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    I don't get it. Your saying if I tell my boss a lie it's going to cause hardship in the entire community? Doesn't make sense.
    U think all evil is man alone and outside fources have nothing to do with anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Translucent1 View Post
    Some claim that Satan has power, others claim Satan is a liar and only goes after the weak and unwitting, others claim Satan does not exist.

    I think Satan is a tool used by God to preserve God's holiness. I made this conclusion after an incarnation of Satan appeared in my dream, having sex with my potential partner. Then when I woke up, I understood the truth of how vulnerable she is to evil, and it made me want to protect her even more.
    Satan does not have power over you in Christ. To believer Satan don't have poeer. We are saved from power of darkness which is attributed to Satan. But to unbelievers that people who have not believed in the finished work of Christ they are vunulrable to satan. Satan can only dominate the unbelievers or the unsaved. But to we believers we are perfect in Christ Jesus nothing can harm us. Thanks

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    Re: Does Satan have power?

    Quote Originally Posted by jaybird View Post
    what exactly is the cause for all the evil in the world?
    Satan is behind them all for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boangry View Post
    Short answer would be sin which we are all poisoned with.

    For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.
    And who induces us to sin? Who caused the fall of man in the garden of Eden?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybird View Post
    I don't get it. Your saying if I tell my boss a lie it's going to cause hardship in the entire community? Doesn't make sense.
    U think all evil is man alone and outside fources have nothing to do with anything?
    Satan, Satan and Satan is behind it all, folks

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    The devil made me do it. Lol roll eyes all that jazz

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybird View Post
    I don't get it. Your saying if I tell my boss a lie it's going to cause hardship in the entire community? Doesn't make sense.
    U think all evil is man alone and outside fources have nothing to do with anything?
    I'm saying if you tell your boss a lie you did it from your own selfish desires and you are responsible for it, not Satan or one of his little minions. The world is cursed and the environment we live in creates opportunity for us to sin but there is no demon or some mystical creatures using telepathic powers to put lust into our thoughts, we are sinners, ain't no loophole out of the fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trivalee View Post
    And who induces us to sin? Who caused the fall of man in the garden of Eden?
    Who caused pharaoh to harden his heart and sin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boangry View Post
    I'm saying if you tell your boss a lie you did it from your own selfish desires and you are responsible for it, not Satan or one of his little minions. The world is cursed and the environment we live in creates opportunity for us to sin but there is no demon or some mystical creatures using telepathic powers to put lust into our thoughts, we are sinners, ain't no loophole out of the fact.
    your not understanding what im saying. let me try again.

    why is it there is almost never a decent leader ruling governments, its been like this forever, someone like Jesus comes along and the rulers kill Him. it seems strange that this happens time and time again.
    the last 100 years, more than 100 BILLION have died in acts of conflict. who declares these wars? its not common people. common people, the 95 percent of this planet, have nothing to do with these wars yet we are affected by them and your telling me its the common people own fault?
    whats the deal with praying mantis, in the middle of procreation the female bites off the head of the male. this is something created by our Lord? if these were human beings it would be like texas chainsaw massacre times 20.
    i could go on and on but IMO its pretty clear there are some dark forces out there messing with this world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael01 View Post
    Satan does not have power over you in Christ. To believer Satan don't have poeer. We are saved from power of darkness which is attributed to Satan. But to unbelievers that people who have not believed in the finished work of Christ they are vunulrable to satan. Satan can only dominate the unbelievers or the unsaved. But to we believers we are perfect in Christ Jesus nothing can harm us. Thanks
    You realize that we are attacked by people being driven by Satan's demonic forces? We must learn to put on the armor and quell the attack without offending the person. If you claim to be a believer and are never attacked by your enemy, he must think you friendly. Maybe you are even on his team and don't know it. Sure, God can hedge us in, but what if He tells us to do it?

    John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."
    John 15:17 "These things I command you, that ye love one another."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybird View Post
    your not understanding what im saying. let me try again.
    Sorry, please do But have you noticed with this topic people are not clear and concise they tend to explain with innuendo and open ended examples...

    why is it there is almost never a decent leader ruling governments, its been like this forever, someone like Jesus comes along and the rulers kill Him. it seems strange that this happens time and time again.
    not sure what your point is, are you saying men are sinners and most reject God and it is apparent and more noticeable with this outworking in our leaders? or are you saying men would not do this they must be demons ruling our countries?
    the last 100 years, more than 100 BILLION have died in acts of conflict. who declares these wars? its not common people. common people, the 95 percent of this planet, have nothing to do with these wars yet we are affected by them and your telling me its the common people own fault?
    Sorry, not sure what your saying, I see that God raises up our leaders and uses them, and yea for sure it effects everyone? or are you saying there is some plan by demons to kill humans with wars?
    whats the deal with praying mantis, in the middle of procreation the female bites off the head of the male. this is something created by our Lord?
    you may have to explain this one more to me? God brilliantly designed the animal kingdom with unique and bizarre attributes it can seem a bit chaotic with animals killing animals, but what amazes me is that God designed them all before he created them and before the fall even occurred for He knew and it was going to happen.

    if these were human beings it would be like texas chainsaw massacre times 20.
    Natures bad?
    i could go on and on but IMO its pretty clear there are some dark forces out there messing with this world.
    I just find it interesting how different starting perspectives effect world views, you see demons behind everything bad, I see a fallen world and people who are sinners and the outworking of their sin behind everything bad.

    Question for you jaybird Do you see that if Satan and his demons are removed then no more wars and atrocities would happen?

    For If demons were actually running around, I wouldn't even give them that much credit, I see them as defeated and useless, when I read examples of what they did in the gospels they just seemed to torment common Israelites until the Lord came and freed them.

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    Re: Does Satan have power?

    Quote Originally Posted by boangry View Post
    Who caused pharaoh to harden his heart and sin?
    Pharaoh was in sin long before God hardened his heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff View Post
    Well, when Yeshua was tempted by Satan, Satan promised all the nations he would give to Yeshua if only Yeshua would worship him. That wouldn't be a temptation if Satan didn't actually have title deed to those nations.
    That's funny; Satan also "promised" Eve that she would not die if she ate the Fruit of the Tree...

    I have heard many messages preached on this very verse, how Satan owns all these kingdoms, because he said so right here... However, I have always thought about this:

    Satan said he would give these kingdoms because they were his to give. Satan is the Father of Lies. Everything that comes from his mouth is a lie. Why is it that THIS statement right here is the only one we actually think is NOT a lie???

    IF Satan truly owned all these kingdoms, why would he allow the Gospel to be preached? Why would there be houses for the poor, or hospitals? Would Satan really allow the Word of God to be printed in a kingdom that he "owns?"

    Satan is a liar; he does not own all these kingdoms; they are not, were not, ever his to give... he is the prince of them, but TRULY, Jesus is the King of Kings...
    Jesus said, "Out of the hardness of your hearts Moses gave a writ of divorce; but from the beginning it was not so." How many more things do you suppose are, "From the beginning, NOT so?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconcheff View Post
    That's funny; Satan also "promised" Eve that she would not die if she ate the Fruit of the Tree...

    I have heard many messages preached on this very verse, how Satan owns all these kingdoms, because he said so right here... However, I have always thought about this:

    Satan said he would give these kingdoms because they were his to give. Satan is the Father of Lies. Everything that comes from his mouth is a lie. Why is it that THIS statement right here is the only one we actually think is NOT a lie???

    IF Satan truly owned all these kingdoms, why would he allow the Gospel to be preached? Why would there be houses for the poor, or hospitals? Would Satan really allow the Word of God to be printed in a kingdom that he "owns?"

    Satan is a liar; he does not own all these kingdoms; they are not, were not, ever his to give... he is the prince of them, but TRULY, Jesus is the King of Kings...
    Satan is a liar, according to Scripture when he lies, he does so from himself: ... When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own ... John 8:44. To believe that Satan only lies is an assumption and a dangerous one, which this verse doesn't say, it says WHEN.

    When the Lord Jesus walked the earth Him was given the Spirit without measure ... for God giveth not the Spirit by measure ... John 3:34. For the disciples it was already possible to see through people (discerning of spirits 1 Cor. 12:10) like with Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5, yet they had the Spirit by measure.

    So we have established that Scripture teaches us that there is no point in lying to Jesus and that Satan doesn't lie always or all the time. That would be foolish, it is the mixture of truth and lies people swallow, hook, line and sinker.

    Now what is said about Satan and those kingdoms? Most think that Mat. 4:8 and Luke 4:5 are mere repetitions, but are they? Then in 2 Cor. 4:4 Paul says — so not Satan — that Satan is the god of this aion (not world). So unless you believe Paul to be a liar as well... I don't think you do, there is more to it.

    In Luke. 4:5 the Greek says: ... shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the oikoumene ... , the oikoumene is roughly the inhabited world around Israel. In Mat. 4:8 it says: ... and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the kosmos ... , the kosmos is the whole created world , which includes the created heavens.

    Just looking at 2 Cor. 4:4 and Mat. 4:8 shows that Satan wasn't lying to Jesus, he is the god of this aion, which runs from the flood till the second coming of our Lord. That this is true is confirmed by Daniel. In Dan. 10 we read about Daniel mourning for three weeks (v. 2), in v. 12 it says: ... for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard ... , so Daniel was heard from the first day of those three weeks. What do we read next?: But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days .... . Please note this is an angel speaking to Daniel and it took the help of Michael, another angel, for this angel to go to Daniel.

    So this Scripture teaches us that there are princes above the human kings who rule the kingdoms. Just see v. 20: ... and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come ... .

    So the power of Satan extends much of creation in this aion, and he may be the biggest liar, he doesn't always lie.

    Aristarkos

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    Re: Does Satan have power?

    Quote Originally Posted by boangry View Post
    I'm saying if you tell your boss a lie you did it from your own selfish desires and you are responsible for it, not Satan or one of his little minions. The world is cursed and the environment we live in creates opportunity for us to sin but there is no demon or some mystical creatures using telepathic powers to put lust into our thoughts, we are sinners, ain't no loophole out of the fact.
    Please read Paul's account of the origins of sin in man in Rom:1

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