.

    In Revelation 12:6 & 12:14 the woman Israel is taken into the wilderness for protection for a set time. We then find a women in the wilderness in Revelation 17:3 sitting on a beast as John is taken into the wilderness. This woman is called the great prostitute. The name on her forehead is

    Babylon the great
    the mother of prostitutes
    and of the abominations of the earth.

    If this wasn’t the same woman in Revelation 12 what happened to the woman in Revelation 12 after the set time?

    3) The great city

    Mystery Babylon is called the great city in Revelation 17:18 and Revelation 18:21. Not a great city but the great city. A great city could be one of many cities but the great city could only be one city. Revelation 11:8 says that the great city is the city where our lord was crucified. Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem. In Revelation 18:2 mystery Babylon is called Babylon the great.

    4) 1 Peter 5:13 says she who is in Babylon greets you.

    This shows that the saints knew who Babylon was at that time. It has been said that the she in Babylon was the church in Jerusalem where it is believed that Peter lived at that time.

    5) The woman dressed in scarlet and gold.

    In Revelation 17:4 the woman is dressed in scarlet, gold and precious stones. Jeremiah 4:30 also says that Jerusalem is dressed in scarlet jewels and gold.

    6) Your lovers will despise and kill you.

    Both Jerusalem in Jeremiah 4:30-31 and mystery Babylon in Revelation 17 are killed by her lovers.

    Some people believe that Mystery Babylon will be the city that a future antichrist
    known as the beast will rule from. In Revelation 17:16-17 it says that the beast and
    the 10 horns will hate the prostitute and bring her to ruin because God had put it into
    their hearts to accomplish his purpose (Rome also destroyed Jerusalem for Gods
    purpose). Why would the beast destroy the city or empire that he rules from?


    7) The nations will mourn

    Jeremiah 4:28 says the earth will mourn at the destruction of Jerusalem. Revelation 18:9,11,15 and 19 all say that the kings, merchants and all who work on the seas will mourn at the destruction of mystery Babylon.

    8) The cup of Gods wrath

    Both Jerusalem and mystery Babylon drink the cup of Gods wrath. Isaiah 51:17 & Revelation 16:19

    9) A queen and a widow.

    In Revelation 18:7 mystery Babylon says I sit as queen I will never be a widow. n Jerusalem in Lamentations 1:1-2 is described as a queen who is now a widow. Both mystery Babylon and Jerusalem’s friends betray and destroy them.

    10) All who have been killed on the earth. This is the most important point.

    Revelation 18:20
    20 “Rejoice over her, you heavens!
    Rejoice, you people of God!
    Rejoice, apostles and prophets!
    For God has judged her
    with the judgment she imposed on you.”

    Revelation 18:24
    24 In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
    of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”

    Revelation 18:20 says that mystery Babylon killed both the saints and the prophets. Revelation 18:24 says Babylon the great is responsible for all of the blood of the saints and prophets and all that have been killed on the earth.

    Only Israel is responsible for killing both the prophets and the saints.

    Now read what Jesus said in Matthew 23:35 as he was prophesying about the destruction of Jerusalem

    35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

    Jesus was saying that Jerusalem just like mystery Babylon is responsible for and will be judged of all the blood that has been shed on the earth. They must be one and the same. This is prophecy fulfilled.

    At the time on Matthew 23:35 the saints where not yet killed. The Jews shortly there after started their persecution of the saints.

    The Beast (who I believe was a demon in control of the empire of Rome) still rules after Babylon the great is destroyed because in Revelation 14:8 an angle says that Babylon the great has fallen and then in Revelation 14:9-10 it says that if anyone worships the beast and his image or receives his mark on their forehand or hand he to shall drink the wine of Gods fury.

    Jesus predicted that the destruction of Jerusalem would happen in his generation in Mathew chapter 24. I believe that prediction was the destruction of mystery Babylon in the year 70AD. This would put a writing date of Revelation before 70AD as it was written to the 7 churches to warn them of what must soon take place because the time is near.

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    Concerning Rome as the woman in Revelation 17 and 18.

    Rome does not fulfill the prophecies and it never has.

    Even during Roman times, there were nations outside of Rome's influence. The Vatican cannot claim to have any level of authority over the leaders of nations. Yet, the United Nations passes resolutions that affect every nation on the earth. The prophecy in Revelation 17:18 points to a world government. And the UN is that.

    Plus Rome does not have a seaport. NYC does. Also, NYC is a far better fit when you look at the prophecies concerning the merchants. New York City doesn't only have the largest stock market on earth. It has the largest two stock markets. The great merchants that either came from NYC or made it their base is enormous. The current United States president is a New York City merchant. New York City has the commerce portions of the prophecy completely fulfilled, and better that any other city the world has ever known. Consider the name of the very towers that fell on 9/11, the World Trade Center towers. This says it all.

    The Catholic Church truly does not reign over the kings of the earth. You only need to look at England alone to see what little influence the Catholic church has over that nation, not to mention nations like Saudi Arabia, Iran, China. The list goes on and on of nations that have no level of control from either the Catholic church or the city of Rome. Rome has never fulfilled the prophecies and never will.

    Normally, I would say this is an area where believers can disagree. However, the ramifications of getting this one wrong is grave, literally. There is an unfulfilled prophecy concerning the "great city" in Revelation 18. The prophecy communicates a total destruction that afterwards no one will ever live there again. This is severe. We need to get this one right.

    Shalom,

    Gavriel

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    Re: Come Out of Her My People (Rev. 18:4)

    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    Below are a list of 10 points from the bible that tie Jerusalem and mystery Babylon together. I believe that these 10 points from the bible will tell us who mystery Babylon is.
    Jerusalem is indeed important to bible prophecy. But Jerusalem does not fulfill the clues revealed in Revelation 17 and 18.

    First and foremost, Jerusalem is not a port city. That is a big clue that Jerusalem cannot fulfill.

    Second, Jerusalem does not reign or rule over the leaders of the earth. Not today, anyway. Jerusalem cannot even control its total lands with the Muslims in control of large sections including the temple mount. Some day, when the Messiah returns, Jerusalem will become the world's capitol. But that day has not yet arrived.

    Third, there is a total destruction prophesied against Mystery Babylon. The prophecies for Jerusalem's future is not destruction, but instead a blessing to all the earth. I long for the day when Jerusalem will be the seat of G-d's kingdom, when our Messiah will reign there justly. It will not be totally destroyed to the point no one will ever live there again. Jerusalem has a future. Mystery Babylon does not. And that is why the warning to "Come Out of Her My People" is so important. Until she is destroyed there is hope of escape for those that live there. This is why we really need to get this one right.

    There are many more reasons, but we will stop with these for now.

    Thanks for your time and Shalom,

    Gavriel

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    Re: Come Out of Her My People (Rev. 18:4)

    Quote Originally Posted by gavriel View Post
    Revelation 18:4 (NASB)
    I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive of her plagues;

    This is nothing short than a command from heaven itself. Who is the target of this command. Revelation chapter 17 and 18 provides many clues. The key clue is determining who is the "her" in Revelation 18:4.

    Revelation 17:18 (NASB)
    18 The woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.”

    This may be the best identifying verse. The book of Revelation refers to the "her" as a "great city."

    Revelation 18:10, 16, 18, 19, and 21 all refer to "her" as a city. That is six very clear identifying clues that point that the "her" is a city, and a great city at that. The Greek word used from the oldest manuscripts is "polis". In English the word "metropolis" is derived from this Greek word. Metropolis is a very good term to describe this city.

    Back up in Revelation 17:18 is another very unique and identifying clue. It says that this " great city" will "reign over the kings of the earth." Let's think about this for a moment or two. We have a great city that reigns over the kings of the earth. The NIV uses the word "rules" in place of "reign". Either way this is an amazing declaration. How can a single city have the power to reign or rule the kings of the earth? When looking at the history of the world, this is not a usual condition. Rome may be the greatest ancient example, but even that great city's empire could not claim rulership over the "kings of the earth." There were many other kings of the earth at the time of Rome's greatest expansion that were not under Roman rule, whether they be Germanic kings, or Parthian rulers, or many others.

    Revelation 17:18 (NIV)
    18 [FONT="]The woman you saw is the great city[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT] that rules over the kings of the earth.”

    This "reign over the kings of the earth" clue alludes to a global rulership. For the Apostle John in the first century AD this is more than an amazing concept. During John's time this would have been impossible. In the history of the earth, there have only been two governments that had global authority over the other kings or nations of the earth. The first was the League of Nations with its headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland. Created after the end of World War I, it was dissolved after World War II . The second is the United Nation headquartered in New York City (1952). Geneva does not fulfill the prophecy. But what about New York City? Could the "her' from Revelation 18:4 be New York City? It does contain a government that makes rulings over the the other government of the earth. And this government is unique in that it is not a part of a nation, but is a collection of nations headquartered in a single great city.

    One may say that the United Nation is ineffective and would not be a good fit. But the prophecy does not indicate anything about the quality of "her" rule. It just says that she will rule. The United Nations makes regular resolutions or rulings that govern the action of the nations of the earth from rules governing trade on the high seas, to peace keeping missions in the world's hot spots, to combating hunger and disease, and much more. I would agree that many of these endeavors are fruitless, but alas that determination is not a part of the prophecy. And the prophecy is more pointed toward the city than the government within her.

    The ramification that New York City is the "her" in Revelation 18:4 is simply amazing. Could the book of Revelation, written in the first century AD, be referring to a city that would not even be settled until 1624AD, over 1500 years later? This is a miracle in and of itself. For the believer though, this should not be a difficult concept. But for the unbeliever this could potentially be life changing.

    There are many clues in Revelation 17 and 18 concerning this "great city." But more on that in later post.

    Shalom
    i'm proud love

    please follow ,
    we have been withheld the Clue

    ..the clue is , that "this earth [we think is our only reality] is not"

    ...egyptian spells knew that - they travelled to Sheal [underworld] ,
    which is them spirits' copied eden - after eden fell ,
    east of this earth

    ..i can give you a load of themes to show that there is another reality east of this earth ,
    say "the eden-trees , below (this earth)",
    or "to make no images (of the real earth , below)"

    we need to get Out of this their Nasa solarplane fake-reality
    because it is *not* what scripture describes , as Eden

    ...the whole story about Noah was
    that we - adamite souls - descended into them spirits' "reality" : being this solarplane

    ..therefore
    concepts as "jerusalem" are always about "this earth" , being not in eden (tsiun) ,
    the latter being God's region east of this earth

    if you don't believe me ,
    explain the line in Zecheriah ,
    "Jerusalem will be in Jerusalem"

    - nothing to do whatsoever with this created fake-state by Esau , in 47

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    Re: Come Out of Her My People (Rev. 18:4)

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    "My people" is a direct reference to Israel. Just do a word search folks.
    Especially read this phrase in:

    Ezekiel 36:28; 37:12, 13, 23, 27; 38:14, 16; 39:7

    ["My people" clearly referring to "Israel" in these verses ^... and I believe references to their "future," particularly during the future "2nd SEAL Wars" time frame (which occurs after our Rapture/the Departure of "the Church which is His body")]

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    so difficult this theme is

    but it's related to Habakuk , that "the vision is Snared" ,
    and Daniel . "the Sight is being sealed-up"

    what sight ?

    that is "the understanding that our so-called 'reality' is Fake"

    nót created by God
    and that Eden , coming eden , is outside this earth
    where it WAS - before the evil realm imprisoned us in their present 'solarplane'

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDivineWatermark View Post
    Especially read this phrase in:

    Ezekiel 36:28; 37:12, 13, 23, 27; 38:14, 16; 39:7

    ["My people" clearly referring to "Israel" in these verses ^... and I believe references to their "future," particularly during the future "2nd SEAL Wars" time frame (which occurs after our Rapture/the Departure of "the Church which is His body")]
    first please define the very term "israel" used here .

    Then we continue .

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    Re: Come Out of Her My People (Rev. 18:4)

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    "My people" is a direct reference to Israel. Just do a word search folks.
    Not necessarily. It could be either Israel or the church, depending on the context.

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    Re: Come Out of Her My People (Rev. 18:4)

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Rev 18
    4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

    The people leaving would then be the reference of the those fleeing to the mountains

    Matt 24
    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    Your position will make sense if the text is referring to literal Babylon...but wait a minute, physical Babylon doesn't exist anymore. So you're wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -loNe View Post
    first please define the very term "israel" used here .

    Then we continue .
    The same way it is defined in all 73 usages of the NT, all meaning "Israel"

    http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org...d/israelaf.htm "How is the Term Israel Used in the New Testament?"

    ... the list starts with:

    --Matthew 2:6
    --Matthew 2:20-21

    ... and so forth...list of usages, at link

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revelation Man View Post
    The scripture says REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAW....then he reminds John of the Vision, the Woman was that great city. Babylon the Great was on her forehead. The Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION, she is destroyed by the 10 Kings in Rev. 17:16, they destroy all false religion because the Beast has to be worshiped as the ONLY GOD !!

    Babylon the Great was only one of Four Descriptions, but John is being shown that False Religion and Babylon are two sides of ONE COIN, both of Satan. The Religious side and the Gov. side.

    In Rev. 18 Babylon gets DESTROYED by Gods Plagues. The Seals, Trumpets and Vials are what destroys Babylon (The World). When she burns the Kings cry and lament. When the Harlot is destroyed the Kings HATED her. Two different entities.

    Come out of HER (Babylon) means the World, Israel have to REPENT, come to Jesus and then God protects them in Petra.
    no
    however you won't like it :
    your [and my] "originals" , read , our original beings ,
    are imprisoned east of this earth , in Sheol (the underworld)

    ..the goal is, to have your soul "reunited with your original" ,
    as the one you was ment to be

    - but them spirits stole your identity ,
    and are now roaming around with your attributes -
    while they enclosed you as adamite soul in this body they constructed for you

    read : they stole your (original) qualities

    ..this is what scripture says - and what hieroglyphs say :
    the latter being wild about their victory over you

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    Re: Come Out of Her My People (Rev. 18:4)

    Quote Originally Posted by gavriel View Post
    Again, as I mentioned in the original post, the scripture refers to the woman as a "great city." Six times the scriptures refer to the "her" or "woman" as a city. Should we not accept how the scriptures identify the "her" or "woman"?

    There is a great misconception that the woman and the beast are some how united. It is understandable in light of the imagery.

    Revelation 17 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    3 And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness; and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns.


    But the scriptures revealed the mystery.

    Revelation 17 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    7 And the angel said to me, “Why do you wonder? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.


    From this point on it ceases to be imagery and the mystery is revealed. One of the revealed scriptures is a very clear verse that communicates the relationship between the woman and beast.

    Revelation 17 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    16 And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire.


    The scriptures clearly say that the beast "will hate the harlot". This changes the concept that the woman and beast are somehow together. Instead the imagery is more like a rider (woman) riding a horse (beast). The woman has some level of authority over the beast like a rider has some level of authority over a horse.

    Now I have not previously gone into the identity of the beast. But this mystery has been revealed too. I will do a brief outline here:

    Revelation 17 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    9 Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, 10 and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. 11 The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction.


    Israel is the key to understanding prophecy. When the Apostle John wrote the book of Revelation five great empires had come up against Israel and were no more, (Egyptians, Assyrians, Neo-Babylonians, Persians, and Greeks.) The empire in control during the Apostle John's time was of course Rome. And then the prophecy talks about one to come, and that one must remain for a little while.
    When we study the history of the world we know that in the 7th century AD Muslims took the region, including the lands of Israel, from the Byzantine Romans. They have ruled the region ever since including places like the Gaza Strip and West Bank even today. The current iteration of the beast are the Muslims.

    Now let's look at our current situation. Do you think the Muslims have a love for the United States and Israel? What happened on 9-11-2001? Who were the hijackers on the planes? Do you think they did what they did because they loved New York City and the United States?
    The Beast to come is NOT the Muslims.

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