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    Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Really. What is nonsense ? To believe a week is a week or a week is actually to be translated to years? Think about. Let's say you are speaking with an unbeliever about the 70 weeks are you tell him you are not to accept a week is a literal week in this passage. Then you go on to tell him you must be born again? He will tell you that you are making the scriptures say what you want, goodbye.

    If it were weeks to years then there should be no debate when they happened. It would be recorded history? If it were to be years the Spirit would have said. Why only this incidence?

    I will tell you why, because there is no serious bible student on earth which can figure out the prophesy if it were a future event.

    No my friend what is ludicrous is translating weeks to years.
    Let's see, the biggest majority of interpreters during the past cpl thousand years all agree with one another that week of years are meant. But you want us to believe that you alone are correct instead, and that it's really meaning literal weeks and not weeks of years like millions of others have been concluding this whole time? If that wouldn't be pursuing nonsense, what would it be pursuing? Granted, the majority isn't always correct every single time. But in this case what are the chances that the majority is wrong about this, and you alone are correct about it instead? How about the chances are 1 in 900 million that you are correct? Do you like those odds?

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    and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


    Who is it that does this though? How can it not be the following....the prince that shall come(Daniel 9:26). How can that be meaning Christ? In verse 27 what is it that is being made desolate? It has to be something already mentioned in verse 27. What was already mentioned in verse 27? and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease

    Therefore, these parts go together and form one thought, thus are connected----and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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    Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    Not that I agree, but would this indicate everything listed in verse 27 is fulfilled during the 70th week like I have been trying to explain? If yes, at least that interpretation is agreeing with the text, unlike some of these interpretations around here that are clearly not agreeing with the text if those interpretations have some of verse 27 being fulfilled after the 70th week, rather than during it like the text clearly indicates.
    Yes it can’t be about 70AD but I do think that the Olivia discourse is about 70AD. I think that Jesus was saying that what happened in the past with Aniochus epehanies would happen again but this time with a much worse outcome this time there would be no Maccabees to save them

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    Yes it can’t be about 70AD but I do think that the Olivia discourse is about 70AD. I think that Jesus was saying that what happened in the past with Aniochus epehanies would happen again but this time with a much worse outcome this time there would be no Maccabees to save them
    Since everything in verse 27 is fulfilled during the 70th week, and assuming Christ is meant in that verse in regards to the part about the sacrifices ceasing, and that if the last clause is referring to 70 AD, the only way that can logically work, there would have to be a gap in the 70th week itself. Yet these same interpreters are arguing for no gaps whatsoever in the the 70 weeks. So I at least fully agree with you, 70 AD can't fit anything in verse 27.

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    Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    Since everything in verse 27 is fulfilled during the 70th week, and assuming Christ is meant in that verse in regards to the part about the sacrifices ceasing, and that if the last clause is referring to 70 AD, the only way that can logically work, there would have to be a gap in the 70th week itself. Yet these same interpreters are arguing for no gaps whatsoever in the the 70 weeks. So I at least fully agree with you, 70 AD can't fit anything in verse 27.
    Thanks I see it as Daniel was told about the First desecration and Jesus spoke about the second desecration

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    Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    Since everything in verse 27 is fulfilled during the 70th week, and assuming Christ is meant in that verse in regards to the part about the sacrifices ceasing, and that if the last clause is referring to 70 AD, the only way that can logically work, there would have to be a gap in the 70th week itself. Yet these same interpreters are arguing for no gaps whatsoever in the the 70 weeks. So I at least fully agree with you, 70 AD can't fit anything in verse 27.
    The 70 weeks has to do with the anointing of the most holy place rather than the destruction of the sanctuary and the city.

    The end of the 70 weeks would bring.....,
    24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,
    to finish the transgression,
    to make an end of sin,
    to make atonement for iniquity,
    to bring in everlasting righteousness,
    to seal up vision and prophecy
    and to anoint the most holy place.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    The 70 weeks has to do with the anointing of the most holy place rather than the destruction of the sanctuary and the city.

    The end of the 70 weeks would bring.....,
    24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,
    to finish the transgression,
    to make an end of sin,
    to make atonement for iniquity,
    to bring in everlasting righteousness,
    to seal up vision and prophecy
    and to anoint the most holy place.
    Yes and that did happen after Antiochus epehanies died and the temple was redeadicated

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    Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    THE 70 WEEKS ARE LITERAL WEEKS!!!!!!

    Can anybody even entertain this idea? Good grief. Can it just be that weeks really mean weeks? Have we all been brainwashed?

    The fact is that the 70 are weeks not years and have yet commenced.

    The 70th week begins with a future 7 day Feast of Tabernacles wherein Christ shall return.
    I did consider it, but then we need to recognise that it MUST fit with certain things ALL occurring WITHIN the 70 literal weeks.

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    Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Really. What is nonsense ? To believe a week is a week or a week is actually to be translated to years? Think about. Let's say you are speaking with an unbeliever about the 70 weeks are you tell him you are not to accept a week is a literal week in this passage. Then you go on to tell him you must be born again? He will tell you that you are making the scriptures say what you want, goodbye.

    If it were weeks to years then there should be no debate when they happened. It would be recorded history? If it were to be years the Spirit would have said. Why only this incidence?

    I will tell you why, because there is no serious bible student on earth which can figure out the prophesy if it were a future event.

    No my friend what is ludicrous is translating weeks to years.
    It isn't ludicrous either way around, as the word used literally means "sevens". This can refer to a week of days (seven days) or a week of years (seven years).
    The root in Hebrew is the same, and is also the root from which we get Sabbath.

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    Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberseeker View Post
    There are several matters that we need to consider when searching for the start of the 70th week. The most important barely gets a mention on end-time forums, that Daniels ‘weeks’ were actually the Sabbath years. There was not a separate count of seven; it was one and the same as the Shemitah which had been counting (though not always observed) since Moses. (Lev. 25:1-7)

    The next matter is a technical problem that throws the count out sometimes. Modern Jewish calendars call the New Year ‘Rosh Hashanah’ and start their years in Tishri. (Sept) It was not always so because Moses explicitly said New Year was Nisan. (Exodus 12:2,17) So, when you see the vertical lines in the timeline, they mark Nisan (March) – not Tishri.

    Unfortunately, the Hebrew calendar was tampered with during the Inter-testament years.
    What does Ezra say?
    Ezra does tell us what we need to know.
    However you cannot ignore any part of the prophecy, and the angel explained it was 3 blocks which totalled up came to 70.
    The angel did NOT say they are consecutive, and to claim otherwise is to ignore the evidence WITHIN the prophecy where it is split AND the evidence WITHOUT - such as in Ezra, Nehemiah and Jeremiah which also shows it was split.

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    Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    Yes and that did happen after Antiochus epehanies died and the temple was redeadicated
    What of the other 5 points? Who made atonement at that time?
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    The 70 weeks has to do with the anointing of the most holy place rather than the destruction of the sanctuary and the city.

    The end of the 70 weeks would bring.....,
    24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,
    to finish the transgression,
    to make an end of sin,
    to make atonement for iniquity,
    to bring in everlasting righteousness,
    to seal up vision and prophecy
    and to anoint the most holy place.
    So wouldn't it make better sense that it is anointed some time after the holy city has been destroyed, rather than it is anointed, then the holy city is destroyed some time thereafter? Why would the 70 weeks finish first, where that indicates the transgression upon the holy city is finished, then this very same holy city where the transgression upon it is now finished, it gets destroyed some years later? That doesn't sound like the transgression upon the holy city was finished. That sounds like someone's idea of a bad joke if that was what really happened. But I don't think God would be into making a bad joke out of any of these things though.

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    Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    So wouldn't it make better sense that it is anointed some time after the holy city has been destroyed, rather than it is anointed, then the holy city is destroyed some time thereafter? Why would the 70 weeks finish first, where that indicates the transgression upon the holy city is finished, then this very same holy city where the transgression upon it is now finished, it gets destroyed some years later? That doesn't sound like the transgression upon the holy city was finished. That sounds like someone's idea of a bad joke if that was what really happened. But I don't think God would be into making a bad joke out of any of these things though.
    It not just about the city, but the people also. Was atonement made for the people before the sanctuary was destroyed again in 70 AD? I believe it was, once and for all. This established an everlasting righteousness for us.
    Jesus had said he had completed the work God sent him to do , yet predicted the destruction of the sanctuary and the city. He ascended to the Father to prepare the city for us that will descend for us in the future. We are the city.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    It not just about the city, but the people also. Was atonement made for the people before the sanctuary was destroyed again in 70 AD? I believe it was, once and for all. This established an everlasting righteousness for us.
    Jesus had said he had completed the work God sent him to do , yet predicted the destruction of the sanctuary and the city. He ascended to the Father to prepare the city for us that will descend for us in the future. We are the city.
    Sorry Jeff but ducking the point doesn't work.
    The Holy Place is INCLUDED.
    Further it doesn't say that everlasting righteousness is simply brought in but that there is an end to transgression and an end to prophecy.
    However John prophesied many decades after this 70 weeks is claimed as being completed.
    Walls highlighted a number of points all of which disprove that the 70 weeks is over.
    This 70 weeks was not stated as conditional, but that there was a simple limit. When the 70 weeks is over so too are the other things.

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    Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    Sorry Jeff but ducking the point doesn't work.
    The Holy Place is INCLUDED.
    Further it doesn't say that everlasting righteousness is simply brought in but that there is an end to transgression and an end to prophecy.
    However John prophesied many decades after this 70 weeks is claimed as being completed.
    Walls highlighted a number of points all of which disprove that the 70 weeks is over.
    This 70 weeks was not stated as conditional, but that there was a simple limit. When the 70 weeks is over so too are the other things.
    Do you disagree that atonement has already been made.? If it has been made then it was completed in the 70th week, along with the rest of those points
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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