View Poll Results: Are these the same angel?

Voters
4. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes, they are the same angel

    0 0%
  • No, they are different angels.

    4 100.00%
Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123
Results 31 to 39 of 39

Thread: Are these the same (angel)?

  1. #31
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Kansas City
    Posts
    4,155
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Are these the same (angel)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    They are his prisoners because they are his enemies not his followers.
    how in the world do you derive at this?


    The prisoners in the pit are not Satan's enemies....

    1 pt 3:19
    19*By which also he (Christ) went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
    20*Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

    They are the ones which followed him in rebellion...

  2. #32
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    12,950
    Blog Entries
    4

    Re: Are these the same (angel)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    how in the world do you derive at this?
    The word "prisoners".

    Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

    Not "his followers" as you errantly believe, but "his prisoners".
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

  3. #33
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Kansas City
    Posts
    4,155
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Are these the same (angel)?

    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    If he opened that house though, that makes them no longer prisoners.
    Ok. Your not like ewq1938 that believes these in prison are Satan's enemies.....those in the pit are demonic spirits. agree?

    So Satan frees those which were followers with him and were cast into prison previously.

    1 pt 3:19
    19*By which also he (Christ) went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
    20*Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

    Per Isaiah 14, it would have been better had he opened the house of his prisoners, thus set them free.
    Where do you read this in Is14?

    But if that's exactly what he did do according to you, why this wrath upon him for doing a good thing?
    How is it a good thing if Satan releases demonic spirits to go up unto the earth? Do you see what is happening here?

    In the 5th trumpet a plague of demonic spirits will infest the earth (as in Noah's time). Where do these spirits (locusts) go? Well they do not do the normal and infest green things rather they will indwell those upon the earth other than those protected by God ie the 144000. Those indwelled are not in control of themselves as they can't even kill themselves. Why does Satan do this? Well this is his future army now that he controls and gathers them to the final battle.

    Rev 16
    14*For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

  4. #34
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Kansas City
    Posts
    4,155
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Are these the same (angel)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    The word "prisoners".

    Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

    Not "his followers" as you errantly believe, but "his prisoners".
    Oh boy.......

    It does not mean he imprisoned them, why would Satan cast his own into prison? or anyone for that matter?? Did he cast good spirits which were against him? LOL.......rather these prisoners are his, part of his kingdom, following ect....which rebelled are were cast into prison by Christ.

    So tell me if they are his prisoners. Where, when , how, and why? Who are they?

    SCRIPTURE tells us this...

    1 pt 3:19
    19*By which also he (Christ) went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
    20*Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

  5. #35
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    12,950
    Blog Entries
    4

    Re: Are these the same (angel)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Oh boy.......

    It does not mean he imprisoned them....
    Yes it exactly means that. You are conflating two completely different passages in your own private Eisegesis. You think he opens the prisons when the verse says he doesn't. You think they are not those he himself imprisoned when the verse is clear they are then you mix in a verse from Rev that has nothing to do with Isa 14:17.

    There are so many errors here it's literally daunting. Sign up for some bible study courses and listen and learn from the teachers, they will sometimes be wrong but never as wrong as I have seen in this thread from your posts...your teachings/understandings are simply wrong here.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

  6. #36
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Kansas City
    Posts
    4,155
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Are these the same (angel)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    Yes it exactly means that. You are conflating two completely different passages in your own private Eisegesis. You think he opens the prisons when the verse says he doesn't. You think they are not those he himself imprisoned when the verse is clear they are then you mix in a verse from Rev that has nothing to do with Isa 14:17.

    There are so many errors here it's literally daunting. Sign up for some bible study courses and listen and learn from the teachers, they will sometimes be wrong but never as wrong as I have seen in this thread from your posts...your teachings/understandings are simply wrong here.
    So again if they are his prisoners he either cast those which followed him or those which did not. Neither makes sense. But that is common sense.

    So tell me if they are his prisoners. Where, when , how, and why? Who are they? PER SCRIPTURE.

    1 pt 3:19
    19*By which also he (Christ) went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
    20*Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water

  7. #37
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    12,950
    Blog Entries
    4

    Re: Are these the same (angel)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    So again if they are his prisoners he either cast those which followed him or those which did not. Neither makes sense. But that is common sense.

    So tell me if they are his prisoners. Where, when , how, and why? Who are they? PER SCRIPTURE.

    1 pt 3:19
    19*By which also he (Christ) went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
    20*Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water
    Repeating nonsense questions isn't going to help any nor will constant introduction of unrelated passages...."cherry picking". Lucifer's prisoners are not the same as Christ's prisoners. You are missing the very fundamentals of biblical study...others have tried to reach you on this as well.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

  8. #38
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Kansas City
    Posts
    4,155
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Are these the same (angel)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    Repeating nonsense questions isn't going to help any nor will constant introduction of unrelated passages...."cherry picking". Lucifer's prisoners are not the same as Christ's prisoners. You are missing the very fundamentals of biblical study...others have tried to reach you on this as well.
    Obviously you can't prove it with scripture......which of course I knew you could not.


    Where did you get your fundamentals in prophetic understanding?

    if you are trying to learn about prophetic understanding you will not find it in any book store. It is not learned.

    Are there so many out there which have the gift of prophecy?

  9. #39
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    12,950
    Blog Entries
    4

    Re: Are these the same (angel)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Obviously you can't prove it with scripture......which of course I knew you could not.
    I have...others have. You lost this debate long ago.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. The angel that precedes another angel?
    By divaD in forum End Times Chat
    Replies: 39
    Last Post: Jan 12th 2010, 03:41 PM
  2. Replies: 22
    Last Post: Jan 10th 2010, 12:12 PM
  3. Who is this angel in Rev 10?
    By ross3421 in forum Bible Chat
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: Dec 7th 2009, 10:42 AM
  4. God's angel
    By Daughter Kristina in forum Poetry
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: Jan 25th 2009, 07:40 PM
  5. Replies: 19
    Last Post: Nov 27th 2007, 10:11 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •