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    Our Heavenly Citizenship

    “For our citizenship is in heaven; from which also we look for the savior, the Lord Jesus Christ: who shall change our humble body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working by which he is able even to subdue all things unto himself”—Philippians 3:20-21

    The word ‘citizenship’ in the above scripture, is the same word translated in the King James Version of the bible as “Conversation”. And it was translated from the Greek word—‘Politeuma’, meaning: a community.

    Thus, a discussion of our heavenly citizenship or conversation is a discussion of our heavenly community. So the above scripture can also be paraphrased as: “For our community is in heaven…”

    And every true believer in Jesus Christ has a present citizenship and residence in heaven. He doesn’t have to die first, before gaining admission into heaven. Heaven is his bonafide and present home. Let’s see what the scriptures say concerning this:

    But you are come unto Mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels”—Hebrews 12:22

    Now let’s consider the above scripture. It says “You are come”, not “You will come”. In other words, ‘you have come’. Where have you come? Mount Zion. Where is this Mount Zion that you have come? It is the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem.

    Then another thing worthy of note in the above scripture is that the “you” used in the above scripture, is a plural “you”.
    Let’s consider another scripture along this line.

    But God who is rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in sins, has made us alive together with Christ, (by grace you are saved); And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus”.

    The above scripture says God has made us alive (or quickened us) together with Christ and has raised us up together and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. So here again, we see another plural word, ‘us’. We are presently seated or positioned together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.

    And where is that place, where Christ which we are seated together in, is located? It is a place and position, “Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in that which is to come”—Ephesians 1:21

    Hence, we have a present citizenship and residence in heaven, in Christ Jesus. And our placement and positioning by God, is above principality, power, might, dominion and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in that which is to come.

    Who and Who Makes Up Our Heavenly Community?

    From the book of Hebrews 12: 20-24 we see that in this Mount Zion, the City of the Living God (The Heavenly Jerusalem) which we have come unto, the major occupants are: God, The Judge of all; Jesus, The Mediator of the new covenant; an innumerable company of angels, the general assembly and church of the Firstborn, written in heaven (The body of Christ, believers—Living or dead (sleeping)) and the spirits of just men made perfect…

    Such as the spirits of Abraham, the Apostle Paul, my spirit and that of every believers.

    What is The Essence of This Consciousness?

    The believer, armed with this gracious consciousness of his heavenly citizenship. And that his bonafide community and present residence is in heaven, it helps him in the following ways:


    1. God’s Presence: with this knowledge or consciousness of heavenly citizenship, the believer gains a better reality of God’s permanent presence and access. He no longer thinks God is far away somewhere, while he is here on earth.
    2. Under Watchful Eyes: The believer armed with this consciousness, gains more awareness of the fact that he is under the watchful eyes of great a great cloud of witnesses, including God--the Father, Jesus Christ, Angels and the spirits of just men made perfect. And this will enable him judge his ways.
    3. Protection Consciousness: The believer armed with this revelation of his or her heavenly citizenship; with God--The Father, Jesus Christ, Angels and spirits of just men made perfect as his companion, he is more confident and guaranteed of his infallible defence. Both spiritually and physically.
    4. Brethren Consciousness: Having known that our citizenship or community is in heaven. That every Christ believer has a bonafide heavenly citizenship. And that we are all seated together in Christ Jesus, in heavenly places. The believer should now see every believer as his brother and sister. He should now treat his fellow believer as his blood brother and sister. With true love and brotherly kindness. As fellow citizens, seated together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, no one should undermine his fellow believer or think that he is more important than anyone.
    5. Heaven Mindedness: The word of God says: “If you then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sits on the right hand of God”—Colossians 3:1. This revelation of our heavenly citizenship helps the believer fulfil the above scripture. A believer that is fully persuaded of his heavenly citizenship in his heart must definitely seek those things which are above, instead of just earthly things.
    6. Atonement Consciousness: Hebrews 12:24 tells us that in Mount Zion, the heavenly Jerusalem; where we belong now, there is the blood of sprinkling – which is the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ—speaking better things for us at all time to God for our sins. It is also speaking protection for us.
    7. Authority Consciousness: With this consciousness of our heavenly citizenship and positioning in Christ Jesus, we are now more confident of our unchallengeable and undefeatable authority in Christ Jesus. So when we do deal with the devil and his agents, we look from up-down position on them. We don’t magnify or fear them in anyway. We just authoritatively deal with them in the name of Jesus.

    So here you have it. You are a present and bonafide resident citizen of the celestial city in Christ Jesus. And you do have immediate access to all the above (and more) citizenship privileges. So believe it, confess it and act it. And you will definitely experience it in the mighty name of Jesus Christ!

    Remain Blessed!

    Emeke Odili
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    Re: Our Heavenly Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by emekrus View Post
    “For our citizenship is in heaven; from which also we look for the savior, the Lord Jesus Christ: who shall change our humble body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working by which he is able even to subdue all things unto himself”—Philippians 3:20-21

    The word ‘citizenship’ in the above scripture, is the same word translated in the King James Version of the bible as “Conversation”. And it was translated from the Greek word—‘Politeuma’, meaning: a community.
    Politeuma is not a community but means a citizenship. (Greek for citizen is polites) so you are not correct in your translation as is the KJV. Philippi was as it were a suburb of Rome and had nothing to do with the Macedonian laws. Any new law for Rome was automatically a new law for Philippi even though it was miles apart.

    Although I agree with some of what you say, your remark about Mount Zion is in error as well. This term only occurs in the O.T. not in Hebrews there it says Mount Sion. Many believe these are two different things but they are the same, it is a matter of translation (Hebrew — Greek). Nowhere in Scripture is this mount another name for the Heavenly Jerusalem. The quote you refer to says: « But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem ... » which are two different spheres, hence the « and ».

    You also seem to be unaware that the Lord prepares three groups in the current dispensation:

    1. Child of God (Regenerated) John 1:12
    2. Son of God (New creation) 2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 6:15
    3. Adult man Eph. 4:13

    To each different things are said and taught which most do not see, hence the confusion in their teaching.

    Aristarkos

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    Re: Our Heavenly Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Aristarkos View Post
    Politeuma is not a community but means a citizenship. (Greek for citizen is polites) so you are not correct in your translation as is the KJV. Philippi was as it were a suburb of Rome and had nothing to do with the Macedonian laws. Any new law for Rome was automatically a new law for Philippi even though it was miles apart.

    Although I agree with some of what you say, your remark about Mount Zion is in error as well. This term only occurs in the O.T. not in Hebrews there it says Mount Sion. Many believe these are two different things but they are the same, it is a matter of translation (Hebrew — Greek). Nowhere in Scripture is this mount another name for the Heavenly Jerusalem. The quote you refer to says: « But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem ... » which are two different spheres, hence the « and ».

    You also seem to be unaware that the Lord prepares three groups in the current dispensation:

    1. Child of God (Regenerated) John 1:12
    2. Son of God (New creation) 2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 6:15
    3. Adult man Eph. 4:13


    To each different things are said and taught which most do not see, hence the confusion in their teaching.

    Aristarkos
    So, in your interpretation, do you believe that a Child , or Son will become a citizen ? Or only the Adult man ?

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    Re: Our Heavenly Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Pbminimum View Post
    So, in your interpretation, do you believe that a Child , or Son will become a citizen ? Or only the Adult man ?
    Of course only the adult man, it is to this group this letter is addressed.

    Aristarkos

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    Re: Our Heavenly Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Aristarkos View Post
    Of course only the adult man, it is to this group this letter is addressed.

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    So a Child of God, and a Son of God are not God's ? They will not obtain heavenly citizenship ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pbminimum View Post
    So a Child of God, and a Son of God are not God's ? They will not obtain heavenly citizenship ?
    Well, according to common belief they are under the New Covenant and get the land of Israel, why would they be bothered with heaven? Or am I mistaken here?

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    Re: Our Heavenly Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Aristarkos View Post
    Well, according to common belief they are under the New Covenant and get the land of Israel, why would they be bothered with heaven? Or am I mistaken here?

    Aristarkos
    I don't know if you remember it Aristarkos, but we've been down this road before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pbminimum View Post
    I don't know if you remember it Aristarkos, but we've been down this road before.
    I know, but you were asking the question.

    Aristarkos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristarkos View Post
    I know, but you were asking the question.

    Aristarkos
    I believe that A Child of God , a Son of God, and a Man of God are all going to the same destination which is heaven. I know you believe differently , and honestly this has been done before. God bless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pbminimum View Post
    I believe that A Child of God , a Son of God, and a Man of God are all going to the same destination which is heaven. I know you believe differently , and honestly this has been done before. God bless.
    God bless you to PB.

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    Re: Our Heavenly Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by emekrus View Post
    “For our citizenship is in heaven; from which also we look for the savior, the Lord Jesus Christ: who shall change our humble body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working by which he is able even to subdue all things unto himself”—Philippians 3:20-21

    The word ‘citizenship’ in the above scripture, is the same word translated in the King James Version of the bible as “Conversation”. And it was translated from the Greek word—‘Politeuma’, meaning: a community.

    Thus, a discussion of our heavenly citizenship or conversation is a discussion of our heavenly community. So the above scripture can also be paraphrased as: “For our community is in heaven…”

    And every true believer in Jesus Christ has a present citizenship and residence in heaven. He doesn’t have to die first, before gaining admission into heaven. Heaven is his bonafide and present home. Let’s see what the scriptures say concerning this:

    But you are come unto Mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels”—Hebrews 12:22

    Now let’s consider the above scripture. It says “You are come”, not “You will come”. In other words, ‘you have come’. Where have you come? Mount Zion. Where is this Mount Zion that you have come? It is the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem.
    I would like to stop right here and work out the correct context of this portion of Scripture in the Letter written to the Hebrews.

    The context of chapter 12 rests on chapters 7-11. Beginning with chapter 7 and onward there are several themes being used to explain the nature of the relationship between the physical and the spiritual aspects - i.e. the visible to the invisible. The writer of Hebrews uses the comparisons and contrasts between the orders of the High Priest and between the Earthly Tabernacle and the heavenly one - and also between the Mosaic covenant and the New Covenant.

    The context of Hebrews chapter 12 rests on those contrasts and uses a Biblical (and Jewish exegesis) instrument known as "Qal va-Komer (light and heavy, usually expressed as "how much more....".

    As believers in Jesus, we are participants of the first fruits of the New Covenant that Moses and the prophets prophesied about. The writer wants us to understand that something profound has happened - that we are part of the New Covenant.

    The entire exegesis of writer of Hebrews employs "Qal-va Homer" in his (her?) exegesis.

    The original audience understood that if a covenant instituted through Moses and earthly priests who need to atone for their sins before atoning for Israel's sins is fearsome and worthy of much reverence....how much more.....is our High Priest making intercession not in a Tent (basically) build with human hands, and not through human High Priest who is a sinner but God (Jesus) as High Priest - how much more reverence we should give and how much more we should fear trampling on His blood than the blood of bulls.

    So let's review the entire Scripture portion and the context will stand out:

    "For you have not come to a mountain that might be touched, and that burned with fire, and to blackness, darkness, storm, the sound of a shofar, and the voice of words; which those who heard it begged that not one more word should be spoken to them, for they could not stand that which was commanded. "If even an animal touches the mountain, it shall be stoned," and so fearful was the appearance, that Moses said, "I am terrified and trembling."

    But you have come to Mount Zion, and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable multitudes of angels, to the general assembly and assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just man made perfect, to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better than that of Abel. See that you don't refuse Him who speaks. For if they didn't escape when they refused him who warned on Earth, HOW MUCH MORE will we not escape who turn away form him who warns from heaven, whose voice shook the earth then, but now he was promised, saying, "Yet once more I will shake not only the earth, but also the heavens."

    All the saints, Enoch and Elijah had the same "green card" we have...with some differences; Christians are written in the Lamb's Book of Life which is a study in and of itself. Enoch and Elijah still need to come into the world, die and be resurrected; no doubt they will be witnesses to Jesus The Messiah when they return.

    But Hebrews chapter 11 pretty much addresses who will partake in citizenship.
    Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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    Re: Our Heavenly Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Aristarkos View Post
    Politeuma is not a community but means a citizenship. (Greek for citizen is polites) so you are not correct in your translation as is the KJV. Philippi was as it were a suburb of Rome and had nothing to do with the Macedonian laws. Any new law for Rome was automatically a new law for Philippi even though it was miles apart.

    Although I agree with some of what you say, your remark about Mount Zion is in error as well. This term only occurs in the O.T. not in Hebrews there it says Mount Sion. Many believe these are two different things but they are the same, it is a matter of translation (Hebrew — Greek). Nowhere in Scripture is this mount another name for the Heavenly Jerusalem. The quote you refer to says: « But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem ... » which are two different spheres, hence the « and ».

    You also seem to be unaware that the Lord prepares three groups in the current dispensation:

    1. Child of God (Regenerated) John 1:12
    2. Son of God (New creation) 2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 6:15
    3. Adult man Eph. 4:13

    To each different things are said and taught which most do not see, hence the confusion in their teaching.

    Aristarkos
    Here is the exact Strong's Exhaustive Concordance meaning of the word translated as 'conversation' in the new testament:

    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    citizenship, community, conversation.
    From politeuomai; a community, i.e. (abstractly) citizenship (figuratively) -- conversation.

    Forms and Transliterations
    πολιτευμα πολίτευμα politeuma políteuma

    Then let me also clarify that Mount Zion(Or Mount Sion) and Heavenly Jerusalem are not two different spheres. Mount Zion or Sion is a place in the Heavenly Jerusalem, the City of the Living God. It is the residential place of God. And that is where his throne is located (See Isaiah 8:18).

    Then also, The Apostle John in his Revelation, saw The Lord Jesus Christ (The Lamb) and the One Hundred and Forty-Four Thousand Saints standing on this same Mount Sion (Revelation 14:1-3). From the context of this scripture, it is obvious that the throne of God is in Mount Sion where The Lamb stood with the 144,000.
    Emeke Odili is a Christian Teacher, Preacher, Author, Writer and Blogger. He has a divinely given vision of practically teaching people how to make success in life through absolute righteousness and faith. Emeke is married to his best friend, Joy. He shares life-transforming articles at his blog: www.righteousfaith.wordpress.com

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    Re: Our Heavenly Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by emekrus View Post
    Here is the exact Strong's Exhaustive Concordance meaning of the word translated as 'conversation' in the new testament:

    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    citizenship, community, conversation.
    From politeuomai; a community, i.e. (abstractly) citizenship (figuratively) -- conversation.

    Forms and Transliterations
    πολιτευμα πολίτευμα politeuma políteuma

    Then let me also clarify that Mount Zion(Or Mount Sion) and Heavenly Jerusalem are not two different spheres. Mount Zion or Sion is a place in the Heavenly Jerusalem, the City of the Living God. It is the residential place of God. And that is where his throne is located (See Isaiah 8:18).

    Then also, The Apostle John in his Revelation, saw The Lord Jesus Christ (The Lamb) and the One Hundred and Forty-Four Thousand Saints standing on this same Mount Sion (Revelation 14:1-3). From the context of this scripture, it is obvious that the throne of God is in Mount Sion where The Lamb stood with the 144,000.
    The first word in strong is still « citizenship » which is what it is. Could you point me to a Scripture that says that Mount Sion is part of the Heavenly Jerusalem? What context are you talking about? The Lamb (a earthly title) is on Mount Sion in Israel with the 144.000, most of the Revelation is about the day of the Lord and that is the judgment day on Earth. But you can believe as you please.

    Aristarkos

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    Re: Our Heavenly Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Aristarkos View Post
    The first word in strong is still « citizenship » which is what it is. Could you point me to a Scripture that says that Mount Sion is part of the Heavenly Jerusalem? What context are you talking about? The Lamb (a earthly title) is on Mount Sion in Israel with the 144.000, most of the Revelation is about the day of the Lord and that is the judgment day on Earth. But you can believe as you please.

    Aristarkos
    Well, if you can't believe every other thing at least believe that you are presently a bonafide citizen and resident of heaven with the saints. And that you also have access to all the privileges of heavenly citizenship. That's the major essence of this article.
    Emeke Odili is a Christian Teacher, Preacher, Author, Writer and Blogger. He has a divinely given vision of practically teaching people how to make success in life through absolute righteousness and faith. Emeke is married to his best friend, Joy. He shares life-transforming articles at his blog: www.righteousfaith.wordpress.com

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    Re: Our Heavenly Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by emekrus View Post
    Well, if you can't believe every other thing at least believe that you are presently a bonafide citizen and resident of heaven with the saints. And that you also have access to all the privileges of heavenly citizenship. That's the major essence of this article.
    I actually believe more then that, you can read about my take on it in this thread. Thank you for your time.

    Aristarkos

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