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    alcohol addiction not being lifted after numerous pleas. start to doubt.

    Hello,

    I have been agnostic for ages. converted to Christianity a while back, stayed sober and and after a very bad relapse, lost faith in Jesus.
    Came back to Jesus, repented, confessed sins and prayed, oh did I pray. Felt as if the obsession for booze was lifted, then it came back with a vengeance, planning to drink next week. and with me to drink is to die.
    with this obsession driving me nuts, I started to doubt the resurrection story.
    I wish I could just have the certainty that Jesus died and raised from the dead. Maybe this is what I am really after. then I can pray knowing that someone is actually listening and the Jesus is actually abiding in me.
    I want that so bad.

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    Re: alcohol addiction not being lifted after numerous pleas. start to doubt.

    Quote Originally Posted by shak4969 View Post
    Hello,

    I have been agnostic for ages. converted to Christianity a while back, stayed sober and and after a very bad relapse, lost faith in Jesus.
    Came back to Jesus, repented, confessed sins and prayed, oh did I pray. Felt as if the obsession for booze was lifted, then it came back with a vengeance, planning to drink next week. and with me to drink is to die.
    with this obsession driving me nuts, I started to doubt the resurrection story.
    I wish I could just have the certainty that Jesus died and raised from the dead. Maybe this is what I am really after. then I can pray knowing that someone is actually listening and the Jesus is actually abiding in me.
    I want that so bad.
    Are you around other people that drink?


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    alcohol addiction not being lifted after numerous pleas. start to doubt.

    Hi,

    I converted to Christianity a while back while I was struggling with alcoholism. I had to find a God of my understanding doing the AA program.
    After a very bad relapse, I gave up on Jesus and tried something else. been relapsing ever since.
    Newly convert again. confessed sins, repented, accepted Jesus. I would ask God in the name of our Lord to remove that obsession of alcohol from me.
    all was Ok for a while, then the last few days heavy obsession to drink to the point that I had made up my mind that I would drink next week(payday).
    this made me start to doubt Jesus, I really thought that he finally abides in me.
    I wish sometimes to just have the certainty that Jesus did raise from the dead. I don't like to fake til you make approach.

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    Re: alcohol addiction not being lifted after numerous pleas. start to doubt.

    As a former drug addict and an alcoholic that hasn't touched a drop ( or anything else ) in over 20 yrs I can tell you that the urge never goes away. It gets less and less over time but it's always there and very well may always be there.
    Could God take it away? Sure. But if he doesn't it isn't His fault if you go back to drinking it is yours.

    You need to put it down and have the willpower to leave it down. It's not simple or easy and it can be one of the hardest things you'll ever have to do but it's up to you to take that step, make that resolution and stick with it every day.

    Recovery programs, AA, "sponsors" etc etc are all well and fine and can do a lot to help but the bottom line is that you decided to let yourself get this far and it is up to you to get yourself back on track and OUT of it.

    Break the chains and never pick them back on again. It really is your choice and one that you make have to make several times a day for a long time.

    But of course God does help you.

    He is our strength if we accept the strength he gives us.
    He is our hope as day by day we grow closer to Him and by focusing more on Him. Day by day, hour by hour and minute by minute we focus less on the craving and thoughts to please the flesh and more on living in the Spirit and pleasing Him.

    We put on the armor of God every day and engage in spiritual warfare AND in the war against our flesh and the Spirit. We are all tempted. Everyone of us. We will always be tempted. The question is who is the master? The temptation/cravings or yourself and your God?

    Flowery words and well intentioned advice are great. But for those of us who have suffered through the agony of addiction we know that it really does come down to what I wrote above.
    God can help, He can give you strength and hope but you have to take responsibility and have the willpower and yearning to be free.
    You have to act and you have to continue to act by saying "No!" as often as needed.

    I apologize to anyone that reads this and thinks I'm being harsh. The fact is, if you've lived through this and came out on the other side you know I'm saying the absolute truth and exactly what's needed to be said.
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    Re: alcohol addiction not being lifted after numerous pleas. start to doubt.

    Hi, shak4969 -

    I'm jayne. My heart breaks for you. Addiction [so many kinds] torment Christians as well as non-believers so horribly: alcohol, sex, food, porn, drugs, lying, and the list is endless.

    Let me shoot from the hip. Yes, Jesus Christ did indeed rise from the dead. And accepting him as Lord and Savior of your life doesn't mean that you will never have problems again. Christians are not immune from the plagues of the temptations of their addictions. The Bible is full of people who fought against sin. Sometimes they lost. Sometimes they were victorious.

    And then there's the whole physical, mental, and emotional side to addiction. True addicts know that it's not just spiritual. Behaviors that people are addicted to alter their brains and alter their response behaviors. It's a terrible cycle.
    • A person repents and gets "clean"
    • The temptations come again
    • Relapse occurs
    • The guilt, shame, despair, self-loathing, and questioning God comes.


    Addictions are just that strong, as you well know.

    So what's the answer for a Christian addict?

    Understand, shak4969, that we are not doctors here and can provide no medical counsel. Take what I have to say to heart, but do not take what I say as needing no fact-checking or discussion with your doctor and spiritual advisor. I'm just a Christian gal on an internet forum.

    • We, as Christians, have a real enemy and temptations ARE going to plague us and none of us are immune. “Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. ” 1 Peter 5:8" "No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man…” 1 Corinthians 10:13"
    • Watch out for the pitfalls we get ourselves into that put us at our weakest point and make us an easy target. Boredom, irritability, old habits/old "friends", ignoring prayer time, ignoring Bible reading time, anxiety/stress, not eating/sleeping/exercising right, and so much more.
    • There IS a way of escape from each and every pull back into the behavior. “[God] will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.” 1 Corinthians 10:13
    • What is that way of escape for addicts? In part, it's competent doctors, programs, and friends who support you. Spiritually speaking, it's scripture. That is was Jesus Christ used as his weapon of choice when being tempted by the devil in the wilderness.
      • He was starving after 40 days of no food and the devil tempted him with an idea for food. Jesus quote scripture.
      • He was seeking the Father and came here to humble himself to die on a cross. The devil tempted him to "show off" his authority. Again, Jesus quoted scripture.
      • Finally, the devil tempted Jesus to become obsessed with the ownership of "things'. Jesus quote scripture again.
    • Find some thing to do that take your heart, mind, and being off of the alcohol and its empty promises. Get a new hobby, find a support group of strong friends, and start an active prayer life and Bible reading habit.
    • Keep a journal of the times you are tempted the most, what those triggers were, and what you did if you successfully fled the alcohol.


    Here's the crux of the matter.

    You don't HAVE to give in. That's easy to say in the good times but hard to say in the temptation. But try saying it when you are being hammered by the draw to drink. "I don't HAVE to do this." "God HAS provided a way of escape."

    Making this easier is having a relationship with God every single day. Not just crying out after it's all over. Talk to God, read his Word, learn some really good praise/worship songs.


    Defending yourself even when you are NOT being tempted is the key to having an easier time during the temptation. And God shows us that defense.

    The Armor of God - Ephesians 6:10-18


    Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.


    God bless and I am praying for you.
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    Re: alcohol addiction not being lifted after numerous pleas. start to doubt.

    Thank you very much guys for the replies

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    Re: alcohol addiction not being lifted after numerous pleas. start to doubt.

    No. away from drinking people and drinking holes.

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    Re: alcohol addiction not being lifted after numerous pleas. start to doubt.

    I'm combining the two threads.
    ".....it's your nickel"

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    Re: alcohol addiction not being lifted after numerous pleas. start to doubt.

    Quote Originally Posted by shak4969 View Post
    Hello,

    I have been agnostic for ages. converted to Christianity a while back, stayed sober and and after a very bad relapse, lost faith in Jesus.
    Came back to Jesus, repented, confessed sins and prayed, oh did I pray. Felt as if the obsession for booze was lifted, then it came back with a vengeance, planning to drink next week. and with me to drink is to die.
    with this obsession driving me nuts, I started to doubt the resurrection story.
    I wish I could just have the certainty that Jesus died and raised from the dead. Maybe this is what I am really after. then I can pray knowing that someone is actually listening and the Jesus is actually abiding in me.
    I want that so bad.
    If you want it so bad, just stop doing it. Since no one is going to tell you or has the authority to tell you not to, it is up to you. Just write this one sentence down:

    I [your name] am not allowed to drink.

    Look at it all day, for weeks.

    Because that is the case, you are not allowed to drink, ever again. You know an alcoholic always stays an alcoholic, even if they do not drink anymore. That's why you are not allowed to drink. Because one drink, and you're on it again. This is the case with a lot of addictions, like smoking for example, one cigarette and you're on it again.

    Stopping is hard, but you've done it before so you can do it one more time, that will be the last time, because you are not allowed to drink. So when your life gets difficult, or your partner runs off, or you loose your job, or heaven falls on your head, you are not allowed to drink, there is no excuse, because when your life gets difficult, or your partner runs off, or you loose your job, or heaven falls on your head, alcohol does not solve those things.

    Alcohol is a very effective solvent, it dissolves families, marriages, friendships, careers and bank accounts, but never problems.

    Aristarkos

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    I have been saved most of my adult life. I was also addicted to almost everything there is (grew up in the 80's in California... did meth, cocaine, cigarettes, alcohol and marijuana, as well as sexual immorality). Little by little, I gave everything up, but always I just traded one thing for doing more of another until it was just marijuana. Lots of marijuana. I never thought I'd give it up; even thinking about it made me break down and cry. Everything I did revolved around "getting high and..." (getting high and going shopping; getting high and going to work; getting high and getting gas...)

    I desired to be closer to God, My Father and Savior, though. Getting high grieved the Spirit within me. One day I decided to ALLOW He who is within me BE GREATER than he who is in the world (1 John 4:4). Then I did it the next day. And the next. I read how Daniel "purposed in his heart that he would not eat the king's meat..." (Daniel 1:8) I purposed in my heart that I was not going to allow my flesh, which is WEAK, overcome my ready and willing Spirit (Matthew 26:41 ; Mark 14:38). No programs, no sponsors... just a WILLING HEART to purify myself for my Groom; and the Power of God that already resides in me (1 Corinthians 3:16).

    That was years ago. I live in Colorado; there's a pot shop on every corner. It no longer has a hold on me, though occasionally it tries. That death has lost it's sting; that grave has no victory (1 Corinthians 15:55).

    You can do it.

    As Brian and Aristarkos, good brothers, have counseled... it's your choice. Choose Life. Through cries and tears of supplication, and suffering sometimes, obedience is learned (Hebrews 5:7-8).

    The lust of the flesh is of the world (1 John 2:16)
    15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

    16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

    17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.



    Don't be "That Guy... That Guy who gave up..." Take my advice... In a Moment, POUR IT DOWN THE SINK! Get rid of the temptation. If you go get another bottle, pour that one down the sink. I'm telling you this for certain, there will be ONE MOMENT when the Spirit gives you the strength to do it. SEIZE THAT MOMENT! If you let that moment pass, you'll likely find yourself on the wrong end.
    Jesus said, "Out of the hardness of your hearts Moses gave a writ of divorce; but from the beginning it was not so." How many more things do you suppose are, "From the beginning, NOT so?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconcheff View Post
    I have been saved most of my adult life. I was also addicted to almost everything there is (grew up in the 80's in California... did meth, cocaine, cigarettes, alcohol and marijuana, as well as sexual immorality). Little by little, I gave everything up, but always I just traded one thing for doing more of another until it was just marijuana. Lots of marijuana. I never thought I'd give it up; even thinking about it made me break down and cry. Everything I did revolved around "getting high and..." (getting high and going shopping; getting high and going to work; getting high and getting gas...)

    I desired to be closer to God, My Father and Savior, though. Getting high grieved the Spirit within me. One day I decided to ALLOW He who is within me BE GREATER than he who is in the world (1 John 4:4). Then I did it the next day. And the next. I read how Daniel "purposed in his heart that he would not eat the king's meat..." (Daniel 1:8) I purposed in my heart that I was not going to allow my flesh, which is WEAK, overcome my ready and willing Spirit (Matthew 26:41 ; Mark 14:38). No programs, no sponsors... just a WILLING HEART to purify myself for my Groom; and the Power of God that already resides in me (1 Corinthians 3:16).

    That was years ago. I live in Colorado; there's a pot shop on every corner. It no longer has a hold on me, though occasionally it tries. That death has lost it's sting; that grave has no victory (1 Corinthians 15:55).

    You can do it.

    As Brian and Aristarkos, good brothers, have counseled... it's your choice. Choose Life. Through cries and tears of supplication, and suffering sometimes, obedience is learned (Hebrews 5:7-8).

    The lust of the flesh is of the world (1 John 2:16)
    15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

    16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

    17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.



    Don't be "That Guy... That Guy who gave up..." Take my advice... In a Moment, POUR IT DOWN THE SINK! Get rid of the temptation. If you go get another bottle, pour that one down the sink. I'm telling you this for certain, there will be ONE MOMENT when the Spirit gives you the strength to do it. SEIZE THAT MOMENT! If you let that moment pass, you'll likely find yourself on the wrong end.
    Posts like this is why I read this forum. Thank you so much for sharing your testimony. There's so much practical biblical truth here... Fantastic post and it went into my notes for my own edification. These are truths that I need to be reminded of very often and they are powerful to the pulling down of strongholds.
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    13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
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    Re: alcohol addiction not being lifted after numerous pleas. start to doubt.

    Great stuff all over. I copied some verses for later use. I think I am still struggling with Faith in general as well. Faith in Jesus. I have always been the skeptical type, but my ambivalence as to whether to drink or not felt like a battle with something inside of me that I can't get my head around. this is the reason I am trying so hard to believe in the resurrection of Jesus.

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    Re: alcohol addiction not being lifted after numerous pleas. start to doubt.

    Quote Originally Posted by shak4969 View Post
    Great stuff all over. I copied some verses for later use. I think I am still struggling with Faith in general as well. Faith in Jesus. I have always been the skeptical type, but my ambivalence as to whether to drink or not felt like a battle with something inside of me that I can't get my head around. this is the reason I am trying so hard to believe in the resurrection of Jesus.
    You want to hope in something pure and good, something unshakeable. The resurrection of Jesus is the good news, it's the report about a battle that was won. God has turned the tables on death. That's history, it happened. What more do you need to know? What are your issues with doubting the resurrection? It sounds more like your issues are depression, not whether you believe in the historicity of Jesus.
    As the "thief" in the night, Christ is going to suddenly appear on the throne of Israel - not the antichrist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shak4969 View Post
    Great stuff all over. I copied some verses for later use. I think I am still struggling with Faith in general as well. Faith in Jesus. I have always been the skeptical type, but my ambivalence as to whether to drink or not felt like a battle with something inside of me that I can't get my head around. this is the reason I am trying so hard to believe in the resurrection of Jesus.
    How's it going, Brother?
    Jesus said, "Out of the hardness of your hearts Moses gave a writ of divorce; but from the beginning it was not so." How many more things do you suppose are, "From the beginning, NOT so?"

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    Re: alcohol addiction not being lifted after numerous pleas. start to doubt.

    Well, I gave into the temptation and drank for few days into oblivion. paying the price now. I have been praying again and reading the bible, sometimes I fell lifted up and at times I am down and doubt whether the spirit is working in me, I guess I need to work on my faith over anything. see, I am a new convert too, been agnostic, then from a different religion I grew up in among other things. None of it kept me sober, so I turned to Christianity

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