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    Are we imbalanced eschatomaniacs in the 21st century church?

    This is long. I’m sorry. I hope it’s interesting.

    That’s my question. Are we imbalanced eschatomaniacs in the 21st century church?

    End Times Chat (ETC) is probably the busiest forum here. Mods might be able to tell differently, but when I look at recently updated threads and scan the right hand column often perhaps 75% or more are in ETC.

    In 1987, at the age of 16, I thought I was an expert on the book of Revelation. I was obsessed with the book. But, I was a teen. Metal bands spoke of 666 and quoted Revelation on their albums. Furthermore, I’d read at least four books by Hal Lindsey. I was pretty sure I got saved in the nick of time a year earlier.

    88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988.
    The Final Shout: Rapture Report (1989).
    23 Reasons Why a Pre-Tribulation Rapture Looks Like It Will Occur on Rosh-Hashanah 1993.
    And Now the Earth’s Destruction by Fire, Nuclear Bomb Fire (1994).

    I read none of those.

    Harold Camping failed multiple times.


    I spiritually grew up in Calvary Chapel. Calvary, God bless them, is fascinated with eschatology. A lot of cassettes/CDs/MP3s cannot be shared anymore because they guessed “within 20 years” yada, yada, yada.

    They still do prophecy updates. A friend/good acquaintance is doing prophecy updates weekly.

    “A geneation is 40 years.”

    1948 - 1988. Nope.
    1967 - 2007. Nope.

    I notice how simple the church has been in the past about their eschatology.

    Apostles Creed

    He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
    I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.

    Nicene Creed

    he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
    He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end........
    We look for the resurrection of the dead,
    and the life of the world to come. Amen.

    Pretty simple.


    A thousand years later, the Westminster Confession and 1689 Baptist Confession weren’t much more complicated.

    I’ll quote the Baptist.

    CHAPTER 31Of the State of Man after Death, And of the Resurrection of the Dead
    1. The bodies of men after death return to dust, and see corruption; but their souls, which neither die nor sleep, having an immortal subsistence, immediately return to God who gave them. The souls of the righteous being then made perfect in holiness, are received into paradise, where they are with Christ, and behold the face of God in light and glory, waiting for the full redemption of their bodies; and the souls of the wicked are cast into hell; where they remain in torment and utter darkness, reserved to the judgment of the great day; besides these two places, for souls separated from their bodies, the Scripture acknowledges none.
    2. At the last day, such of the saints as are found alive, shall not sleep, but be changed; and all the dead shall be raised up with the selfsame bodies, and none other; although with different qualities, which shall be united again to their souls forever.
    3. The bodies of the unjust shall, by the power of Christ, be raised to dishonor; the bodies of the just, by His Spirit, unto honor, and be made conformable to His own glorious body.

    CHAPTER 32
    Of the Last Judgment
    1. God has appointed a day wherein he will judge the world in righteousness, by Jesus Christ; to whom all power and judgment is given of the Father; in which day, not only the apostate angels shall be judged, but likewise all persons that have lived upon the earth shall appear before the tribunal of Christ, to give an account of their thoughts, words, and deeds, and to receive according to what they have done in the body, whether good or evil.
    2. The end of God’s appointing this day, is for the manifestation of the glory of His mercy, in the eternal salvation of the elect; and of His justice, in the eternal damnation of the reprobate, who are wicked and disobedient; for then shall the righteous go into everlasting life, and receive that fullness of joy and glory with everlasting rewards, in the presence of the Lord; but the wicked, who do not know God, and do not obey the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast aside into everlasting torments, and punished with everlasting destruction, from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power.
    3. As Christ would have us to be certainly persuaded that there shall be a day of judgment, both to deter all men from sin, and for the greater consolation of the godly in their adversity, so will he have the day unknown to men, that they may shake off all carnal security, and be always watchful, because they know not at what hour the Lord will come, and may ever be prepared to say, Come Lord Jesus; come quickly. Amen.


    While I think it’s fine to study millennial and rapture views, and I do, and I have views and opinions, I can’t help but think we should be simpler and less focused on the future of which none of us really know other than the little God has shared and a couple thousand pounds of conjecture and speculation.

    The Bible has so much more about justification and sanctification. And I find that more interesting anyway.

    Grace & peace to all.
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    Re: Are we imbalanced eschatomaniacs in the 21st century church?

    Quote Originally Posted by TrustGzus View Post
    This is long. I’m sorry. I hope it’s interesting.

    That’s my question. Are we imbalanced eschatomaniacs in the 21st century church?

    End Times Chat (ETC) is probably the busiest forum here. Mods might be able to tell differently, but when I look at recently updated threads and scan the right hand column often perhaps 75% or more are in ETC.

    In 1987, at the age of 16, I thought I was an expert on the book of Revelation. I was obsessed with the book. But, I was a teen. Metal bands spoke of 666 and quoted Revelation on their albums. Furthermore, I’d read at least four books by Hal Lindsey. I was pretty sure I got saved in the nick of time a year earlier.

    88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988.
    The Final Shout: Rapture Report (1989).
    23 Reasons Why a Pre-Tribulation Rapture Looks Like It Will Occur on Rosh-Hashanah 1993.
    And Now the Earth’s Destruction by Fire, Nuclear Bomb Fire (1994).

    I read none of those.

    Harold Camping failed multiple times.


    I spiritually grew up in Calvary Chapel. Calvary, God bless them, is fascinated with eschatology. A lot of cassettes/CDs/MP3s cannot be shared anymore because they guessed “within 20 years” yada, yada, yada.

    They still do prophecy updates. A friend/good acquaintance is doing prophecy updates weekly.

    “A geneation is 40 years.”

    1948 - 1988. Nope.
    1967 - 2007. Nope.

    I notice how simple the church has been in the past about their eschatology.

    Apostles Creed

    He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
    I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.

    Nicene Creed

    he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
    He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end........
    We look for the resurrection of the dead,
    and the life of the world to come. Amen.

    Pretty simple.


    A thousand years later, the Westminster Confession and 1689 Baptist Confession weren’t much more complicated.

    I’ll quote the Baptist.

    CHAPTER 31Of the State of Man after Death, And of the Resurrection of the Dead
    1. The bodies of men after death return to dust, and see corruption; but their souls, which neither die nor sleep, having an immortal subsistence, immediately return to God who gave them. The souls of the righteous being then made perfect in holiness, are received into paradise, where they are with Christ, and behold the face of God in light and glory, waiting for the full redemption of their bodies; and the souls of the wicked are cast into hell; where they remain in torment and utter darkness, reserved to the judgment of the great day; besides these two places, for souls separated from their bodies, the Scripture acknowledges none.
    2. At the last day, such of the saints as are found alive, shall not sleep, but be changed; and all the dead shall be raised up with the selfsame bodies, and none other; although with different qualities, which shall be united again to their souls forever.
    3. The bodies of the unjust shall, by the power of Christ, be raised to dishonor; the bodies of the just, by His Spirit, unto honor, and be made conformable to His own glorious body.

    CHAPTER 32
    Of the Last Judgment
    1. God has appointed a day wherein he will judge the world in righteousness, by Jesus Christ; to whom all power and judgment is given of the Father; in which day, not only the apostate angels shall be judged, but likewise all persons that have lived upon the earth shall appear before the tribunal of Christ, to give an account of their thoughts, words, and deeds, and to receive according to what they have done in the body, whether good or evil.
    2. The end of God’s appointing this day, is for the manifestation of the glory of His mercy, in the eternal salvation of the elect; and of His justice, in the eternal damnation of the reprobate, who are wicked and disobedient; for then shall the righteous go into everlasting life, and receive that fullness of joy and glory with everlasting rewards, in the presence of the Lord; but the wicked, who do not know God, and do not obey the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast aside into everlasting torments, and punished with everlasting destruction, from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power.
    3. As Christ would have us to be certainly persuaded that there shall be a day of judgment, both to deter all men from sin, and for the greater consolation of the godly in their adversity, so will he have the day unknown to men, that they may shake off all carnal security, and be always watchful, because they know not at what hour the Lord will come, and may ever be prepared to say, Come Lord Jesus; come quickly. Amen.


    While I think it’s fine to study millennial and rapture views, and I do, and I have views and opinions, I can’t help but think we should be simpler and less focused on the future of which none of us really know other than the little God andnhas shared and a couple thousand pounds of conjecture and speculation.

    The Bible has so much more about justification and sanctification. And I find that more interesting anyway.

    Grace & peace to all.
    Great post.
    I have warmed to the more simpler approach these last few years.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Re: Are we imbalanced eschatomaniacs in the 21st century church?

    So TrustGzus, you recommend that we just ignore about a quarter of our Bibles?
    I know that is what most pastors do now, as you say; concentrate on justification and sanctification. But is it right to virtually ignore so much scripture?

    2 Peter 1:19 tells us we do well to study the prophets and Paul says we Christians should not be in the dark about what will happen. 1 Thess 5:4
    I know that the Prophetic Word is difficult to comprehend and is placed by most into the too hard basket. The Day will come, when we will all come face to face with the Lord. He just may ask: Why didn't you make a effort to understand what My prophets told you would happen. Why did you believe teachers that promoted false theories and unscriptural fables? 2 Timothy 4:3-4

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    Concerning a generation..

    The Hebrews seem to have reckoned time by the generation. In the time of Abraham a generation was an hundred years, thus: Genesis 15:16 , "In the fourth generation" = in four hundred years (Compare verse 13 and Exodus 12:40 ). In Deuteronomy 1:35 and 2:14 a generation is a period of thirty-eight years.

    https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/generation/

    I've always looked at a generation to be somewhere around a hundred years..


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    Quote Originally Posted by TrustGzus View Post
    This is long. I’m sorry. I hope it’s interesting.

    That’s my question. Are we imbalanced eschatomaniacs in the 21st century church?

    End Times Chat (ETC) is probably the busiest forum here. Mods might be able to tell differently, but when I look at recently updated threads and scan the right hand column often perhaps 75% or more are in ETC.

    In 1987, at the age of 16, I thought I was an expert on the book of Revelation. I was obsessed with the book. But, I was a teen. Metal bands spoke of 666 and quoted Revelation on their albums. Furthermore, I’d read at least four books by Hal Lindsey. I was pretty sure I got saved in the nick of time a year earlier.

    88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988.
    The Final Shout: Rapture Report (1989).
    23 Reasons Why a Pre-Tribulation Rapture Looks Like It Will Occur on Rosh-Hashanah 1993.
    And Now the Earth’s Destruction by Fire, Nuclear Bomb Fire (1994).

    I read none of those.

    Harold Camping failed multiple times.


    I spiritually grew up in Calvary Chapel. Calvary, God bless them, is fascinated with eschatology. A lot of cassettes/CDs/MP3s cannot be shared anymore because they guessed “within 20 years” yada, yada, yada.

    They still do prophecy updates. A friend/good acquaintance is doing prophecy updates weekly.

    “A geneation is 40 years.”

    1948 - 1988. Nope.
    1967 - 2007. Nope.

    I notice how simple the church has been in the past about their eschatology.

    Apostles Creed

    He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
    I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.

    Nicene Creed

    he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
    He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end........
    We look for the resurrection of the dead,
    and the life of the world to come. Amen.

    Pretty simple.


    A thousand years later, the Westminster Confession and 1689 Baptist Confession weren’t much more complicated.

    I’ll quote the Baptist.

    CHAPTER 31Of the State of Man after Death, And of the Resurrection of the Dead
    1. The bodies of men after death return to dust, and see corruption; but their souls, which neither die nor sleep, having an immortal subsistence, immediately return to God who gave them. The souls of the righteous being then made perfect in holiness, are received into paradise, where they are with Christ, and behold the face of God in light and glory, waiting for the full redemption of their bodies; and the souls of the wicked are cast into hell; where they remain in torment and utter darkness, reserved to the judgment of the great day; besides these two places, for souls separated from their bodies, the Scripture acknowledges none.
    2. At the last day, such of the saints as are found alive, shall not sleep, but be changed; and all the dead shall be raised up with the selfsame bodies, and none other; although with different qualities, which shall be united again to their souls forever.
    3. The bodies of the unjust shall, by the power of Christ, be raised to dishonor; the bodies of the just, by His Spirit, unto honor, and be made conformable to His own glorious body.

    CHAPTER 32
    Of the Last Judgment
    1. God has appointed a day wherein he will judge the world in righteousness, by Jesus Christ; to whom all power and judgment is given of the Father; in which day, not only the apostate angels shall be judged, but likewise all persons that have lived upon the earth shall appear before the tribunal of Christ, to give an account of their thoughts, words, and deeds, and to receive according to what they have done in the body, whether good or evil.
    2. The end of God’s appointing this day, is for the manifestation of the glory of His mercy, in the eternal salvation of the elect; and of His justice, in the eternal damnation of the reprobate, who are wicked and disobedient; for then shall the righteous go into everlasting life, and receive that fullness of joy and glory with everlasting rewards, in the presence of the Lord; but the wicked, who do not know God, and do not obey the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast aside into everlasting torments, and punished with everlasting destruction, from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power.
    3. As Christ would have us to be certainly persuaded that there shall be a day of judgment, both to deter all men from sin, and for the greater consolation of the godly in their adversity, so will he have the day unknown to men, that they may shake off all carnal security, and be always watchful, because they know not at what hour the Lord will come, and may ever be prepared to say, Come Lord Jesus; come quickly. Amen.


    While I think it’s fine to study millennial and rapture views, and I do, and I have views and opinions, I can’t help but think we should be simpler and less focused on the future of which none of us really know other than the little God andnhas shared and a couple thousand pounds of conjecture and speculation.

    The Bible has so much more about justification and sanctification. And I find that more interesting anyway.

    Grace & peace to all.
    Eschatomaniacs! LOL...

    To be honest, I feel less spiritual just entering this sub forum. I generally find the posts to be way nastier and mean-spirited on this topic. It leads me to conclude that for the average person eschatology stimulates the mind, but does little for the heart. I know that's a broad brush, but it's generally true IMO.

    Your post is spot on. We need to be about the business of living out Christ and advancing the kingdom. That's our assignment until He comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    So TrustGzus, you recommend that we just ignore about a quarter of our Bibles?
    I know that is what most pastors do now, as you say; concentrate on justification and sanctification. But is it right to virtually ignore so much scripture?

    2 Peter 1:19 tells us we do well to study the prophets and Paul says we Christians should not be in the dark about what will happen. 1 Thess 5:4
    I know that the Prophetic Word is difficult to comprehend and is placed by most into the too hard basket. The Day will come, when we will all come face to face with the Lord. He just may ask: Why didn't you make a effort to understand what My prophets told you would happen. Why did you believe teachers that promoted false theories and unscriptural fables? 2 Timothy 4:3-4

    No--he's saying that we need to LIVE the other 75% and put the quarter in it's proper perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrustGzus View Post
    This is long. Iím sorry. I hope itís interesting.

    Thatís my question. Are we imbalanced eschatomaniacs in the 21st century church?

    ...
    There are two things to consider here.
    1. The Church is to live by faith. Thus, an overactive curiosity in the "signs" of our times is unhealthy and sign of faithlessness. The Church's job is to "WATCH FOR", and be "EXPECTING" our Lord at any moment. This ensures a holy living from hour to hour.
    2. The unfolding of the events at the end of this age are the CULMINATION of a recovery process by God that started with some animal skins covering the first two people. To study it and appreciate it MUST bring unadulterated glory to God for His Person, Character and Attributes. It is the Grandest Ending of any story ever told, and every Christian should be fully conversant with the MIGHTY things God has done, and still will do.

    Long Live Eschatology ... when studied with the correct motive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChangedByHim View Post
    No--he's saying that we need to LIVE the other 75% and put the quarter in it's proper perspective.


    clearly what he was saying.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChangedByHim View Post
    No--he's saying that we need to LIVE the other 75% and put the quarter in it's proper perspective.
    I do that.
    I have listened to thousands of sermons, one pastor did a series on Revelation, he made a mess of it, otherwise nothing on prophecy from the pulpit. And to try to discuss Bible prophecy to pastors or church members, just gets you very quickly silenced.

    We ARE living in the end times, that is evident from the present world situation. We SHOULD know what God has planned for His people in all that must happen before Jesus Returns. The Courts do not excuse ignorance, God will not either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrustGzus View Post
    This is long. Iím sorry. I hope itís interesting.

    Thatís my question. Are we imbalanced eschatomaniacs in the 21st century church?

    End Times Chat (ETC) is probably the busiest forum here. Mods might be able to tell differently, but when I look at recently updated threads and scan the right hand column often perhaps 75% or more are in ETC.

    In 1987, at the age of 16, I thought I was an expert on the book of Revelation. I was obsessed with the book. But, I was a teen. Metal bands spoke of 666 and quoted Revelation on their albums. Furthermore, Iíd read at least four books by Hal Lindsey. I was pretty sure I got saved in the nick of time a year earlier.

    88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988.
    The Final Shout: Rapture Report (1989).
    23 Reasons Why a Pre-Tribulation Rapture Looks Like It Will Occur on Rosh-Hashanah 1993.
    And Now the Earthís Destruction by Fire, Nuclear Bomb Fire (1994).

    I read none of those.

    Harold Camping failed multiple times.


    I spiritually grew up in Calvary Chapel. Calvary, God bless them, is fascinated with eschatology. A lot of cassettes/CDs/MP3s cannot be shared anymore because they guessed ďwithin 20 yearsĒ yada, yada, yada.

    They still do prophecy updates. A friend/good acquaintance is doing prophecy updates weekly.

    ďA geneation is 40 years.Ē

    1948 - 1988. Nope.
    1967 - 2007. Nope.

    I notice how simple the church has been in the past about their eschatology.
    I spent the mid-70s down in Orange County, getting confusing by Chuck Smith about the Pretrib Rapture. I had been Postrib, but Smith's daily radio broadcasts, and a new commentary on Revelation, made me reconsider my position. After a period of mass confusion and doubt I felt the Lord convict me that I was vacillating over things I already knew. I was afraid to believe what I had already read and understood in 2 Thes 2.

    Since this is in the Bible it has importance to God. At the time I wrote Walter Martin and CRI, requesting that Martin make an official statement regarding his own Postrib belief. He came out, shortly after, with a tape presenting his Postrib position. You can still hear it online somewhere.

    I'm not bad-mouthing Chuck Smith when I say that his predictions about the coming of Christ "very soon" did not pan out. Jesus didn't come in the 80s, and he didn't come anytime after that either. So I share, like you, a distaste for predictions made about when Christ will come. This particular Forum forbids it, I believe?

    That being said, I find that those who give up on actual eschatology in the Bible are making a mistake, and are frustrated simply because they haven't found much truth yet. To quote creeds and official statements does not scratch the surface of all that exists about the endtimes in the Bible. Creeds are just abbreviated statements of beliefs--not exhaustive studies of an area like eschatology.

    Where we go wrong is when we refuse to believe what the Scriptures actually say on a subject. I find that the biggest difficulty comes when we try to base our beliefs strictly on symbols, rather than on explicit doctrinal statements in the Bible. Symbols have that awful ability to allow the interpreter to insert his own ideas into the symbol, and then call it "biblical!"

    Don't give up brother. Pop eschatology will go away. God's word lasts forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    The Courts do not excuse ignorance, God will not either.
    Its possible that you are digging a hole for yourself here Keraz.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    I do that.
    Good for you. However, by my observation many don't.

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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TrustGzus again.

    Excellent post Joe. Very well thought out and written.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    So TrustGzus, you recommend that we just ignore about a quarter of our Bibles?
    I know that is what most pastors do now, as you say; concentrate on justification and sanctification. But is it right to virtually ignore so much scripture?

    2 Peter 1:19 tells us we do well to study the prophets and Paul says we Christians should not be in the dark about what will happen. 1 Thess 5:4
    I know that the Prophetic Word is difficult to comprehend and is placed by most into the too hard basket. The Day will come, when we will all come face to face with the Lord. He just may ask: Why didn't you make a effort to understand what My prophets told you would happen. Why did you believe teachers that promoted false theories and unscriptural fables? 2 Timothy 4:3-4
    Wow. Way to totally miss the point. There is a difference, and it's not a tiny difference, between ignoring end times prophecies and examining every little thing in excruciating detail to see if it might be that weird metaphor from Revelation. In the End Times Chat area (I guess that's what ETC means) people seem to think that a heatwave in the summer is a sign of the times. Total wealth in the US breaking the $100 trillion mark is apparently a sign that the US is Babylon because the nation is rich. You know, if the national wealth is only $90 trillion (that's $90,000,000,000,000 for those who like lots of noughts) it barely counts as pocket change.

    Maybe moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem is a sign of the times. Then again maybe it isn't. If you've got lots of dots and join them up at random you might just face God asking why you didn't even bother to try to understand it rather than just join all the dots in a jumble because some of it looked like it might have made a little bit of sense. But hey, if you make enough predictions the chances are sooner or later you'll get something right, just like a broken clock is right twice a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonajero View Post
    Wow. Way to totally miss the point. There is a difference, and it's not a tiny difference, between ignoring end times prophecies and examining every little thing in excruciating detail to see if it might be that weird metaphor from Revelation. In the End Times Chat area (I guess that's what ETC means) people seem to think that a heatwave in the summer is a sign of the times. Total wealth in the US breaking the $100 trillion mark is apparently a sign that the US is Babylon because the nation is rich. You know, if the national wealth is only $90 trillion (that's $90,000,000,000,000 for those who like lots of noughts) it barely counts as pocket change.

    Maybe moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem is a sign of the times. Then again maybe it isn't. If you've got lots of dots and join them up at random you might just face God asking why you didn't even bother to try to understand it rather than just join all the dots in a jumble because some of it looked like it might have made a little bit of sense. But hey, if you make enough predictions the chances are sooner or later you'll get something right, just like a broken clock is right twice a day.
    I agree that making prophetic predictions are not the same thing as teaching biblical eschatology. True biblical eschatology is designed to put false prophecy, and errant expectations to rest.

    And like another brother said, it is to show us how to properly "watch" for the Kingdom. We can't make a pie, and then diminish a small part of the pie, just because it is a smaller part. We need to eat the whole pie. Tastes better that way!

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