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    Are these the same (angel)?

    Revelation has 2 passages with an angel who holds the key (only one key?) to the bottomless pit.
    *[[Rev 9:1]] KJV* And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

    *[[Rev 20:1]] KJV* And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

    Are these the same angel?

    Here are 3 reasons why I ask.
    1. Was he cast out of heaven?
    2. Why, if he is the same, was he allowed to return? A wicked angel?
    3. Where is his judgment, [like unto Satan's] if he is a wicked angel?

    I, principally, see them as different, because he is said to have "fell" from heaven.

    G4098
    Original: πίπτω πέτω

    Transliteration: piptō petō

    Phonetic: pip'-to

    Thayer Definition:

    to descend from a higher place to a lower
    to fall (either from or upon)
    to be thrust down
    metaphorically to fall under judgment, came under condemnation
    to descend from an erect to a prostrate position
    to fall down
    to be prostrated, fall prostrate
    of those overcome by terror or astonishment or grief or under the attack of an evil spirit or of falling dead suddenly
    the dismemberment of a corpse by decay
    to prostrate one's self
    used of suppliants and persons rendering homage or worship to one
    to fall out, fall from, i.e. shall perish or be lost
    to fall down, fall into ruin: of buildings, walls etc.
    to be cast down from a state of prosperity
    to fall from a state of uprightness
    to perish, i.e come to an end, disappear, cease
    of virtues
    to lose authority, no longer have force
    of sayings, precepts, etc.
    to be removed from power by death
    to fail of participating in, miss a share in
    Origin: a reduplicated and contracted form of peto pet'-o, (which occurs only as an alternate in certain tenses), probably akin to G4072 through the idea of alighting

    TDNT entry: 08:41,8

    Part(s) of speech: Verb

    Strong's Definition: The first is a reduplicated and contracted form of the second (which occurs only as an alternate in certain tenses); probably akin to G4072 through the idea of alighting ; to fall (literally of figuratively): - fail, fall (down), light on.

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    The implication is that he was removed from heaven, and thus he is a wicked angel. I don't foresee that Satan and his wicked angels, once kicked out, from being allowed reentry into heaven. The Rev 20 scene is of this angel coming DOWN from heaven [to the earth] to bind Satan with a great chain in the bottomless pit. Satan, is somewhere at this time, someplace other than heaven.

    Here is what I am leaning towards in my thinking. If the implied meaning of "fell" means that it was an involuntary removal, this would imply that he didn't hit the ground standing up. In other words, he had to get up from the ground. Now look at these two verses together:

    *[[Rev 9:1]] KJV* And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

    [He fell (from heaven) unto the earth.]

    *[[Rev 13:11]] KJV* And I beheld another beast coming up OUT OF THE EARTH; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

    the meaning of "coming up"
    G305

    Original:*ἀναβαίνω

    Transliteration:*anabainō

    Phonetic:*an-ab-ah'-ee-no

    Thayer Definition:

    ascendto go upto rise, mount, be borne up, spring up

    Origin: from*G303*and the base of*G939

    TDNT entry: 09:39,9

    Part(s) of speech: Verb

    Strong's Definition: From*G303*and the base of*G939; to*go up*(literally or figuratively): - arise, ascend (up), climb (go, grow, rise, spring) up, come (up).

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    If this angel, "is cast down to the earth", then it logically follows that he must get up out of the earth. I think that the beast from the earth, the false prophet, is the star that fell from heaven. What do you think about the angel(s?) that had the key to the bottomless pit?

    Blessings
    The PuP
    Last edited by Pesachpup; Jun 13th 2018 at 06:29 PM. Reason: Added definition G305

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