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    DOJ Ties a Trump FISA Release to Obstruction

    This is a scary action, IMO. Transparency is a disinfectant. Time for some transparency.

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    In court filings last week the Department of Justice deployed what could be the nuclear option in its latest effort to prevent President Trump from declassifying information regarding FISA warrants used to spy on his campaign aide Carter Page: It is claiming that such a move would interfere with Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.

    This is the first time the DOJ has explicitly made this argument implying personal peril for the president, since interference could open Trump to charges of obstruction of justice. Until now, the department has argued that declassifying the documents threatened national security.


    Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.
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    In the 178-page court document, DOJ officials said they had “determined that disclosure of redacted information in the Carter Page FISA documents could reasonably be expected to interfere with the pending investigation into Russian election interference."

    That rationale has heightened suspicions among congressional investigators that the special counsel is being used to prevent the disclosure of possible FBI abuses and crimes committed during the Russia probe. Opened by the FBI in July 2016, the Russia investigation was taken over by Mueller when Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein appointed him special counsel in 2017.

    By the DOJ’s logic, according to one source, the fact that the investigation is ongoing protects it from scrutiny, including the president’s.

    Neither the Department of Justice nor the Office of the Special Counsel would respond directly to this charge.

    "The obstruction trap was built into the special counsel," a congressional investigator told RCI, speaking, like the two other sources in this article, only on condition of anonymity.  “If Trump fires Mueller, or Rosenstein, or declassifies documents [embarrassing to the FBI] it’s likely to bring an obstruction charge.”

    And that would mean double jeopardy for Trump. “Obstruction is the instrument the Democrats are likely to use to impeach Trump if they win the House,” said the congressional source.

    The upshot is that the president will likely hold off on declassification,  at least until after the midterms in November, and  congressional investigators are likely to be stymied, at least for now, in their quest to expose what they call Obama-era surveillance abuses.


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    The DOJ’s latest decision to not declassify the documents came in response to a March 2017 Freedom of Information Act request from a nonprofit, the James Madison Project, seeking records related to Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act applications or warrants to monitor the Trump campaign and associates.

    In July, the Justice Department released heavily redacted versions of the four warrants taken out on Page. They confirmed the House Intelligence Committee’s February memo arguing that the warrant relied on Clinton-funded opposition research, the so-called Steele dossier. Now congressional oversight committees are requesting declassification of 20 pages from the final Page warrant.


    The response to the Madison Project further fed a suspicion that the special counsel was intended from the beginning to be a mechanism to protect senior officials, by circumventing lines of authority that might have proved more favorable to shedding light on the Russia investigation.


    “Rosenstein knew there was no collusion case,” said a second congressional source. “But he still appointed Mueller as special counsel. That took the Russia investigation away from the FBI and gave Rosenstein ultimate control of it. It’s not an investigation, it’s leverage.”


    The sources told RCI that the president and the DOJ are at a standoff. “Trump knows that what’s in those documents clears him of all the collusion stuff,” said a third congressional source, “and it shows the FBI was doing some very bad things.”

    But what’s now keeping Trump from pulling the curtain back on the Russia investigation is the probe itself. “That’s the leverage the DOJ has on Trump,” explained this source. “Nothing on Russia or collusion or anything like that — it’s the actual investigation. If he’s seen to be interfering, they move to obstruction.”


    Supporters of this view note that by the time Rosenstein appointed Mueller in May 2017, the FBI had been monitoring Page’s communications for more than half a year. It appears they had nothing on him, but the warrant was renewed one last time in June. “If the FBI had evidence against Page for collusion,” said the third source, “you’d think he’d have been indicted.”

    Rosenstein’s leverage may explain why Trump has resisted the calls of congressional Republicans and other allies who believe he can clear his name by unveiling evidence of abuses and possible crimes committed during the Russia probe.

    The release of the court documents makes it clear that any such move would potentially push the investigation into a different and even more dangerous phase.

    Trump’s ability to push back on the special counsel is limited. What may look to some like a series of well-plotted countermeasures are instead events that have worked to his fortune.

    For instance, Attorney General Jeff Sessions has announced that there are 27 open investigations of leaks. But the recent indictment of a Senate intelligence staffer for lying to the FBI regarding Russia investigation-related incidents and the arrest of a Treasury Department official for leaking Russia probe-related information appear to be unrelated to that announcement.


    The recent news that Rosenstein had considered recording the president for the purpose of removing him from office in 2017 was not unearthed by Trump allies. Rather, it emerged as the result of a public feud between the deputy attorney general and former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe, now facing a grand jury. Rosenstein said he had been joking about the wiretap.

    Trump, according to one source, knows that Rosenstein is not on his side. If he were to fire him, however, that would provide a

    Democratic-controlled House with another possible case for obstruction.


    For at least the next two weeks until the midterms, Trump’s hands are tied.


    If Republicans hold the House, congressional investigators will become even more aggressive – especially if Trump replaces Sessions, who has recused himself from the Russia probe.


    If Democrats win the House, it is likely they will shut down many of the investigations into the DOJ and FBI. That outcome, sources say, helps explain why DOJ keeps raising roadblocks to transparency.


    “DOJ is just playing to delay,” said one of the sources. “They’re banking on Democrats taking the House back in November, at which time the [congressional] investigations go away.”


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    Re: DOJ Ties a Trump FISA Release to Obstruction

    Party of the silent coup. I don't have much hope it will be unraveled.
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    Re: DOJ Ties a Trump FISA Release to Obstruction

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    Party of the silent coup. I don't have much hope it will be unraveled.
    I wish the president would have already declassified that stuff. President Trump may be just the man to declassify it anyway and then sit back and force the DOJ to make the charges stick.

    Praying for the exposure of all government corruption that seeks to use the government as a weapon against citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    I wish the president would have already declassified that stuff. President Trump may be just the man to declassify it anyway and then sit back and force the DOJ to make the charges stick.

    Praying for the exposure of all government corruption that seeks to use the government as a weapon against citizens.
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    Re: DOJ Ties a Trump FISA Release to Obstruction

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    This is a scary action, IMO. Transparency is a disinfectant. Time for some transparency.

    https://www.realclearinvestigations....struction.html


    Sounds like the left is afraid of a little transparency. I hope Trump declassifies every bit of it that he can.

    Won't it be interesting to find out that the FISA warrant was unjustified? Lol!
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    Re: DOJ Ties a Trump FISA Release to Obstruction

    And the story continues. The FBI corruption may be startling when all this comes out. Too bad we weren't able to investigate the IRS as well back when they were going after conservative groups prior to the 2012 election. Anyway, at some point, hopefully the nation will turn to desiring the truth about how this investigation came about.

    By John Solomon
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    Just before Thanksgiving, House Republicans amended the list of documents they’d like President Trump to declassify in the Russia investigation. With little fanfare or explanation, the lawmakers, led by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), added a string of emails between the FBI and the Department of Justice (DOJ) to their wish list.

    Sources tell me the targeted documents may provide the most damning evidence to date of potential abuses of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), evidence that has been kept from the majority of members of Congress for more than two years.

    The email exchanges included then-FBI Director James Comey, key FBI investigators in the Russia probe and lawyers in the DOJ’s national security division, and they occurred in early to mid-October, before the FBI successfully secured a FISA warrant to spy on Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

    The email exchanges show the FBI was aware — before it secured the now-infamous warrant — that there were intelligence community concerns about the reliability of the main evidence used to support it: the Christopher Steele dossier.

    The exchanges also indicate FBI officials were aware that Steele, the former MI6 British intelligence operative then working as a confidential human source for the bureau, had contacts with news media reporters before the FISA warrant was secured.

    The FBI fired Steele on Nov. 1, 2016 — two weeks after securing the warrant — on the grounds that he had unauthorized contacts with the news media.

    But the FBI withheld from the American public and Congress, until months later, that Steele had been paid to find his dirt on Trump by a firm doing political opposition research for the Democratic Party and for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, and that Steele himself harbored hatred for Trump.

    If the FBI knew of his media contacts and the concerns about the reliability of his dossier before seeking the warrant, it would constitute a serious breach of FISA regulations and the trust that the FISA court places in the FBI.

    That’s because the FBI has an obligation to certify to the court before it approves FISA warrants that its evidence is verified, and to alert the judges to any flaws in its evidence or information that suggest the target might be innocent.

    We now know the FBI used an article from Yahoo News as independent corroboration for the Steele dossier when, in fact, Steele had talked to the news outlet.

    If the FBI knew Steele had that media contact before it submitted the article, it likely would be guilty of circular intelligence reporting, a forbidden tactic in which two pieces of evidence are portrayed as independent corroboration when, in fact, they originated from the same source.

    These issues are why the FBI email chain, kept from most members of Congress for the past two years, suddenly landed on the declassification list.

    The addition to the list also comes at a sensitive time, as House Republicans prepare on Friday to question Comey, who signed off on the FISA warrant while remaining an outlier in the intelligence community about the Steele dossier.

    Most intelligence officials, such as former CIA Director John Brennan and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, have embraced the concerns laid out in the Steele dossier of possible — but still unproven — collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

    Yet, 10 months after the probe started and a month after Robert Mueller was named special counsel in the Russia probe, Comey cast doubt on the the Steele dossier, calling it “unverified” and “salacious” in sworn testimony before Congress.

    Former FBI lawyer Lisa Page further corroborated Comey’s concerns in recent testimony before House lawmakers, revealing that the FBI had not corroborated the collusion charges by May 2017, despite nine months of exhaustive counterintelligence investigation.

    Lawmakers now want to question Comey about whether the information in the October email string contributed to the former FBI director’s assessment.

    The question long has lingered about when the doubts inside the FBI first surfaced about the allegations in the Steele dossier.

    Sources tell me the email chain provides the most direct evidence that the bureau, and possibly the DOJ, had reasons to doubt the Steele dossier before the FISA warrant was secured.

    Sources say the specifics of the email chain remain classified, but its general sentiments about the Steele dossier and the media contacts have been discussed in nonclassified settings.

    “If these documents are released, the American public will have clear and convincing evidence to see the FISA warrant that escalated the Russia probe just before Election Day was flawed and the judges [were] misled,” one knowledgeable source told me.

    Congressional investigators also have growing evidence that some evidence inserted into the fourth and final application for the FISA — a document signed by current Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein — was suspect.

    Nunes hinted as much himself in comments he made on Sean Hannity’s Fox News TV show on Nov. 20, when he disclosed the FBI email string was added to the declassification request. The release of the documents will “give finality to everyone who wants to know what their government did to a political campaign” and verify that the Trump campaign did not collude with Russia during the election, Nunes said.

    As more of the secret evidence used to justify the Russia probe becomes public, an increasingly dark portrait of the FBI’s conduct emerges.

    The bureau, under a Democratic-controlled Justice Department, sought a warrant to spy on the duly nominated GOP candidate for president in the final weeks of the 2016 election, based on evidence that was generated under a contract paid by his political opponent.

    That evidence, the Steele dossier, was not fully vetted by the bureau and was deemed unverified months after the warrant was issued.

    At least one news article was used in the FISA warrant to bolster the dossier as independent corroboration when, it fact, it was traced to a news organization that had been in contact with Steele, creating a high likelihood it was circular intelligence reporting.

    And the entire warrant, the FBI’s own document shows, was being rushed to approval by two agents who hated Trump and stated in their own texts that they wanted to “stop” the Republican from becoming president.

    If ever there were grounds to investigate the investigators, these facts provide the justification.

    Director Comey and Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein likely hold the answers, as do the still-classified documents. It’s time all three be put under a public microscope.

    John Solomon is an award-winning investigative journalist whose work over the years has exposed U.S. and FBI intelligence failures before the Sept. 11 attacks, federal scientists’ misuse of foster children and veterans in drug experiments, and numerous cases of political corruption. He is The Hill’s executive vice president for video.
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    https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/419901-fbi-email-chain-may-provide-most-damning-evidence-of-fisa-abuses-yet
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    Re: DOJ Ties a Trump FISA Release to Obstruction

    The most important part is right here:

    the FBI has an obligation to certify to the court before it approves FISA warrants that its evidence is verified, and to alert the judges to any flaws in its evidence or information that suggest the target might be innocent.

    We now know the FBI used an article from Yahoo News as independent corroboration for the Steele dossier when, in fact, Steele had talked to the news outlet.

    If the FBI knew Steele had that media contact before it submitted the article, it likely would be guilty of circular intelligence reporting, a forbidden tactic in which two pieces of evidence are portrayed as independent corroboration when, in fact, they originated from the same source.
    This is much more serious than Watergate ever was. Yet the media still reports on the whole phenomena as if Trump and Co. are the wrongdoers and not the Obama Justice Department. People should be jailed over this. It's an abuse of authority at the highest levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    The most important part is right here:



    This is much more serious than Watergate ever was. Yet the media still reports on the whole phenomena as if Trump and Co. are the wrongdoers and not the Obama Justice Department. People should be jailed over this. It's an abuse of authority at the highest levels.

    It's astounding to me Fenris. It makes Watergate look like the 2nd rate burglary attempt it really was but few seem to care. The cover up was so distasteful to us (as a country) back then that we went far to the left with our next president. It was horrible! But what is happening today with the great bureaucracy is down right scary! Every American, regardless of race, or politics or any other differientiator one may wish to mention, should be worried about such abuse of power!

    Do you have read Paglia? She is about as far left as anyone can get, but she sees the danger of the current progressive bureaucrats as much as I do. Here's a link to a question and answer she gave not too long ago to the Spectator. What she says about the "deep state" is interesting.

    https://spectator.us/camille-paglia-hillary-trump/

    Does the ‘deep state’ exist? If so, what is it?

    The deep state is no myth but a sodden, intertwined mass of bloated, self-replicating bureaucracy that constitutes the real power in Washington and that stubbornly outlasts every administration. As government programs have incrementally multiplied, so has their regulatory apparatus, with its intrusive byzantine minutiae. Recently tagged as a source of anti-Trump conspiracy among embedded Democrats, the deep state is probably equally populated by Republicans and apolitical functionaries of Bartleby the Scrivener blandness. Its spreading sclerotic mass is wasteful, redundant, and ultimately tyrannical.

    I have been trying for decades to get my fellow Democrats to realize how unchecked bureaucracy, in government or academe, is inherently authoritarian and illiberal. A persistent characteristic of civilizations in decline throughout history has been their self-strangling by slow, swollen, and stupid bureaucracies.
    The current atrocity of crippling student debt in the US is a direct product of an unholy alliance between college administrations and federal bureaucrats — a scandal that ballooned over two decades with barely a word of protest from our putative academic leftists, lost in their post-structuralist fantasies. Political correctness was not created by administrators, but it is ever-expanding campus bureaucracies that have constructed and currently enforce the oppressively rule-ridden regime of college life.

    In the modern world, so wondrously but perilously interconnected, a principle of periodic reduction of bureaucracy should be built into every social organism. Freedom cannot survive otherwise.


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    Re: DOJ Ties a Trump FISA Release to Obstruction

    The whole scenario actually reminds me of an old police trick. I say "old" because nobody uses it anymore. It's illegal, and you'll see why.

    Say I have a strong feeling that drugs are being sold inside a location, but not enough evidence to get a search warrant. But I want to go inside and make an arrest. What to do? I call 911. I claim a crime in progress is happening inside the location. Dispatcher then assigns me the job for the crime in progress. Now I have a reason to enter the premises and take a look around. I see drugs? I make arrest.


    It's a clever but illegal way to circumvent 4th Amendment protections.

    So that's basically what happened with Trump. Only it's even worse, because there isn't even any underlying crime.
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    it all comes down to the wicked witch of the west, Hillary, who seems to be maintaining public contact.

    also trump and media are venoment enemies. media can say what ever they please about trump true or false and when trump speaks the truth about media, he's a no good so and so. trump isn't one of them.

    thing is, note that its as obvious as the nose on their faces that these people are so corrupt that they go about their corruption with no regard for the public's obvious ability to see what they are doing. its that bad.

    one of the network news' if not more than one, will not address the president of the US as president trump or mr. president. disrespecting the voters that voted for him, like they don't count.


    the FBI showed its cards when the head resinized after meeting with Clinton during the election, no doubt he had something on her, which allowed that "I am for sale" idiot to take the position until trump fired him.
    same with the latest redrick over some journalist being killed in a Saudi embassy, who cares, its not our jurisdiction. but we have a doctored CIA report that we should believe and care about. and darn it they couldn't pin that one on trump.

    unfortunately President Trump is going to face this constant attack until he is out, or he becomes able to put fear of the Presidency, in there wicked hearts.
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