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    I've heard all I can hear on Ezekiel's temple. Our Sunday morning Bible Study is completely confused, as we study this subject! I will reiterate my position here.

    Dispensationalists like to have Ezekiel's temple literally built in the Millennium, since it has never been built. I discount that because in Hebrews we read that the temple, the priesthood, and animal sacrifices have all been fulfilled at the cross.

    How then are we to read Ezekiel, particularly when we read more about the temple in the book of Revelation? Ezekiel was telling Israel a vision about 14 years after the city of Jerusalem fell. It was a vision Ezekiel had while he was in captivity. We know that because he was transported to Jerusalem to see this temple high on a mountain.

    God clearly intended to convey to Israel that they should be faithful under a temple system, and should hope for a final salvation of Israel. But He did not necessarily imply that the temple structure, along with OT figures, should be applied in the Millennium. OT symbolism had to be maintained while the Law remained in effect, even as the future salvation of Israel was asserted. The idea was to convey to Israel how they should be living under the Law such that they can achieve the hope of obedience under the Law.

    So Israel's hope is shown in the figure of OT language, indicating what obedience under the OT Law looked like. Today, we know that we only have NT obedience, which is currently the means by which Israel and all the world can be saved. Israel retains her hope, but no longer under OT forms of obedience. OT fulfillment now appears as a symbol of NT realities. That is, the book of Revelation depicts heavenly realities in the form of earthly symbols, such as existed under the OT Law.

    I might go so far as to suggest that Ezekiel's temple vision is the key to understanding the book of Revelation. It indicates that the future hope of Christianity can be conveyed using the symbols of OT hope and figures. Unless we understand this we will end up with an excessive literalism, resulting in complete confusion.

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    The basic problem with the Issue of a New Temple, is not understanding God's purposes from the beginning and what will happen to His faithful people today.

    Trying to make Ezekiel's prophesies and Revelation out to be symbolic, just leads to total confusion. We DO have a literal future, actual things will happen; there will be disasters, but that is why we hold onto God's promises; how He will protect His people. Then there are all the scriptures that tell us how we; the faithful Christian believers, are the recipients of God's Promises to the Patriarchs, through faith in God, as they had. Galatians 3:26-29 plainly states how we are now the Israelites of God, by having the same faith that Abraham had.
    There are Overcomers, the Victorious ones in each of the seven Church's of Revelation. They are a vast multitude of individuals today, from every tribe, race, nation and language, who comprise God's people. They will go to live in all of the holy Land, they will build a new Temple to the Glory of God and they will be protected and mightily blessed by God. Ezekiel 34:11-31 tells the story. It will literally happen, or God will have failed in His aim to have a faithful people in His Land.

    Will He just abandon it to His enemies? Not according to our Bibles, the source for our Salvation, that we read as a literal narrative. So to symbolize any prophecy that can be literally fulfilled, is a mistake and just leaves us without a proper knowledge of God's Plans for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    I've heard all I can hear on Ezekiel's temple. Our Sunday morning Bible Study is completely confused, as we study this subject! I will reiterate my position here.

    Dispensationalists like to have Ezekiel's temple literally built in the Millennium, since it has never been built. I discount that because in Hebrews we read that the temple, the priesthood, and animal sacrifices have all been fulfilled at the cross.

    How then are we to read Ezekiel, particularly when we read more about the temple in the book of Revelation? Ezekiel was telling Israel a vision about 14 years after the city of Jerusalem fell. It was a vision Ezekiel had while he was in captivity. We know that because he was transported to Jerusalem to see this temple high on a mountain.

    God clearly intended to convey to Israel that they should be faithful under a temple system, and should hope for a final salvation of Israel. But He did not necessarily imply that the temple structure, along with OT figures, should be applied in the Millennium. OT symbolism had to be maintained while the Law remained in effect, even as the future salvation of Israel was asserted. The idea was to convey to Israel how they should be living under the Law such that they can achieve the hope of obedience under the Law.

    So Israel's hope is shown in the figure of OT language, indicating what obedience under the OT Law looked like. Today, we know that we only have NT obedience, which is currently the means by which Israel and all the world can be saved. Israel retains her hope, but no longer under OT forms of obedience. OT fulfillment now appears as a symbol of NT realities. That is, the book of Revelation depicts heavenly realities in the form of earthly symbols, such as existed under the OT Law.

    I might go so far as to suggest that Ezekiel's temple vision is the key to understanding the book of Revelation. It indicates that the future hope of Christianity can be conveyed using the symbols of OT hope and figures. Unless we understand this we will end up with an excessive literalism, resulting in complete confusion.
    I will answer the bold only since the rest of your statements are opinions without a single scripture. Your problem is twofold.
    1. You have a preset idea which you have either force scriptures to mean, or
    2. You have problems with plain language

    Hebrews 3:1 clearly shows to whom Hebrews is written. "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus". The next verses CONTRAST this with Moses - the last Priest-King before Christ. The Book of Hebrews is written to those Christians who had renounced Moses in favor of Jesus Christ, but who were in danger, for various reasons, of returning to Moses. Thus, in the whole Book we must set the "WE" to one side, and the "THEY" to the other side. There are TWO parties involved. (1) Those who had come from Jewry to Christianity and have Christ as High Priest (Who ever lives in resurrection), and (2) those that remained in Jewry and have many High Priests because of death.

    Now, if one goes back to the grammar in Chapter 3 alone, we would find that, "WE" (of the heavenly calling) have a New High Priest - Jesus, (Heb.3:6, 14, 19 4:3, 14) CONTRASTED with "THEY" who adhered to Moses (Heb.3:10, 11 16, 18, 19). The Book of Hebrews maintains this CONTRAST and/or TWO ANTAGONISTS. And it is abundantly clear from the plain language that for "US", "the priesthood, and animal sacrifices have all been fulfilled at the cross" (not the Temple because one cannot "fulfill" a Temple). But those Hebrews who REFUSED, and do REFUSE Christ, still have the OLD WAY. That is, the fulfillment of the Offerings AND the New High Priest APPLY ONLY TO CHRISTIANS. The Temple and Offerings of Moses STILL STAND for the Jew who refuses Christ.

    Now, a False Christ is about to claim the position of God and the Messiah. 2nd Thessalonians 2:4 is quite plain. He will sit in a Temple of God's and claim to be God. This IMPLIES a future Temple in the style of that given to Moses and David. But this Temple is Desolated by this Abomination of the Beast occupying God's rightful place. This Beast is deposed by the return of Jesus (2nd Thess.2:8). Our Lord Jesus will be PHYSICALLY ON EARTH. Where then will he live to keep the rain and sun off His glorious Head? Will He move into the Temple which was polluted by the grand Imposter - the Beast? Not likely. So a New PHYSICAL TEMPLE is built in Jerusalem because;
    1. Our Lord Jesus MUST PHYSICALLY live somewhere, and God's vindication of Him demands a Palace for the Inheritor of all the earth
    2. The New Temple MUST REFLECT CHRIST'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS

    The Temple of Ezekiel MUST be built so that,
    1. our Lord Jesus, Who once had nowhere to lay His Head, will "lay His Head" in the grandest of buildings
    2. the Buildings REFLECT that which Christ has achieved. For instance, the Holy Place which contained the Showbread Altar, the Candlestick and the Altar of Incense is gone because Christ, the Bread of Life, the Light of the World and Mediator and Advocate is present. The symbols from the Old Temple have been replaced by the real thing.

    But what of the Offerings? Let is be clearly said in BOLD CAPITALS.

    JESUS CHRIST IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE OFFERING AND IS THE NEW HIGH PRIEST ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ACCEPTED HIM BY FAITH.

    Since faith is the, "substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" (Hebrews 11:1), faith ceases when Jesus is seen! The second that our Lord Jesus breaks forth from the clouds, FAITH AS A MEANS OF RECEIVING JESUS AND ALL THE ADVANTAGES THAT HE WROUGHT IS OVER! That naturally leaves ever other man on earth, whether Israelite, Englishman, Eskimo or Hittite, WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF EVER HAVING THE WORK OF CHRIST APPLIED TO HIM. After Christ bursts forth from the clouds and is seen,
    • No one can be born again
    • No one can have eternal life
    • No one can be a son of God
    • No one can have their conscience cleansed
    • No one can have their flesh cleansed

    FOR THESE ARE ALL OBTAINED BY FAITH.

    Now, if our Lord Jesus dwells in Jerusalem, and is surrounded by ALL Israel who have been resurrected and gathered from the nations (as Ezekiel predicts), and if He is served by Israelite under Zadok (Ezek.40:46 etc.), HOW CAN THESE MEN AND WOMEN BE CLEANSED IN ORDER TO DO THIS SERVICE? It is too late for faith. They remain in a flesh that has not been sanctified by our LOrd's work. Remember, they REFUSED this work of their Messiah! How then are they get ritual cleansing of the flesh! Why .... By the God ordained way of old.Hebrews 10:4 tells us that; "... it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins", so Christ dies for the "sin" and "sins" of the world (Jn.1:29; 1st Jn.2:2). But Hebrews 9:13 tells that; "... the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh"!

    That is, while Israel's sins are removed by Christ's Work, whether they like it or not (they will like it), THEIR FLESH IS STILL PROFANE. And it is the flesh that comes into contact with their Messiah Who lives AMONG them and is served by them, that must be cleansed. Thus, the Offerings of the Law are still in effect - FOR THE UNBELIEVER.

    Added to this,the nations who survive Armageddon, are obliged by the Father, to go up to Jerusalem once a year and worship Jesus (Zech.14:16). What about their flesh! They are going to have PHYSICAL AUDIENCE with the MOST HOLY ONE. Their sins are put away but what of their profane bodies? They too need the Offerings "to sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh". So the whole Priest of Aaron, under Zadok, will be occupied with ANIMAL OFFERINGS - NOT FOR THE SINS OF THESE VISITING NATIONS - BUT FOR THE CLEANSING OF THEIR FLESH.

    Thus, the grounds for Ezekiel's Temple and the grounds for the continuance of the Offerings is not only plainly said, BUT IT IS VITAL TO CHRIST'S VINDICATION BEFORE ALL MEN AND VITAL TO MAINTAIN EMMANUEL'S HOLINESS AMONG PROFANE PEOPLE during the Millennium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    The basic problem with the Issue of a New Temple, is not understanding God's purposes from the beginning and what will happen to His faithful people today.

    Trying to make Ezekiel's prophesies and Revelation out to be symbolic, just leads to total confusion. We DO have a literal future, actual things will happen; there will be disasters, but that is why we hold onto God's promises; how He will protect His people. Then there are all the scriptures that tell us how we; the faithful Christian believers, are the recipients of God's Promises to the Patriarchs, through faith in God, as they had. Galatians 3:26-29 plainly states how we are now the Israelites of God, by having the same faith that Abraham had.
    There are Overcomers, the Victorious ones in each of the seven Church's of Revelation. They are a vast multitude of individuals today, from every tribe, race, nation and language, who comprise God's people. They will go to live in all of the holy Land, they will build a new Temple to the Glory of God and they will be protected and mightily blessed by God. Ezekiel 34:11-31 tells the story. It will literally happen, or God will have failed in His aim to have a faithful people in His Land.

    Will He just abandon it to His enemies? Not according to our Bibles, the source for our Salvation, that we read as a literal narrative. So to symbolize any prophecy that can be literally fulfilled, is a mistake and just leaves us without a proper knowledge of God's Plans for us.
    Your view would be, for me, just more confusion! You don't see Israel as literally the Jewish People. Rather, for you they are symbolic of the Church of all nations! And if Israel is not Natural Israel, why then would you retain their OT Hebrew worship in the form of the OT temple?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    I will answer the bold only since the rest of your statements are opinions without a single scripture. Your problem is twofold.
    1. You have a preset idea which you have either force scriptures to mean, or
    2. You have problems with plain language

    Hebrews 3:1 clearly shows to whom Hebrews is written. "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus". The next verses CONTRAST this with Moses - the last Priest-King before Christ. The Book of Hebrews is written to those Christians who had renounced Moses in favor of Jesus Christ, but who were in danger, for various reasons, of returning to Moses. Thus, in the whole Book we must set the "WE" to one side, and the "THEY" to the other side. There are TWO parties involved. (1) Those who had come from Jewry to Christianity and have Christ as High Priest (Who ever lives in resurrection), and (2) those that remained in Jewry and have many High Priests because of death.

    Now, if one goes back to the grammar in Chapter 3 alone, we would find that, "WE" (of the heavenly calling) have a New High Priest - Jesus, (Heb.3:6, 14, 19 4:3, 14) CONTRASTED with "THEY" who adhered to Moses (Heb.3:10, 11 16, 18, 19). The Book of Hebrews maintains this CONTRAST and/or TWO ANTAGONISTS. And it is abundantly clear from the plain language that for "US", "the priesthood, and animal sacrifices have all been fulfilled at the cross" (not the Temple because one cannot "fulfill" a Temple). But those Hebrews who REFUSED, and do REFUSE Christ, still have the OLD WAY. That is, the fulfillment of the Offerings AND the New High Priest APPLY ONLY TO CHRISTIANS. The Temple and Offerings of Moses STILL STAND for the Jew who refuses Christ.

    Now, a False Christ is about to claim the position of God and the Messiah. 2nd Thessalonians 2:4 is quite plain. He will sit in a Temple of God's and claim to be God. This IMPLIES a future Temple in the style of that given to Moses and David. But this Temple is Desolated by this Abomination of the Beast occupying God's rightful place. This Beast is deposed by the return of Jesus (2nd Thess.2:8). Our Lord Jesus will be PHYSICALLY ON EARTH. Where then will he live to keep the rain and sun off His glorious Head? Will He move into the Temple which was polluted by the grand Imposter - the Beast? Not likely. So a New PHYSICAL TEMPLE is built in Jerusalem because;
    1. Our Lord Jesus MUST PHYSICALLY live somewhere, and God's vindication of Him demands a Palace for the Inheritor of all the earth
    2. The New Temple MUST REFLECT CHRIST'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS

    The Temple of Ezekiel MUST be built so that,
    1. our Lord Jesus, Who once had nowhere to lay His Head, will "lay His Head" in the grandest of buildings
    2. the Buildings REFLECT that which Christ has achieved. For instance, the Holy Place which contained the Showbread Altar, the Candlestick and the Altar of Incense is gone because Christ, the Bread of Life, the Light of the World and Mediator and Advocate is present. The symbols from the Old Temple have been replaced by the real thing.

    But what of the Offerings? Let is be clearly said in BOLD CAPITALS.

    JESUS CHRIST IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE OFFERING AND IS THE NEW HIGH PRIEST ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ACCEPTED HIM BY FAITH.

    Since faith is the, "substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" (Hebrews 11:1), faith ceases when Jesus is seen! The second that our Lord Jesus breaks forth from the clouds, FAITH AS A MEANS OF RECEIVING JESUS AND ALL THE ADVANTAGES THAT HE WROUGHT IS OVER! That naturally leaves ever other man on earth, whether Israelite, Englishman, Eskimo or Hittite, WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF EVER HAVING THE WORK OF CHRIST APPLIED TO HIM. After Christ bursts forth from the clouds and is seen,
    • No one can be born again
    • No one can have eternal life
    • No one can be a son of God
    • No one can have their conscience cleansed
    • No one can have their flesh cleansed

    FOR THESE ARE ALL OBTAINED BY FAITH.

    Now, if our Lord Jesus dwells in Jerusalem, and is surrounded by ALL Israel who have been resurrected and gathered from the nations (as Ezekiel predicts), and if He is served by Israelite under Zadok (Ezek.40:46 etc.), HOW CAN THESE MEN AND WOMEN BE CLEANSED IN ORDER TO DO THIS SERVICE? It is too late for faith. They remain in a flesh that has not been sanctified by our LOrd's work. Remember, they REFUSED this work of their Messiah! How then are they get ritual cleansing of the flesh! Why .... By the God ordained way of old.Hebrews 10:4 tells us that; "... it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins", so Christ dies for the "sin" and "sins" of the world (Jn.1:29; 1st Jn.2:2). But Hebrews 9:13 tells that; "... the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh"!

    That is, while Israel's sins are removed by Christ's Work, whether they like it or not (they will like it), THEIR FLESH IS STILL PROFANE. And it is the flesh that comes into contact with their Messiah Who lives AMONG them and is served by them, that must be cleansed. Thus, the Offerings of the Law are still in effect - FOR THE UNBELIEVER.

    Added to this,the nations who survive Armageddon, are obliged by the Father, to go up to Jerusalem once a year and worship Jesus (Zech.14:16). What about their flesh! They are going to have PHYSICAL AUDIENCE with the MOST HOLY ONE. Their sins are put away but what of their profane bodies? They too need the Offerings "to sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh". So the whole Priest of Aaron, under Zadok, will be occupied with ANIMAL OFFERINGS - NOT FOR THE SINS OF THESE VISITING NATIONS - BUT FOR THE CLEANSING OF THEIR FLESH.

    Thus, the grounds for Ezekiel's Temple and the grounds for the continuance of the Offerings is not only plainly said, BUT IT IS VITAL TO CHRIST'S VINDICATION BEFORE ALL MEN AND VITAL TO MAINTAIN EMMANUEL'S HOLINESS AMONG PROFANE PEOPLE during the Millennium.
    I really cannot buy into the idea that God retains the OT system, which was *only for Israel.* And since the temple veil was rent at the cross, I think this meant that all worship from that point on was purely perfunctory and non-legal. It was purely ritual, and not Spirit-driven.

    There is a built-in contradiction with the nations worshiping using the celebration of Tabernacles, because the nations were never under the Law and never will be. The Law celebrated Israel's exclusive national distinction, having been separated from Egypt at Passover, and having passed through the wilderness to arrive at the Promised Land. None of this was for the pagan nations, nor can it be celebrated by nations today of any religion.

    The cleansing of the "flesh" by the material elements of the Law, water, animal blood, etc. were designed as a temporary purification until Christ's eternal atonement took place. The wish was to put the flesh to death, legally, and not simply to purify it. That happened at the cross. Purifying the flesh now is meaningless for anybody.

    I don't think any system will be set up for unbelievers, nor do I think faith ceases in the Millennium, when Jesus appears at that time. Jesus' physical appearance does not eliminate faith. It certainly didn't mean that at his 1st Coming!

    I do understand that you have developed this elaborate, logical theology in order to accommodate difficult prophecies. But I think it's easier just to adopt the NT Theology, and drop all of the OT worship as "symbolism."

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    Re: ezekiel's temple #1000

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    I've heard all I can hear on Ezekiel's temple. Our Sunday morning Bible Study is completely confused, as we study this subject! I will reiterate my position here.

    Dispensationalists like to have Ezekiel's temple literally built in the Millennium, since it has never been built. I discount that because in Hebrews we read that the temple, the priesthood, and animal sacrifices have all been fulfilled at the cross.

    How then are we to read Ezekiel, particularly when we read more about the temple in the book of Revelation? Ezekiel was telling Israel a vision about 14 years after the city of Jerusalem fell. It was a vision Ezekiel had while he was in captivity. We know that because he was transported to Jerusalem to see this temple high on a mountain.

    God clearly intended to convey to Israel that they should be faithful under a temple system, and should hope for a final salvation of Israel. But He did not necessarily imply that the temple structure, along with OT figures, should be applied in the Millennium. OT symbolism had to be maintained while the Law remained in effect, even as the future salvation of Israel was asserted. The idea was to convey to Israel how they should be living under the Law such that they can achieve the hope of obedience under the Law.

    So Israel's hope is shown in the figure of OT language, indicating what obedience under the OT Law looked like. Today, we know that we only have NT obedience, which is currently the means by which Israel and all the world can be saved. Israel retains her hope, but no longer under OT forms of obedience. OT fulfillment now appears as a symbol of NT realities. That is, the book of Revelation depicts heavenly realities in the form of earthly symbols, such as existed under the OT Law.

    I might go so far as to suggest that Ezekiel's temple vision is the key to understanding the book of Revelation. It indicates that the future hope of Christianity can be conveyed using the symbols of OT hope and figures. Unless we understand this we will end up with an excessive literalism, resulting in complete confusion.
    I totally get the spiritual aspect of the Temple and its ordinances being fulfilled on the cross. But we can not ignore the PHYSICAL promises of a Temple promised to be built by Jesus Himself. Physical, I say, because Scripture Clearly indicates Jesus will have His feet on the Earth while BUILDING it. Why cant we take the literal AND the Spiritual together? Jesus did build a Church through Peter and Paul. BUT, HE Himself did not build it... That prophecy is still to come: Watch:

    Ezek 43:7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.

    Jesus does not dwell in the midst of the Children of Israel NOW... His feet are not present in Jerusalem in a temple... This is a Literal Prophecy, not Spiritual...

    2 Sam 7:11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the Lord telleth thee that he will make thee an house. 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

    Zech 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord: 13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both. 14 And the crowns shall be to Helem, and to Tobijah, and to Jedaiah, and to Hen the son of Zephaniah, for a memorial in the temple of the Lord.

    Show me in scripture where Christ is sitting on HIS throne of Glory in the Temple of the Lord up there... I see Him instead sitting on HIS FATHER's THRONE.

    Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

    Jesus is not yet seated ON HIS OWN THRONE. He sits right next to the Father IN His throne...

    Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

    The PHYSICAL part of this is that Jesus must reign over the Kingdoms of Earth. That is where the PHYSICAL Temple comes in. His reign Starts AFTER the 7th Trump sounds...

    Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

    So then, after this coronation, Jesus will return in Rev 19 with His Saints and GOD will set up His Son's Kingdom on Earth, where Jesus will build a Temple and Sit in that throne as King of Earth for 1000 years.

    Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    So then the Ezekiel Temple CLEARLY is the Temple Jesus Himself will build, after Armageddon.

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    Re: ezekiel's temple #1000

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    I really cannot buy into the idea that God retains the OT system, which was *only for Israel.* And since the temple veil was rent at the cross, I think this meant that all worship from that point on was purely perfunctory and non-legal. It was purely ritual, and not Spirit-driven.

    There is a built-in contradiction with the nations worshiping using the celebration of Tabernacles, because the nations were never under the Law and never will be. The Law celebrated Israel's exclusive national distinction, having been separated from Egypt at Passover, and having passed through the wilderness to arrive at the Promised Land. None of this was for the pagan nations, nor can it be celebrated by nations today of any religion.

    The cleansing of the "flesh" by the material elements of the Law, water, animal blood, etc. were designed as a temporary purification until Christ's eternal atonement took place. The wish was to put the flesh to death, legally, and not simply to purify it. That happened at the cross. Purifying the flesh now is meaningless for anybody.

    I don't think any system will be set up for unbelievers, nor do I think faith ceases in the Millennium, when Jesus appears at that time. Jesus' physical appearance does not eliminate faith. It certainly didn't mean that at his 1st Coming!

    I do understand that you have developed this elaborate, logical theology in order to accommodate difficult prophecies. But I think it's easier just to adopt the NT Theology, and drop all of the OT worship as "symbolism."
    That's what I said in my posting. You have trouble with basic English, and you want to fit your idea to scripture. The Bible say; "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (Heb.11:1). You say; faith is also "THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS SEEN". This is pure and simple a denial of what the Bible says. I sometimes really enjoy our exchanges but I also wonder why you bother to be here if the Bible is so wrong. It says, "NOT SEEN". You say, "SEEN". This is nothing more than a denial that the Bible is correct.

    Then, despite clear statements that the things achieved by Christ are FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE, you apply them to ALL men. C'mon bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    JESUS CHRIST IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE OFFERING AND IS THE NEW HIGH PRIEST ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ACCEPTED HIM BY FAITH.

    Since faith is the, "substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" (Hebrews 11:1), faith ceases when Jesus is seen! The second that our Lord Jesus breaks forth from the clouds, FAITH AS A MEANS OF RECEIVING JESUS AND ALL THE ADVANTAGES THAT HE WROUGHT IS OVER! That naturally leaves ever other man on earth, whether Israelite, Englishman, Eskimo or Hittite, WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF EVER HAVING THE WORK OF CHRIST APPLIED TO HIM. After Christ bursts forth from the clouds and is seen,
    • No one can be born again
    • No one can have eternal life
    • No one can be a son of God
    • No one can have their conscience cleansed
    • No one can have their flesh cleansed

    FOR THESE ARE ALL OBTAINED BY FAITH.
    One scripture defining what faith means does not constitute all that being true. Jesus said while he was here (seen), belief was still required:
    John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

    Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    To me that means His words would always apply, plus there is the New Testament (covenant) Mt 26:28 . I don't see that going away.

    I don't see anywhere in scripture that Jesus changes this. So I don't see it this way at all that you posted here. I don't think we know what it will be like when He is here again where the gospel is concerned. I don't see sacrifice starting up again either.

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    One scripture defining what faith means does not constitute all that being true. Jesus said while he was here (seen), belief was still required:
    John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

    Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    To me that means His words would always apply, plus there is the New Testament (covenant) Mt 26:28 . I don't see that going away.

    I don't see anywhere in scripture that Jesus changes this. So I don't see it this way at all that you posted here. I don't think we know what it will be like when He is here again where the gospel is concerned. I don't see sacrifice starting up again either.
    I agree. Faith does not go away, simply because Jesus appears. He will always be a "revelational" being, since he is Deity. One cannot see him as God apart from faith.

    1 Cor 13.13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

    I also disbelieve the idea of animal sacrifices for sin any longer. Hebrews, and Paul's letters, make that abundantly clear to me, and to many others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    That's what I said in my posting. You have trouble with basic English, and you want to fit your idea to scripture. The Bible say; "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (Heb.11:1). You say; faith is also "THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS SEEN". This is pure and simple a denial of what the Bible says. I sometimes really enjoy our exchanges but I also wonder why you bother to be here if the Bible is so wrong. It says, "NOT SEEN". You say, "SEEN". This is nothing more than a denial that the Bible is correct.

    Then, despite clear statements that the things achieved by Christ are FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE, you apply them to ALL men. C'mon bro.
    I don't really mean to be offensive in this. As I tell KyCyd above, faith is an eternal thing, since we must always see Christ not just as a man, but also as God. And 1 Cor 13 indicates faith, like love, lasts forever.

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    I've heard all I can hear on Ezekiel's temple. Our Sunday morning Bible Study is completely confused, as we study this subject! I will reiterate my position here.

    Dispensationalists like to have Ezekiel's temple literally built in the Millennium, since it has never been built. I discount that because in Hebrews we read that the temple, the priesthood, and animal sacrifices have all been fulfilled at the cross.

    How then are we to read Ezekiel, particularly when we read more about the temple in the book of Revelation? Ezekiel was telling Israel a vision about 14 years after the city of Jerusalem fell. It was a vision Ezekiel had while he was in captivity. We know that because he was transported to Jerusalem to see this temple high on a mountain.

    God clearly intended to convey to Israel that they should be faithful under a temple system, and should hope for a final salvation of Israel. But He did not necessarily imply that the temple structure, along with OT figures, should be applied in the Millennium. OT symbolism had to be maintained while the Law remained in effect, even as the future salvation of Israel was asserted. The idea was to convey to Israel how they should be living under the Law such that they can achieve the hope of obedience under the Law.

    So Israel's hope is shown in the figure of OT language, indicating what obedience under the OT Law looked like. Today, we know that we only have NT obedience, which is currently the means by which Israel and all the world can be saved. Israel retains her hope, but no longer under OT forms of obedience. OT fulfillment now appears as a symbol of NT realities. That is, the book of Revelation depicts heavenly realities in the form of earthly symbols, such as existed under the OT Law.

    I might go so far as to suggest that Ezekiel's temple vision is the key to understanding the book of Revelation. It indicates that the future hope of Christianity can be conveyed using the symbols of OT hope and figures. Unless we understand this we will end up with an excessive literalism, resulting in complete confusion.
    I don't know what to make of this temple thing myself. So what about an argument I have made in the past, such as the following?

    Ezekiel 44:17 And it shall come to pass, that when they enter in at the gates of the inner court, they shall be clothed with linen garments; and no wool shall come upon them, whiles they minister in the gates of the inner court, and within.


    Ezekiel 47:9*And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

    Ezekiel 47:10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

    Ezekiel 47:22 And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.

    Ezekiel 47:23 And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD.

    Isn't God the speaker in all of these verses? But if none of these things actually ever come to pass, doesn't that make God a flat out liar for claiming things shall come to pass that never do?

    Let's look at the first verse above a bit closer.

    Ezekiel 44:10 And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.
    11 Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.
    12 Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up mine hand against them, saith the Lord GOD, and they shall bear their iniquity.
    13 And they shall not come near unto me, to do the office of a priest unto me, nor to come near to any of my holy things, in the most holy place: but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed.
    14 *But I will make them keepers of the charge of the house, for all the service thereof, and for all that shall be done therein.
    15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord GOD:
    16 They shall enter into my sanctuary, and they shall come near to my table, to minister unto me, and they shall keep my charge.
    17 And it shall come to pass, that when they enter in at the gates of the inner court, they shall be clothed with linen garments; and no wool shall come upon them, whiles they minister in the gates of the inner court, and within.
    18 They shall have linen bonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen breeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.


    Have these things already come to pass then? And once again, is not the Lord God the speaker here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier_of_Faith View Post
    I totally get the spiritual aspect of the Temple and its ordinances being fulfilled on the cross. But we can not ignore the PHYSICAL promises of a Temple promised to be built by Jesus Himself. Physical, I say, because Scripture Clearly indicates Jesus will have His feet on the Earth while BUILDING it. Why cant we take the literal AND the Spiritual together? Jesus did build a Church through Peter and Paul. BUT, HE Himself did not build it... That prophecy is still to come: Watch:

    Ezek 43:7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.
    Clearly, the physical and the spiritual can coexist. In fact it did under the Old Covenant. God's presence was in the physical temple while the Law was still in play. That is both a spiritual reality and a physical reality.

    Now that God has become flesh, we still have both a spiritual reality and a physical reality. God is the spiritual reality who is now expressed in physical man.

    So the question is, Did God mean to say that Ezekiel's temple would be built, or is this some kind of reform being aimed at Israel, while they were still under the Law? We know this temple was never built. And we also know that animal sacrifices are no longer necessary as a means of atonement. My conclusion is that the Ezekiel temple was aimed at reform in the time when Israel was still under the Law.

    And this does not, in any way, undermine the projected hope of Israel for eternal fulfillment. We would simply have to see a New Covenant fulfillment of what God wished to see in Israel while they were still under the Old Covenant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier_of_Faith
    Jesus does not dwell in the midst of the Children of Israel NOW... His feet are not present in Jerusalem in a temple... This is a Literal Prophecy, not Spiritual...

    2 Sam 7:11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the Lord telleth thee that he will make thee an house. 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
    I'm not sure what you mean to say by quoting this? David's son, Solomon, built God's temple. Through the atonement that temple provided God was willing to dwell among Israel, as long as they remained true to His covenant. When they committed national apostasy, God's presence departed from the temple, and the temple was destroyed. It was not the end of Israel's hope, but it was certainly the end of an era.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier_of_Faith
    Zech 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord: 13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both. 14 And the crowns shall be to Helem, and to Tobijah, and to Jedaiah, and to Hen the son of Zephaniah, for a memorial in the temple of the Lord.
    This was symbolic of Jesus, but it was, quite literally, Zerubbabel and Joshua. They rebuilt the physical temple. I do believe it is an allusion to Christ Jesus. But its literal application was to Zerubbabel and Joshua. Many prophecies of Messiah are done through the use of symbolism and allusion. Joseph, Adam, Moses, etc. etc. were symbolic references to Jesus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier_of_Faith
    Show me in scripture where Christ is sitting on HIS throne of Glory in the Temple of the Lord up there... I see Him instead sitting on HIS FATHER's THRONE.
    Presently the temple is a heavenly temple. What that is I can't fathom. What I do know is that it is not presently an earthly temple. And I do know the book of Revelation uses OT imagery to depict the heavenly temple. Beyond this, we also know that the Church is depicted as the house of God at present. And we know God and Jesus themselves are viewed as "the temple" in the New Jerusalem.

    When we talk about God dwelling in a temple, or in His "house," I think we have to use common sense, and recognize God can't live in a house, except in the sense of His putting his token presence there. He is omnipresent, and even heaven cannot contain Him.

    And so, to dwell in a temple is God's statement regarding a covenant with men. He will dwell with them under the conditions of the temple law. We know that law is NT law today. And so I discount OT imagery, which has now been fulfilled in Christ's cross.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier_of_Faith
    Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

    Jesus is not yet seated ON HIS OWN THRONE. He sits right next to the Father IN His throne...

    Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

    The PHYSICAL part of this is that Jesus must reign over the Kingdoms of Earth. That is where the PHYSICAL Temple comes in. His reign Starts AFTER the 7th Trump sounds...
    You are conflating the throne with the temple. For me, the throne represents God's power and authority, while the temple reflects the principle of reconciliation and redemption. Since redemption was completed at the cross, I refuse to consider going back to temporary forms of atonement, such as animal sacrifices.

    I could, I suppose, accept it if God actually said it, and if it didn't mean actual atonement. But I don't see God actually saying this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier_of_Faith
    Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

    So then, after this coronation, Jesus will return in Rev 19 with His Saints and GOD will set up His Son's Kingdom on Earth, where Jesus will build a Temple and Sit in that throne as King of Earth for 1000 years.
    If the prophecy of the Branch, who builds the temple, is to be fulfilled by Jesus in the Millennium, I think it will be a different kind of temple. When OT prophecies of this salvation were given, it was all about Israel's national restoration, because at that time only Israel was God's People.

    But today, we have access to God for all nations. A temple in only one nation, Israel, does not make sense to me. It makes more sense to follow the NT concept of the international Church being God's temple in a true physical and spiritual sense. The OT temple was purely symbolic of this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier_of_Faith
    Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    So then the Ezekiel Temple CLEARLY is the Temple Jesus Himself will build, after Armageddon.
    Nothing is clear to me about that! The important thing I hang my hat on is the following.

    The temple, the sacrifices, and the priesthood under the Law were fulfilled in the atonement of Christ. The former were temporary, and the latter was eternal. Before we concoct a supposed "necessity" that Jesus come back and rebuild a physical temple with animal sacrifices, we have to deal with the following...

    Heb 8.1Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.
    3 Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” 6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

    Heb 10.1The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. 4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

    Heb 7.11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

    Please note that in Heb 8.5 above Moses patterned his temple of the Law upon a vision high up on the mountain. Both the Ezekiel vision and the Revelation vision revealed a picture of something high up on a mountain. That seems to indicate that these things were representative of *heavenly realities,* and not the complete picture of their final reality on earth.

    Rev 21.10
    And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kyCyd View Post
    One scripture defining what faith means does not constitute all that being true. Jesus said while he was here (seen), belief was still required:
    John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

    Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    To me that means His words would always apply, plus there is the New Testament (covenant) Mt 26:28 . I don't see that going away.

    I don't see anywhere in scripture that Jesus changes this. So I don't see it this way at all that you posted here. I don't think we know what it will be like when He is here again where the gospel is concerned. I don't see sacrifice starting up again either.
    Then I present you with this for your consideration. The Passover is part of the Covenant of Sinai with Israel (2nd Ki.23:21). Our Lord Jesus, a man under Law, killed and ate the Passover. In Luke 22:7-18 we read of the Lord feasting the last Passover He would before His death the same day. In this passage it reads;

    7 "Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.
    8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat."


    That it was an animal sacrifice is clear by the words "kill" and then "eat". And the following verses confirm it. Then in verses 15-16 He says;

    15 "And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
    16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God."


    Now, the Greek, and English are clear. The Lord would not "kill" and "eat" of the Passover UNTIL He was established as King of the earth in God's Kingdom predicted by Daniel. The word "until" means that a period of time will pass, and God's Kingdom would be installed AND THEN HE AGAIN WOULD KILL AND EAT THE PASSOVER.

    Added to this, the Passover of Israel being established as a part of the Law of Moses, and/or the Covenant of Sinai, will only pass when the Old heavens and the earth are destroyed - which is at the end of the Millennium. In Matthew 5:17-19 it is;

    17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
    18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."


    Added to this, the Feast of Tabernacles is regulated by the Law of Sinai. In Leviticus 23:33-37 it says;

    33 "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
    34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
    35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
    36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
    37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day."


    In Zechariah 14:16, 18-19 the nations who survive Armageddon must go up year by year to Jerusalem TO FEAST THE FEAT OF TABERNACLES! Not only will the Jews offer and offering by fire, a burnt offering - a sacrifice, but the nations must do it too.

    Animal sacrifices MUST CONTINUE to the end of the Millennium. My posting only gave the REASON.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    I agree. Faith does not go away, simply because Jesus appears. He will always be a "revelational" being, since he is Deity. One cannot see him as God apart from faith.

    1 Cor 13.13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

    I also disbelieve the idea of animal sacrifices for sin any longer. Hebrews, and Paul's letters, make that abundantly clear to me, and to many others.
    A further proof that you ignore both scripture and what other men write. In my fourth to last paragraph of my first posting in this thread I wrote;

    Walls Posting #3, fourth last paragraph;
    Now, if our Lord Jesus dwells in Jerusalem, and is surrounded by ALL Israel who have been resurrected and gathered from the nations (as Ezekiel predicts), and if He is served by Israelite under Zadok (Ezek.40:46 etc.), HOW CAN THESE MEN AND WOMEN BE CLEANSED IN ORDER TO DO THIS SERVICE? It is too late for faith. They remain in a flesh that has not been sanctified by our LOrd's work. Remember, they REFUSED this work of their Messiah! How then are they get ritual cleansing of the flesh! Why .... By the God ordained way of old.Hebrews 10:4 tells us that; "... it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins", so Christ dies for the "sin" and "sins" of the world (Jn.1:29; 1st Jn.2:2). But Hebrews 9:13 tells that; "... the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh"!
    You have chosen to COMPLETELY IGNORE THAT, and introduced your own thoughts. That, my friend, is NOT a MISTAKE. It is a wilful misrepresentation. I wonder who puts such thoughts in your head?

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    Your view would be, for me, just more confusion! You don't see Israel as literally the Jewish People. Rather, for you they are symbolic of the Church of all nations! And if Israel is not Natural Israel, why then would you retain their OT Hebrew worship in the form of the OT temple?
    No, I do not see the Jewish State of Israel as the Israelites of God. Romans 2:29 is the indisputable proof of this, along with Revelation 2:9 and all the scriptures that tell us of the forthcoming Judgement of Judah, where only a remnant will survive. Romans 9:27
    They are in fact, symbolic of all the apostate, atheistic and ungodly peoples of the world.

    Thanks Walls, for your good post on the truth of a new Temple and its use.

    When the Lord’s righteous people go to live in all of the Holy Land, who will include the holy seed of Judah, Isaiah 6:11-13, all the faithful Christians, from every tribe, race, nation and language; soon after it is cleared and cleansed by the Lord’s Day of wrath against the nations, Ezekiel 34:11-31, they will build a new Temple in Jerusalem. Many Old Testament prophesies attest to this, how it will be built by men from far away, Zechariah 6:15, and it will be greater than the former ones. Haggai 2:9
    The New Testament too, makes it clear there will be a Temple, 2 Thess. 2:4, Rev. 11:1-2, built before Jesus Returns and will exist until the end of the Millennium, when God Himself will be the Temple. Revelation 21:22

    We are told that during this Church era, Christ is our high priest and we are the spiritual Temple, 2 Cor. 6:16 and no sacrifices are required. Hosea 9:4
    Hebrews 9 & 10:1-21 are scriptures that clearly tell us that Jesus made the once and forever sacrifice for the expiation of our sins. Now there is no Temple and Christians are His ‘body’ on earth. This is just for the time from the early church until the new Temple is built, when there will again be offerings and thanksgiving gifts made by the Lord’s holy people. Daniel 12:1, Revelation 7:9-14

    Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 9:26-27 tells us how, in the last days, an invading leader will make a peace treaty with the holy people, but will break it and put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings. Obviously there will be sacrifices and offerings taking place, for him to stop them.
    This is confirmed by the prophesies detailing how it will be during the period the righteous people of God will be living the Land before the Return of Jesus:

    Psalm 51:18-19 Now Lord, show Your favour to Zion and rebuild Jerusalem. Then You will delight in the appointed sacrifices, young bulls will be offered in Your altar.
    Jeremiah 17:24-26 Now, if you obey the Lord’s Commandments, then a ruler will again occupy David’s throne and Jerusalem will be inhabited forever. Then people will come bringing whole offerings, sacrifices as thank offerings to the Lord’s House.
    Jeremiah 33:14-18 The days are coming when I shall bless Judah and Israel…….there will always be a Levitical Priest to burn the grain and other offerings every day.
    Ezekiel 45:13-25 The details of and the dates for making all the sacrifices and offerings on the Altar of the Temple.
    Zechariah 14:21…all who come to make sacrifice will use the holy pots in Jerusalem to boil the flesh of the sacrifice……
    Isaiah 60:6-7 Livestock in droves will be in the Land to serve your needs, as acceptable offerings on My Altar and I will adorn My glorious Temple.

    The context of these scriptures proves that all this will be for the last days’ period before the Return of Jesus. What will happen during the Millennium isn’t told to us, although there will be priest’s then. Revelation 20:6 But we know there will be no Temple in Eternity. Revelation 21:22
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