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    Anti apostle Paul movement in the church?

    Is there an anti Apostle Paul movement going on in the church? I was on a site today where there were some folks who called themselves Christian yet were very much against the Apostle Paul. One poster even said he did not believe that Paul's writings were scripture and that he preached a different Christianity than its founder Jesus Christ. I have also previously seen a few posts in this forum where the poster alluded to the same thing. I have not seen many such posts in this forum, just a few. I was just wondering if there was an anti Paul movement going on to be concerned about or if this is just a fringe movement with not very many adherents?

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    Re: Anti apostle Paul movement in the church?

    Quote Originally Posted by rom826 View Post
    Is there an anti Apostle Paul movement going on in the church? I was on a site today where there were some folks who called themselves Christian yet were very much against the Apostle Paul. One poster even said he did not believe that Paul's writings were scripture and that he preached a different Christianity than its founder Jesus Christ. I have also previously seen a few posts in this forum where the poster alluded to the same thing. I have not seen many such posts in this forum, just a few. I was just wondering if there was an anti Paul movement going on to be concerned about or if this is just a fringe movement with not very many adherents?
    Some Hebrew Roots Messianic congregations are anti-Paul. Thatís about all I know about

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    Re: Anti apostle Paul movement in the church?

    Quote Originally Posted by rom826 View Post
    Is there an anti Apostle Paul movement going on in the church? I was on a site today where there were some folks who called themselves Christian yet were very much against the Apostle Paul. One poster even said he did not believe that Paul's writings were scripture and that he preached a different Christianity than its founder Jesus Christ. I have also previously seen a few posts in this forum where the poster alluded to the same thing. I have not seen many such posts in this forum, just a few. I was just wondering if there was an anti Paul movement going on to be concerned about or if this is just a fringe movement with not very many adherents?
    We had a guy infiltrate our Bible Study at church, and try to create a hostile attitude towards Paul. I promptly rebuked him, right or wrong, and he left and has never come back. I had thought he was a Christian, because he had been in our church for some years. But I discovered he had lots of oddities about him. The pastors said he was always challenging their sermons. And he gave accounts to me personally of "staring down" Anton Levey.

    I wouldn't be surprised if another anti-Paul movement was initiated somewhere. Paul was a controversial figure in his own day. Some of his own churches turned against him. And yet much of the NT Scriptures are his. I have no doubt Satan would love to diminish him. In doing so we would lose much of our Bible.

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    Re: Anti apostle Paul movement in the church?

    Quote Originally Posted by rom826 View Post
    Is there an anti Apostle Paul movement going on in the church? ... or if this is just a fringe movement with not very many adherents?
    Fringe only. Every church and denomination within the pale of Christian orthodoxy, be they Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Baptist, Lutheran, etc., holds St. Paul's Epistles to be the breathed words of God. There has long been opposition to his Epistles because they teach things that some people wish they didn't, inconvenient truths that tell these people with clarity just how sinful their lives/lifestyles really are.

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    Here's proof, at least to me, as to why Paul's writings are scripture:
    Jesus said to Peter in Mt 16:17 "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." The Lord must have been delighted that Peter was hearing from the Father for himself. It is this same Peter who says in 2 Pet 3:15,16 "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."
    I count this as proof, even to those who would reject the apostle Paul and his epistles; otherwise one would have to discount the Apostle Peter too and then too, even the words of Jesus, who is the one that tells us that Peter hears from the Father from himself. Jesus also said that, if they didn't believe the scriptures, then they wouldn't believe, even if one were to rise from the dead.

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    Re: Anti apostle Paul movement in the church?

    Essentially Paul wrote 2 Cor. to defend his Apostleship against attacks from "false apostles" (11:13) who were questioning his authority, so nothing has changed

    Paul received his "Gospel" directly from Jesus (Gal 1:11-12), so not sure how one could argue he preached a different Gospel to Christ.

    I think I will side with Paul when it comes to the Gospel To differ means to be accursed, deceived or a minister of Satan!
    Gal 1:6-9 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

    2 Cor 11:3-4 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!

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    This movement is very old, going back almost 2,000 years. See the Ebionites.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

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    Re: Anti apostle Paul movement in the church?

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    Some Hebrew Roots Messianic congregations are anti-Paul. Thatís about all I know about
    As they were in Paul's day too.
    I have only known of 1 anti Paul person and his doctrine was kooky anyway.
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