Attack on Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia

[keck553]

That may well be. But religious discrimination and persecution should not be tolerated, no matter who the victim is.

True. Allow one, and we are all in danger.

[JChesney]

True. Allow one, and we are all in danger.

no, it's dubious logic. Jehovah's Witnesses were persecuted in Russia for understandable reasons, because in Russia they will not tolerate the confession that lead from the United States. Other denominations are not in danger in Russia. Do not believe anyone, everything is fine in Russia.

[TrustGzus]

That may well be. But religious discrimination and persecution should not be tolerated, no matter who the victim is.

True. Allow one, and we are all in danger.

Amen. Same in the USA when they adoption agencies run by nuns shut down because they can’t place orphans in same-sex homes due to convictions. They may be Roman Catholic but Evangelicals need to pay attention.

[keck553]

no, it's dubious logic. Jehovah's Witnesses were persecuted in Russia for understandable reasons, because in Russia they will not tolerate the confession that lead from the United States. Other denominations are not in danger in Russia. Do not believe anyone, everything is fine in Russia.

Yeah, right. That's why my Ukrainian neighbors had to leave their home, because "everything is fine in Russia."

Amen. Same in the USA when they adoption agencies run by nuns shut down because they can’t place orphans in same-sex homes due to convictions. They may be Roman Catholic but Evangelicals need to pay attention.

The left hates God and His people.

[BrianW]

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

- Martin Niemoller

[Brother Mark]

Amen. Same in the USA when they adoption agencies run by nuns shut down because they can’t place orphans in same-sex homes due to convictions. They may be Roman Catholic but Evangelicals need to pay attention.

Yep. I think our former president was a warning shot. It will only get worse if we don't pay attention. I think that is why President Trump got so much support from evangelicals. I know that there were folks that couldn't vote for Romney because he was a mormon. Makes no sense to me given what the left is like these days. But after what happened with Obamacare, hopefully, evangelicals have been awakened. Without that, I don't think we could have supported someone like Trump. (He has greatly and pleasantly surprised me with how he has governed.)

The left hates God and His people.

Becoming rather obvious that this is the case. We should have our eyes wide open going forward.

[JChesney]

Yeah, right. That's why my Ukrainian neighbors had to leave their home, because "everything is fine in Russia."

I do not know who your neighbors are, but half the population of Ukraine supports Russia. In Ukraine on political grounds the population was divided in half.

[keck553]

I do not know who your neighbors are, but half the population of Ukraine supports Russia. In Ukraine on political grounds the population was divided in half.

And half the population in this country supports the evil left. What's your point?

Persecution is wrong. Period.

[JChesney]

And half the population in this country supports the evil left. What's your point?

you are so biased attitude to the "left". And the "right" is good? some kind of medieval gloom to divide people into black and white.

[Brother Mark]

you are so biased attitude to the "left". And the "right" is good? some kind of medieval gloom to divide people into black and white.

Just watch what the left does in the US and who they hate. They go after nuns and target their belief systems with the force of government. Keck is not biased. He is seeing things clearly.

[TrustGzus]

Yep. I think our former president was a warning shot. It will only get worse if we don't pay attention. I think that is why President Trump got so much support from evangelicals. I know that there were folks that couldn't vote for Romney because he was a mormon. Makes no sense to me given what the left is like these days. But after what happened with Obamacare, hopefully, evangelicals have been awakened. Without that, I don't think we could have supported someone like Trump. (He has greatly and pleasantly surprised me with how he has governed.)



Becoming rather obvious that this is the case. We should have our eyes wide open going forward.

I voted for Romney without hesitation. I wasn’t electing a pastor in 2012 or in 2016. I was electing a president. Romney was governor of Massachusetts. Massachusetts never became the new Utah. I never understood the worry of Romney’s Mormonism.

[Brother Mark]

I voted for Romney without hesitation. I wasn’t electing a pastor in 2012 or in 2016. I was electing a president. Romney was governor of Massachusetts. Massachusetts never became the new Utah. I never understood the worry of Romney’s Mormonism.

Religion. Just like those in Jesus day... many people choke at a gnat and swallow a camel. IMO, its a religious spirit/mindset driving those folks.

Edit: I voted for Romney too. IMO, it was an easy choice.

[keck553]

you are so biased attitude to the "left". And the "right" is good? some kind of medieval gloom to divide people into black and white.

I admit I am biased by the truth. The truth is the left is acting out with hate, persecution and intolerance just like the Комите́т госуда́рственной безопа́сности.

But you missed the point. I don’t care if half of Ukraine “likes Russia.” (And I don’t beleive that anyway). Russia is wrong. Persecution is wrong.

[JChesney]

Just watch what the left does in the US and who they hate. They go after nuns and target their belief systems with the force of government. Keck is not biased. He is seeing things clearly.

If I understand correctly, the leftists are socialists and communists, or similar political parties. By the way, in Russia and Ukraine and other countries of the former USSR, many modern leftists are parishioners of the Orthodox Church and they do not persecute nuns. The modern left in these countries is often not atheists as it was before (as I know).

[JChesney]

I admit I am biased by the truth. The truth is the left is acting out with hate, persecution and intolerance just like the Комите́т госуда́рственной безопа́сности.

Well, you say such terrible things, this structure does not exist since the collapse of the USSR, why rush the past.

But you missed the point. I don’t care if half of Ukraine “likes Russia.” (And I don’t beleive that anyway).

believe it or not, I do know about this.

Russia is wrong. Persecution is wrong.

in any country there are persecutions of dissidents, you might think that there are no persecutions in the US. In the US, for example, the Communists are banned, will we make a noise because of this, that in the USA are persecuting the Communists? Is it not infringed upon their rights? Let's worry.