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    The Great Tribulation will not affect Israel.

    We know that the Two Witnesses' ministry will last for 3.5 years (Rev 11:3)
    Israel will escape into the wilderness to be protected and succoured for 3.5 years (Rev 12:6; 14)
    If the Great Tribulation is only for 3.5 years, it follows that the end of the 2Ws ministry will mark the beginning of the Tribulation.
    If this assertion is true, it means that Israel will not be affected by the great tribulation?

    Your thoughts...

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    A good thought but not completely correct.
    Israel will be affected hard AND first. The GT starts in Jerusalem.
    Zech 14 describes that Day, and it is noted as the Day of Jacob's trouble.
    Jesus also speaks of it, and how terrible for nursing mothers etc.

    What seems to hapen is the 2W are killed, then there is 3.5 days while they lie unburied to leave. Yet many will not. Then they are resurrected and then those who listened and NOW believe will give glory to God, but then will need to flee immediately.
    Roughly 50% will be taken and 50% will escape.

    Those who escape will then be protected for the rest of the GT. Those however who were taken...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    A good thought but not completely correct.
    Israel will be affected hard AND first. The GT starts in Jerusalem.
    Zech 14 describes that Day, and it is noted as the Day of Jacob's trouble.
    Jesus also speaks of it, and how terrible for nursing mothers etc.

    What seems to hapen is the 2W are killed, then there is 3.5 days while they lie unburied to leave. Yet many will not. Then they are resurrected and then those who listened and NOW believe will give glory to God, but then will need to flee immediately.
    Roughly 50% will be taken and 50% will escape.

    Those who escape will then be protected for the rest of the GT. Those however who were taken...
    A true account of the prophecy. Since there is almost an equal number of Jews living outside their homeland, what will be the fate of this group? Is it possible that they too will heed the warning and flee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trivalee View Post
    A true account of the prophecy. Since there is almost an equal number of Jews living outside their homeland, what will be the fate of this group? Is it possible that they too will heed the warning and flee?
    That is the present situation. Will it be true when the trumpets are blown?
    When Revelation was written there was a great diaspora, but no mention of what would happen with them. So the focus is not on them, so we will be speculating to a large extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trivalee View Post
    We know that the Two Witnesses' ministry will last for 3.5 years (Rev 11:3)
    Israel will escape into the wilderness to be protected and succoured for 3.5 years (Rev 12:6; 14)
    If the Great Tribulation is only for 3.5 years, it follows that the end of the 2Ws ministry will mark the beginning of the Tribulation.
    If this assertion is true, it means that Israel will not be affected by the great tribulation?

    Your thoughts...
    The usual confusion here and in the replies, of thinking that it is Jewish Israel, who are in the Land when the AC conquers them.
    Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7, make it clear that the people in the Land at that time, are God's holy people. His faithful Christians, who have proved their trust in God through the Sixth Seal event. Revelation 7:9-14

    Many clearly stated prophesies tell us that the current inhabitants of all the holy Land area, will be killed. Excepting for a holy seed of Messianic Jews in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:1-4, Zechariah 13:7-9, +
    Then the Lord's faithful Christian people, from every nation, will gather and live there as the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5
    They will live in peace and prosperity, Zechariah 8:1-8; the Lord will destroy their attackers; Gog from Magog, but when the leader of the One World Govt comes to them and proposes a 7 year peace treaty, they fail to wholly trust the Lord and many agree to it. Daniel 11:32, Isaiah 28:14-15

    This is proved by Revelation 12:17, where those Christians who did agree, must remain in the holy Land, facing persecution and the effects of the Great Tribulation. However, this is the time when the 2 Witnesses will be preaching to them, so most will reassert their faith in God.

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    Re: The Great Tribulation will not affect Israel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trivalee View Post
    We know that the Two Witnesses' ministry will last for 3.5 years (Rev 11:3)
    Israel will escape into the wilderness to be protected and succoured for 3.5 years (Rev 12:6; 14)
    If the Great Tribulation is only for 3.5 years, it follows that the end of the 2Ws ministry will mark the beginning of the Tribulation.
    If this assertion is true, it means that Israel will not be affected by the great tribulation?

    Your thoughts...
    Daniel 12:1 written to "Daniel's People"; "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." If the "trouble" is "such as never was" then it must encompass the whole earth for then the great flood would have been worse.

    Revelation 3:10 written to the Church; "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

    Matthew 24:15-21 written to those in Judea who could "SEE" the Abomination of Desolation;
    15 "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    ...
    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."


    The Great Tribulation, greater than Noah's flood, STARTS IN JERUSALEM!

    But here is a worse thought concerning Israel and the time of the end. The word "generation" is much discuss, especially in Matthew 12:39, 16:4 and Luke 11:29. The way scripture uses "generation" is NOT PRIMARILY to show years that it takes to "generate" offspring. Even if one studies the various cases where it does, there is no fixed length of time for one generation to generate the next. Rather, "generation" is used to show WHAT is GENERATED. This follows from Genesis 1:11-12 where every living thing with its seed in itself will "generate" the SAME. So in the Gospels especially, the Jewish Leadership was a "generation of Vipers", showing that they had the serpentine nature and the children they produced had the SAME NATURE. That is why it is ONE "generation" spanning hundreds of years that will be responsible for the blood of men far in the past (Luke 11:50-51).

    Now, our Lord Jesus said that NO sign would be given the Serpentine, unfaithful and adulterous "generation" of Israelites EXCEPT that of Jonah. This SIGN where our Lord Jesus was in the "heart of the earth" for three days has been accomplished. But CONTRARY to our Lord's words, in Matthew 24:30 a SIGN is given to those who will see Jesus touch down on Mount Olives. Did our Lord make a mistake? Is the Bible reliable? NO! Our Lord did not make a mistake IF THAT GENERATION IS ALL DEAD. If every evil, unfaithful and adulterous Jew is dead, then our Lord can give a sign of His coming. But that means, except for the 144,000 Jews of Revelation 7:1-8 who are sealed, ALL JEWS LIVING AT THE TIME JACOB'S TROUBLE WILL BE KILLED BY THE GREAT TRIBULATION.

    Here is the punchline then. In Revelation 13:8 all men who worship the Beast are not written in the Book of Life. But Daniel promises that of Daniel's People, the Jews, in 12:1, "... at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." That is, in addition to my theory, here is proof that every Jew who embraces the Beast is not in the "Book" and will NOT BE DELIVERED in the Great Tribulation.

    What think ye of this, men?

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    Walls, in many ways you are agreeing with what I put - there will be those who are delivered and those who are not. It will affect ALL of them because they either flee (leaving behind their wealth, previous lives etc.) or because they are taken by the Beast.
    I think it is clear that EVERYONE (Jew or Gentile) who embraces the Beast will not be delivered in the GT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    Walls, in many ways you are agreeing with what I put - there will be those who are delivered and those who are not. It will affect ALL of them because they either flee (leaving behind their wealth, previous lives etc.) or because they are taken by the Beast.
    I think it is clear that EVERYONE (Jew or Gentile) who embraces the Beast will not be delivered in the GT.
    I think that you have addressed the most important point in both your postings. The culmination of the last age was Israel's choice of either Jesus of Bethlehem, or Caesar of Rome. Despite their Law, which they totally violated in the trial of Jesus, they chose a Gentile king. Then they murdered Jesus and later murdered His disciple. The culmination of this age is Israel's choice of either Jesus, most famous and most studied character in history, Who fulfilled over 330 prophecies from the Tanakh, or the choice of a Gentile Caesar who is resurrected and does lying wonders.

    Israel, still under the same Law, make a seven year pact with this Gentile king, in which "THE" covenant is strengthened (Dan.9:26-27). This must allow the building of a fresh Temple for the Law cannot be fulfilled without a Temple (Deut.2:5, 11, 12:21, 14:23-24, 16:2 etc.), and Israel, after 3.5 years, ALLOW;
    • the daily oblation to cease at the order of the Beast (Dan.9:27)
    • the Beast to sit in the Temple as God (2nd Thess.2:4)
    • the Beast to build a golden effigy of himself (Rev.13:14)
    • the Beast to be worshiped (Rev.13:12)
    • the Beast's effigy to be worshiped (Rev.13:15)
    • the Beast's Mark of dependency on their daily supply in their flesh (Rev.13:16)

    Now, Jerusalem, though defiled and trodden by Gentiles, and though, "... spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified" (Rev.11:8), is still, "... Jerusalem; the city of the great King" (Matt.5:35). That is, if a Temple is erected by Jews in Jerusalem, God by OWNERSHIP owns this Temple. What the Jews do above is the ULTIMATE OFFENSE. It is one TERRIBLE thing to kill Messiah OUTSIDE the City, but what about defiling God's Citadel and House INSIDE the City and INSIDE the Holy of Holies?

    It is no wonder that the Great Tribulation has its beginning in Jerusalem. And as you have said, it is all about whose allegiance one chooses. The Beast, or the Anointed of God. The end of the former is terrible. Revelation 14:9-11 promises:

    9 "And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
    11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."


    The phrase "ANY MAN" in verse 9 pertains to both Israelite and Gentile alike. I think Israel's darkest hour is still before them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    I think that you have addressed the most important point in both your postings. The culmination of the last age was Israel's choice of either Jesus of Bethlehem, or Caesar of Rome. Despite their Law, which they totally violated in the trial of Jesus, they chose a Gentile king. Then they murdered Jesus and later murdered His disciple. The culmination of this age is Israel's choice of either Jesus, most famous and most studied character in history, Who fulfilled over 330 prophecies from the Tanakh, or the choice of a Gentile Caesar who is resurrected and does lying wonders.
    Here we basically agree.

    Israel, still under the same Law, make a seven year pact with this Gentile king, in which "THE" covenant is strengthened (Dan.9:26-27). This must allow the building of a fresh Temple for the Law cannot be fulfilled without a Temple (Deut.2:5, 11, 12:21, 14:23-24, 16:2 etc.), and Israel, after 3.5 years, ALLOW;
    • the daily oblation to cease at the order of the Beast (Dan.9:27)
    • the Beast to sit in the Temple as God (2nd Thess.2:4)
    • the Beast to build a golden effigy of himself (Rev.13:14)
    • the Beast to be worshiped (Rev.13:12)
    • the Beast's effigy to be worshiped (Rev.13:15)
    • the Beast's Mark of dependency on their daily supply in their flesh (Rev.13:16)

    Now, Jerusalem, though defiled and trodden by Gentiles, and though, "... spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified" (Rev.11:8), is still, "... Jerusalem; the city of the great King" (Matt.5:35). That is, if a Temple is erected by Jews in Jerusalem, God by OWNERSHIP owns this Temple. What the Jews do above is the ULTIMATE OFFENSE. It is one TERRIBLE thing to kill Messiah OUTSIDE the City, but what about defiling God's Citadel and House INSIDE the City and INSIDE the Holy of Holies?
    Here is where we disagree.
    I don't see Israel making a pact with this Gentile King (though it is a possibility). Rather the emphasis I see in Dan 9:27 is that of the 10 kings who make a pact together.
    This will be co-ordinated/brought about by the Beast, but he will not be one of the kings at the time.
    Israel will possible have some for of détente with this alliance and so be able to build the Temple next to the Mosque - having determined that the site if the Temple is actually different to where the mosque is.
    Yet when they start this building the fragile peace will shatter and an invasion by the 10 kingdoms will start. This will be stopped by the appearance of the 2W.
    So sacrifice etc will continue for 1260 days.Yet when that time ends the Beast will come and kill the 2W and enter the Temple and declare himself god.

    I do not see those of Israel defiling the Holy of Holies, but rather it will be done by the Beast, just as he did in the time of A4E.

    It is no wonder that the Great Tribulation has its beginning in Jerusalem. And as you have said, it is all about whose allegiance one chooses. The Beast, or the Anointed of God. The end of the former is terrible. Revelation 14:9-11 promises:

    9 "And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
    11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."


    The phrase "ANY MAN" in verse 9 pertains to both Israelite and Gentile alike. I think Israel's darkest hour is still before them.
    I agree the darkest hour is before them, as is their time of salvation.

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    Re: The Great Tribulation will not affect Israel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trivalee View Post
    We know that the Two Witnesses' ministry will last for 3.5 years (Rev 11:3)
    Israel will escape into the wilderness to be protected and succoured for 3.5 years (Rev 12:6; 14)
    If the Great Tribulation is only for 3.5 years, it follows that the end of the 2Ws ministry will mark the beginning of the Tribulation.
    If this assertion is true, it means that Israel will not be affected by the great tribulation?

    Your thoughts...
    The Great tribulation is a SHORT EVENT, not a set 3.5 years. The TRIBULATION is a defined set of 7 years, but the Great Tribulation is CUT SHORT. A careful study of all the facts reveals this truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier_of_Faith View Post
    The Great tribulation is a SHORT EVENT, not a set 3.5 years. The TRIBULATION is a defined set of 7 years, but the Great Tribulation is CUT SHORT. A careful study of all the facts reveals this truth.
    7 years is NOT the tribulation. Not stated anywhere.
    The GT however is a 42 month reign of the Beast which IS stated in Rev 13.
    42 months (3.5 years) is a short time, when the alternative of 7 years is considered.
    The example given in scripture is 7 years good and 7 years bad (Genesis 41).

    So 7 years cut short is 3.5 years.
    A careful study of ALL the facts (and scriptures) shows this truth.

    The GT is NOT a short event itself, but it starts with Jerusalem and the events there occur rapidly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    That is the present situation. Will it be true when the trumpets are blown?
    When Revelation was written there was a great diaspora, but no mention of what would happen with them. So the focus is not on them, so we will be speculating to a large extent.
    True. Just to trust God on all things...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    The usual confusion here and in the replies, of thinking that it is Jewish Israel, who are in the Land when the AC conquers them.
    Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7, make it clear that the people in the Land at that time, are God's holy people. His faithful Christians, who have proved their trust in God through the Sixth Seal event. Revelation 7:9-14

    Many clearly stated prophesies tell us that the current inhabitants of all the holy Land area, will be killed. Excepting for a holy seed of Messianic Jews in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:1-4, Zechariah 13:7-9, +
    Then the Lord's faithful Christian people, from every nation, will gather and live there as the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5
    They will live in peace and prosperity, Zechariah 8:1-8; the Lord will destroy their attackers; Gog from Magog, but when the leader of the One World Govt comes to them and proposes a 7 year peace treaty, they fail to wholly trust the Lord and many agree to it. Daniel 11:32, Isaiah 28:14-15

    This is proved by Revelation 12:17, where those Christians who did agree, must remain in the holy Land, facing persecution and the effects of the Great Tribulation. However, this is the time when the 2 Witnesses will be preaching to them, so most will reassert their faith in God.
    As untenable as your claim that every believer all over the world will at some unspecified time emigrate to Jerusalem before Jesus returns is, it has not stopped you from promoting it. I am sure that am not alone in believing that until Jesus returns, the land of Israel will remain a Jewish homeland. Neither Dan 7:25 nor Rev 13:7 corroborates your claim that every Christian will be in Jerusalem at that time. What the passages agree is that power is given to the Beast to oppress the saints during his 3.5 years rule.

    I don't know the prophecies that supposedly "stated" that ALL the current inhabitants of Israel will be killed. My Bible certainly doesn't say so. It is regrettable that you grossly misinterpret scripture and therein lies the bane of your case.

    What you have presented here at best, is akin to putting the cart before the horse. Your order of the events is a mismatch. The true order is as follows:

    1. The 2Ws appear and after their 1260 days ministry, the Beast shows up and kills them.
    2. After 3.5 days of their corpse lying on street in Jerusalem, they will get up and dust off the dirt off their clothes and ascend to heaven.
    3. From the time the 2Ws are killed, the faithful will run for dear life and head for the desert (Rev 12:6 & 14) where they will be divinely protected for the duration of the 3.5 years of the Tribulation.
    4. The Beast goes berserk with rage after the witnesses rise from death and the Great Tribulation begins.
    6. Jerusalem capitulates to the Beast and he slaughters the intransigents who refused to flee, their wives are raped, etc. (Zech 14:2).
    5. After the GT, the Messiah returns with his saints (before his return, both the dead and the living will rise up to meet him in the air).
    6. Thereafter, utopia and bliss will ensue in the NJ as the millennium starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    Daniel 12:1 written to "Daniel's People"; "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." If the "trouble" is "such as never was" then it must encompass the whole earth for then the great flood would have been worse.

    Revelation 3:10 written to the Church; "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

    Matthew 24:15-21 written to those in Judea who could "SEE" the Abomination of Desolation;
    15 "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    ...
    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."


    The Great Tribulation, greater than Noah's flood, STARTS IN JERUSALEM!

    But here is a worse thought concerning Israel and the time of the end. The word "generation" is much discuss, especially in Matthew 12:39, 16:4 and Luke 11:29. The way scripture uses "generation" is NOT PRIMARILY to show years that it takes to "generate" offspring. Even if one studies the various cases where it does, there is no fixed length of time for one generation to generate the next. Rather, "generation" is used to show WHAT is GENERATED. This follows from Genesis 1:11-12 where every living thing with its seed in itself will "generate" the SAME. So in the Gospels especially, the Jewish Leadership was a "generation of Vipers", showing that they had the serpentine nature and the children they produced had the SAME NATURE. That is why it is ONE "generation" spanning hundreds of years that will be responsible for the blood of men far in the past (Luke 11:50-51).

    Now, our Lord Jesus said that NO sign would be given the Serpentine, unfaithful and adulterous "generation" of Israelites EXCEPT that of Jonah. This SIGN where our Lord Jesus was in the "heart of the earth" for three days has been accomplished. But CONTRARY to our Lord's words, in Matthew 24:30 a SIGN is given to those who will see Jesus touch down on Mount Olives. Did our Lord make a mistake? Is the Bible reliable? NO! Our Lord did not make a mistake IF THAT GENERATION IS ALL DEAD. If every evil, unfaithful and adulterous Jew is dead, then our Lord can give a sign of His coming. But that means, except for the 144,000 Jews of Revelation 7:1-8 who are sealed, ALL JEWS LIVING AT THE TIME JACOB'S TROUBLE WILL BE KILLED BY THE GREAT TRIBULATION.

    Here is the punchline then. In Revelation 13:8 all men who worship the Beast are not written in the Book of Life. But Daniel promises that of Daniel's People, the Jews, in 12:1, "... at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." That is, in addition to my theory, here is proof that every Jew who embraces the Beast is not in the "Book" and will NOT BE DELIVERED in the Great Tribulation.

    What think ye of this, men?
    Yes, I agree with your position. And thank you for the insight on "this generation" for as you know, a lot of cases (good and bad) have been built on the text depending on the individual's understanding of it. For example, you will recall that our esteemed brother, Randy's unshakable view that the GT started from 70 AD is based on his understanding that when Jesus said "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled" (Matt 24:34) he was referring to those who lived at the time Jesus first walked the earth. But I am not alone in strenuously arguing against his interpretation of *this generation*.

    I am glad you went far back to Gen 1:11-12 to highlight the Bibles meaning of *generation*. And further, in support of the view that "there is no fixed length of time for one generation to generate the next", I have personally argued that generation in any given context, denotes the people living at the time in discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    I think that you have addressed the most important point in both your postings. The culmination of the last age was Israel's choice of either Jesus of Bethlehem, or Caesar of Rome. Despite their Law, which they totally violated in the trial of Jesus, they chose a Gentile king. Then they murdered Jesus and later murdered His disciple. The culmination of this age is Israel's choice of either Jesus, most famous and most studied character in history, Who fulfilled over 330 prophecies from the Tanakh, or the choice of a Gentile Caesar who is resurrected and does lying wonders.

    Israel, still under the same Law, make a seven year pact with this Gentile king, in which "THE" covenant is strengthened (Dan.9:26-27). This must allow the building of a fresh Temple for the Law cannot be fulfilled without a Temple (Deut.2:5, 11, 12:21, 14:23-24, 16:2 etc.), and Israel, after 3.5 years, ALLOW;
    • the daily oblation to cease at the order of the Beast (Dan.9:27)
    • the Beast to sit in the Temple as God (2nd Thess.2:4)
    • the Beast to build a golden effigy of himself (Rev.13:14)
    • the Beast to be worshiped (Rev.13:12)
    • the Beast's effigy to be worshiped (Rev.13:15)
    • the Beast's Mark of dependency on their daily supply in their flesh (Rev.13:16)

    Now, Jerusalem, though defiled and trodden by Gentiles, and though, "... spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified" (Rev.11:8), is still, "... Jerusalem; the city of the great King" (Matt.5:35). That is, if a Temple is erected by Jews in Jerusalem, God by OWNERSHIP owns this Temple. What the Jews do above is the ULTIMATE OFFENSE. It is one TERRIBLE thing to kill Messiah OUTSIDE the City, but what about defiling God's Citadel and House INSIDE the City and INSIDE the Holy of Holies?

    It is no wonder that the Great Tribulation has its beginning in Jerusalem. And as you have said, it is all about whose allegiance one chooses. The Beast, or the Anointed of God. The end of the former is terrible. Revelation 14:9-11 promises:

    9 "And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
    11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."


    The phrase "ANY MAN" in verse 9 pertains to both Israelite and Gentile alike. I think Israel's darkest hour is still before them.
    Fenris will undoubtedly disagree with you as he has done every account of the eschatology that requires the coming of Jesus in glory.

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