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    Please explain the Rapture to me

    For those who believe in it, anyway.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    The actual theological concept is fairly straightforward and simple: when Jesus returns, Paul states that Christians will be "caught up together in the air to meet Him" (1 Thess. 4:17) and in the process, either be reunited with our resurrected bodies, now glorified, or be transformed into our new bodies in a moment (cf. 1 Cor. 15:35-58).

    Some Christians say that this event happens "secretly" years before the return of Jesus but there is nothing in scripture that states this plainly.

    Other Christians assert that there is no rapture of the saints, but they often mean the "secret disappearance" view and not the, again, fairly straightforward explanation of the event given by Paul in the passages referenced above.
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    Twelve is the number of government. Thus, it is quite apropos that I am on my way towards wielding the power of twelve bars - each bar like, say, a tribe.....or a star.....or, maybe an apostle. A blue apostle. Like apostle smurfs. Does anyone remember smurfs? And all the controversy about them being from the devil? It's probably bad that I juxtaposed "apostle" and "smurf" in the same sentence. But then, I probably lost you at "blue apostle". Yes, my friends, this is what "rare jewel of a person" is actually implying. "Rare Jewel of a Person" really means, "Potentially Insane".

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    Thank you! That's very interesting.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    For those who believe in it, anyway.
    The Rapture comes from the Koine Greek word Harpazo that Paul used. In the Latin Vulgate they used the word Rapio, in the English bible we use the words "Caught up/Seized". They all man the same thing.

    In Christendom at least 80-85 percent believe in a Pre-tribulation Rapture, and that is because its true and he Holy Spirit has led Christians unto that understanding. Many do not understand what the Rapture entails the think people disappear, that's just not the case. When Jesus calls us to met him in the air, the Christians who are alive at that time will transform, or CHANGE in the twinkling of an eye, in other words we will DIE....We change to Spirit men, just like the dead who sleep and are raised without a body (OF COURSE ). Then we all go to heaven to be with the Lord for 7 Years. Jesus is our Groom, we are his Bride, just like God married Israel and they are His Bride. I think you are Jewish, I can't remember but anyway I think so, so I will try to give you an example of how it equates with the Jewish Wedding Pattern: I usually don't post long posts like this, but since you seem to be inquiring about Christendom a lot I think this is a good Juxtaposition to how the Jewish religion is a huge part of Christianity, but the only difference was the Jews left of what made Abraham RIGHTEOUS, Simple FAITH, and turned to the LAW....But he original Covenant, as you know, was the PROMISE of the coming SEED, the Law was added after Abraham was dead. Christianity is all about Righteousness through FAITH. When Israel repents, they will BELIEVE on Jesus, the son of God sent to take away the sins of the world...............ANYWAY.............The Jewish Wedding Pattern Below:

    The Wedding Pattern

    The Lord gave Israel seven feasts in Leviticus 23. The Lord refers to the feasts as appointed times (mowed – Strong’s H4150). Mowed means an appointed time, a specific time. Our Heavenly Father knows the End from the Beginning, and the seven specific appointed times of the seven feasts give us an outline of His overall plan and I believe that some appointed times have been, and all will be prophetically fulfilled.

    Within the Word of God is the pattern of the Church as the Bride of Christ (hereafter noted as Church) being wed to Jesus, and it is preserved to this day in the practice of the traditional Jewish wedding (hereafter noted as Jewish Wedding). This is not to say that the Church has replaced Israel in the Lord’s plan; quite the opposite. Please see Romans 11:11-18, and 11:25-26.

    There are two brides found in Scripture, and Rachel and Leah show us this. Please see Leah, the Bride, and Leah's Children.

    When I first realized the connection between the feasts and the steps of the wedding, I was troubled by the Fall Feasts. Although "Trumpets" is a favorite feast for those of us listening for the trumpet of the Lord, I could not clearly in my mind make these feasts fit the Church. The Fall Feasts seem to point to the people Israel. Therefore, when I realized there were two different brides which would be dealt with in separate manners, the pieces seemed to fit together.

    First, the Lord chose a people (Israel) that would be His bride, His wife. Several times in the Old Testament the Lord describes Israel as His wife. It all began when the Lord chose Abraham and promised him that his descendants would be a great and numerous people. But at Mount Sinai the chosen wife became adulterous and worshipped the Golden Calf. Time and again, through the prophets, the Lord called for Israel to return to Him.

    Finally, the Lord told Israel,

    "I am sought of [them that] asked not [for me]; I am found of [them that] sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation [that] was not called by my name.” - Isaiah 65:1
    Praise His name, the Lord turned to the Gentiles. In the New Testament the Church, composed of Gentiles and Jews, is also described as the Bride of the Lord Jesus, the second bride of Scripture. The Bible shows us these two brides in the same manner and pattern as the Jewish wedding, and the Jewish wedding fits the themes of the seven appointed times given by the Lord.
    The Lord gave the Children of Israel three Spring Feasts in Leviticus 23:4-14, Passover, Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits. Here is how they were fulfilled:

    Passover - Jesus paid the price for our sins when He died on the Cross. Jesus was the Lamb of God. (John 1:29) Jesus was the Passover Lamb.

    Firstfruits - The day we recognize as Resurrection Sunday is the Jewish Feast of Firstfruits. Jesus was the Firstfruits of the grave. (First Corinthians 15:20)

    Unleavened Bread - According to Scripture, “Passover Week” is the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Leavening is figurative of sin; Jesus was “unleavened,” without sin. Jesus paid the price at the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

    There is a thread of continuity that flows through the seven feasts, or appointed times, first given by the Lord. Here are the steps taken in completing the Jewish wedding and its application to the wedding of the Church to the Lord Jesus, followed by how this ties to the seven appointed feasts of Israel:

    The steps of the traditional Jewish wedding:

    1 – Selection of the Bride
    Jewish Wedding - The Son chooses the Bride – the Father makes the arrangements
    Church - John 15:16 – “You did not choose Me, but I chose you . . .”

    2 – The Bride Price established
    Jewish Wedding - The father of the bride must be reimbursed for the loss of his daughter.
    Church - I Corinthians 6:20 - “For you were bought with a price.” The Bride price was paid when Jesus died on the Cross.

    We who are saved by Jesus were sought by the Lord. (Isaiah 65:1) Jesus paid the price on Passover. The appointed times of Firstfruits and Unleavened Bread complete the picture of Jesus being resurrected and being sinless, the spotless Lamb of God.

    The Spring Feasts have all been fulfilled.

    Pentecost, or the Feast of Weeks, was the fourth appointed time given by the Lord in Leviticus 23:15-22.

    Just as the Lord deals with the Church in a separate manner from His chosen, the Jews, I strongly suspect that Pentecost, which is separate from the Spring Feasts and the Fall Feasts, is specific to the Church.

    Each year at Pentecost, Jewish synagogues read the entire Book of Ruth. The story of Ruth takes place at the wheat harvest, or Pentecost. This book is a picture of the Lord Jesus and His Gentile bride. Boaz was the kinsman-redeemer. Jesus is our Redeemer. Ruth was a Moabitess, a Gentile. The Church is the Gentile Bride. That very day, the Day of Pentecost, Boaz redeemed Ruth. The marriage is not mentioned, only the commitment, the betrothal, is recorded. The marriage of Boaz and Ruth is noted in conclusion, but not discussed.

    Boaz gave Ruth six measures of barley. A measure of barley was a day’s wages. (Revelation 6:6). I think this is a picture of mankind being paid for six millennial days’ work. The Bride, or the Church, will not have to work after six millennial days or six thousand years. According to Biblical chronology, it has been about six thousand years.

    The six measures of barley were also part of the traditional Jewish wedding Bride price. Boaz said, “Do not go to your mother-in-law empty-handed.”

    “For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.” - First Corinthians 6:20
    At the Feast of Pentecost the Bride of Christ was given the Gift of the Holy Spirit and through this Jesus committed to complete the betrothal of the Church when He comes again.

    “in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.” - Ephesians 1:13-14
    The steps of the traditional Jewish wedding:

    3 – The Betrothal
    Jewish Wedding - More than mere “engagement”, it was a permanent arrangement. Recall the story of Joseph and Mary.
    Church – The attachment of the Church to the Lord is also permanent, and forever. “This is the bread which came down from heaven--not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.” (John 6:58) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand. (John 10:28)

    4 – The Marriage Contract
    Jewish Wedding – A written agreement committing each party to the marriage.
    Church - The entire Holy Bible is our written agreement containing the promises of God. Jesus said, “If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;” (John 8:31)

    5 – The Bride must consent
    Jewish Wedding – This is not entirely an arranged marriage; the bride must agree.
    Church – “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;” (Mark 16:16) “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” (Romans 10:9)

    6 – The Bridal Gift and the Cup of the Covenant
    Jewish Wedding – A glass of wine is taken upon the signing of the contract.
    Church – Each time we gather around the Lord’s Table, we remember the “contract.” “And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament (covenant), which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Matthew 26:27-28)
    Jewish Wedding – The Bride is given a gift by the groom.
    Church - The Holy Spirit is given by Jesus –– “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” (Acts 2:38) This, of course, occurred on the Day of Pentecost.

    7 – The Ceremonial Purification of the Bride
    Jewish Wedding - The next step for the Bride after she is betrothed is a ceremonial cleansing. In Biblical times the Bride would use a Mikvah, which was pool of water, in which she would immerse herself.
    Church - Acts 2:41 – “Then those who gladly received his word were baptized (immersed); and that day about three thousand souls were added [to them].”

    The Church is an insertion in the Lord's Plan. Israel was the original bride. I believe that the Lord Jesus will come for His bride, the Church, in a separate event (the Rapture) from the Lord's return for His bride, Israel. From this point forward in the Jewish Wedding process, following the purification of the bride, in my opinion the Church will be dealt with separately in the time defined as the Church Age, or the Age of Grace. This period of time will extend from the first Day of Pentecost to the day when the Lord Jesus calls us Home.

    8 – The Groom would prepare a room for the Bride in his father’s house
    Church - John 14:3 – “I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself.”

    The father of the groom determines when the room is ready. The groom does not determine the time of the wedding. “But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” (Matthew 24:36)

    9 – The Bride is consecrated and set apart
    Church - First Peter 2:9 – “But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people.”

    10 – The Groom returns with a shout, “Behold, the bridegroom comes!”
    Church - First Thessalonians 4:16 – “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.”

    Let me insert an additional hope at this point. When the Lord Jesus comes for His Bride, the Church, we will not be totally surprised. Although the Jewish bride did not know the day or the hour, she was expectant. The Apostle Paul in speaking of “that Day” said, “But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day.” (First Thessalonians 5:4-5) Today, many in the Church are expectant and will not be totally surprised.

    11 – The Bride and Groom go to the wedding chamber.
    Church – This period when the Bride and Groom spend time together seems to show that the Bride of Jesus will be with Him in Heaven. This appears to indicate a pre-Tribulation gathering of the Church, and is described in Isaiah 26:20; “Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.” Praise the Lord!

    12 – The Marriage Supper
    Church – “‘Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.’ And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he said to me, ‘Write: Blessed [are] those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’” (The Revelation 19:7-9)

    In my opinion, the Feast of Pentecost is still being fulfilled and will be completed when the Lord Jesus comes for His bride.

    I believe that in the remaining steps of the Jewish Wedding process, the steps will be fulfilled for Israel in a separate manner.

    The next appointed time is the Feast of Trumpets. The Feast of Trumpets is a mysterious time. Of all the feasts, or appointed times, little is said of it and no scriptural reason for the feast is given. (see Leviticus 23:23-25) A trumpet (the Shofar) is blown. Trumpets make announcements. I suspect that the Feast of Trumpets will be when the Lord in some manner announces the time has come for the fulfillment of His plan for Israel.

    The steps of the traditional Jewish wedding:

    8 – The Groom would prepare a room for the Bride in his father’s house
    Jewish Wedding – In Biblical times the groom would add a room to his father’s house. At that time, families lived together.
    The father of the groom determines when the room is ready. The groom does not determine the time of the wedding.

    9 – The Bride is consecrated and set apart
    Jewish Wedding – The Bride is spoken for and belongs to no one else. Again, refer to Mary and Joseph. (Matthew 1:18-19)
    At this point in the process, the Bride is always in readiness. She does not know when the Groom will return for her. For example, see Matthew 25 – The Parable of the Ten Virgins.

    10 – The Groom returns with a shout, “Behold, the bridegroom comes!”
    Jewish Wedding – This was frequently done at midnight for surprise. Matthew 25:6 (the Parable of the Ten Virgins) – “And at midnight a cry (shout) was [heard]: ‘Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him!’”

    Scripture tells us that a prophetic day can equal a year.

    “After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, [even] forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities.” - Numbers 14:34
    The seven days the Jewish bride and groom spend in the wedding chamber appear to equate to seven prophetic years, which parallels the last seven years of Daniel’s prophecy, and is the basis for the concept of seven years of Tribulation.

    “Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.” - Daniel 9:27
    The Song of Moses, Deuteronomy 32:1-43, is a summary of the Lord’s dealings with Israel. From the summary given by Moses, and many other Scriptures, it appears that the Day of Atonement will be the Day when the Lord Jesus sets foot on the Mount of Olives and fights against all nations.
    “Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east.” - Zechariah 14:1-4

    Daniel’s last seven days (Daniel 9:27) appear to parallel the seven years of the Tribulation, while the Bride of Christ is in Heaven consummating union to Jesus Messiah and celebrating with the marriage supper. The next appointed time is the Day of Atonement. This indicates that at the end of the Tribulation, the Lord Jesus will return to redeem and make Atonement for Israel.

    The latter part of the Song of Moses is prophetic of the Last Days. The very last verse of the Song of Moses says:
    “Rejoice, O ye nations, [with] his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, [and] to his people.”

    The Hebrew word translated as “merciful” is kaphar (Strong’s H3722), and is rendered “make atonement” in the vast majority of its appearances in the Old Testament. Therefore, this verse says “He will provide atonement, for His land and His people.”

    In the Revelation, immediately following the Marriage supper of the Lamb is the Return of Jesus as King of kings and Lord of lords.
    “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. ” – Revelation 19:11-14

    Note that the “armies [which were] in heaven” were clothed in fine linen, white and clean, just like the Bride was given in the preceding verse 19:8. This identifies the “armies” as the Bride of Christ, Saints and Children of God, who will return in victory with the Lord Jesus.
    It appears that this day will be the fulfillment of the Day of Atonement.

    The next, and last, appointed time is the Feast of Tabernacles which was an eight-day event. It occurred at the time of the fall harvest, and was to be a time of joy and celebration.

    “Thou shalt observe the feast of tabernacles seven days, after that thou hast gathered in thy corn and thy wine: And thou shalt rejoice in thy feast, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite, the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that [are] within thy gates.” - Deuteronomy 16:13-14

    The word tabernacle can be a noun or a verb. The Tabernacle in the wilderness was a noun, but it was also a verb describing where the Lord dwelled, or tabernacled, with Israel. In the Kingdom Age the Lord Jesus will dwell, or tabernacle, with mankind.
    In the Deuteronomy instructions the Children of Israel are told to celebrate for seven days. In the instructions given in Leviticus 23:33-43 they are told to hold a sacred assembly on the eighth day. In the Bible, seven is the number of completion. Therefore, eight is the number of new beginnings. Noah and his family were eight persons, and represented a new beginning for mankind. A male child was to be circumcized on the eighth day, at the beginning of his life. King David, who laid the foundations for the beginning of the Kingdom of Israel, was the eighth son of Jesse. This eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacles indicates new beginnings.

    The steps of the traditional Jewish wedding:

    11 – The Bride and Groom go to the wedding chamber.
    Jewish Wedding - The marriage was consummated in the wedding chamber. The Bride and Groom stayed in that wedding chamber for seven days.

    12 – The Marriage Supper
    Jewish Wedding – A wedding feast was given for the Bride and Groom.
    After the traditional Jewish Wedding the Bride and Groom lived together. This fits the picture of the Lord living, or tabernacling, with His people in the Kingdom Age and forever!

    The Children of Israel were also instructed to live in booths or tents during this feast. This was to be a memorial of the time when the Lord delivered Israel from Egypt. The Feast of Tabernacles is about Deliverance and will be fulfilled when the Lord delivers Israel from her enemies. Then there will be a New Beginning for the Kingdom of God and His two brides.

    The prophetic parallels between the Jewish Wedding and the Church’s Biblical Wedding are simply amazing! What a wonderful picture and wonderful hope this pattern gives to those who are saved and are the Children of God. And only the God of Creation could place this pattern within and throughout the sixty-six books of His Word. Our Heavenly Father is the ultimate Wedding Planner! May His name be praised forever!

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    Re: Please explain the Rapture to me

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    For those who believe in it, anyway.
    All doctrinally-orthodox Christians believe in their eventual immortality, donning glorified bodies that will no longer sin, suffer pain, or die. The "Rapture" is the point at which this happens. Since Christians believe that Jesus himself died, was raised from the dead, and ascended into heaven to be with God, his Father, we also believe we must go to be with him at this "Rapture" event. It will be part of Jesus' return to earth, together with his glorified people, to initiate his Kingdom on earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revelation Man View Post
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    Very interesting, thank you for taking the time to hash this out. Most of it goes beyond what I was looking for, but I think you for the effort.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Re: Please explain the Rapture to me

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    Since Christians believe that Jesus himself died, was raised from the dead, and ascended into heaven to be with God, his Father, we also believe we must go to be with him at this "Rapture" event.
    Ah. Thank you for explaining.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Re: Please explain the Rapture to me

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Very interesting, thank you for taking the time to hash this out. Most of it goes beyond what I was looking for, but I think you for the effort.
    Actually its all about the Rapture matching up with the Jewish Wedding Pattern and the Feast of Leviticus. I fixed it where its a little more legible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revelation Man View Post
    Actually its all about the Rapture matching up with the Jewish Wedding Pattern and the Feast of Leviticus.
    Not sure I see all the connections or agree with them. But again, thank you for work.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Re: Please explain the Rapture to me

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Ah. Thank you for explaining.
    I would be curious to know how you, an Orthodox Jew, see this? Do not Jews believe in their eventual glorification, the donning of immortal bodies that will "never again" see corruption, death, and persecution? Do not Jews believe in the "Age to Come," in which God's Kingdom reigns on earth, disposing of all God's enemies?

    I'd like to see if the way Christians see things, and the way Jews see tings, bears any relationship? After all, we are dealing with the same Jewish Scriptures!

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    To be "raptured" is to mean "caught up" in the air with Christ at his second coming. This is a Pauline description given in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. How we are raptured is not really understood, such as if we are bodily, or even visibly raptured. When it says that the "dead in Christ shall rise first", it is not clear what form they rise in. For starters, the common view is that the souls of the dead are with Christ in heaven, without bodies. A bodily resurrection of the dead would entail Christ sending the souls back into the earth, forming bodies under the Earth, and then bringing those bodies up. Alternatively, the souls of the dead could rise from the earth, invisibly, and without bodies.

    Jesus describes the rapture at the end of Luke 17. He reiterates this description in Matthew 24. I will address the Luke passage first.

    Jesus invokes the tale of Noah's Flood, and also Sodom, in describing the escape of the saints from destruction.
    *Luke 17 (KJV)*
    29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
    30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
    31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
    32 Remember Lot's wife.
    33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
    34I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
    35Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    36Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    37And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

    Jesus essentially describes the end of the World, in which the unrighteous are destroyed but the righteous are saved.

    What Jesus says there about the body, is telling. He answers the question about where the righteous are gathered, with a cryptic picture of a dead body. In other words, He doesn't say where the people are gathered to (souls gathered) but merely that their body will be left behind.

    The lesson is clear. The mortal life is lost, the eternal life is gained. Where or how the glorified body comes is not explained.
    As the "thief" in the night, Christ is going to suddenly appear on the throne of Israel - not the antichrist.

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    Re: Please explain the Rapture to me

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    I would be curious to know how you, an Orthodox Jew, see this? Do not Jews believe in their eventual glorification, the donning of immortal bodies that will "never again" see corruption, death, and persecution?
    Yes. But if you ask me to describe what it will be like, I have no idea. At some point after the coming of the messiah, there will be the resurrection of the dead, and the world to come. But as scripture does not really talk about this, I have no firm convictions as to what this will be like.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Re: Please explain the Rapture to me

    Quote Originally Posted by Aijalon View Post
    To be "raptured" is to mean "caught up" in the air with Christ at his second coming.
    Thank you for your explanation.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Re: Please explain the Rapture to me

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Yes. But if you ask me to describe what it will be like, I have no idea. At some point after the coming of the messiah, there will be the resurrection of the dead, and the world to come. But as scripture does not really talk about this, I have no firm convictions as to what this will be like.
    I don't think we Christians can explain it either. Just consider the Pretrib Rapture Christians, who make movies and write books, depicting Christians disappearing into thin air, leaving planes unattended, crashing into the sea! This event obviously needs more explaining, though I'm not sure we have enough information to do this?

    FYI, Pretribulationism has the Rapture event taking place *at any time,* whereas Postribulationists, like myself, view the Rapture as taking place at the conclusion of the final war in this age. This age, in my theology, is to be viewed as the time in which Israel remains "Not God's People." The coming age is the reintroduction of Israel as "God's People" once again.

    This is purely a biblical characterization, and not conceived to be an anti-Semitic statement. Being "Not God's People" comes from Hosea, and indicates that Israel is not yet where she needs to be. But she will get there, I believe.

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    Re: Please explain the Rapture to me

    When the Rapture takes place is a completely different question though. Jesus Himself said that no man knows the day.

    Matthew 24:


    36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

    42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
    For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

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