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    Re: Heavenly Jerusalem comes to the old earth first PRIOR to Christ's return

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    AND you miss a key word here...."they" shall feed her. Who is they other than the people or the kings of the earth.????

    And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
    That's before the war in heaven even begins. That doesn't match with the 1260 days of the two witnesses. The "they" are those who serve God because she is in a special place prepared by God.

    You will never be able to make this woman into Babylon...nothing supports such a theory. Not a negative word is ever said about the woman in Rev 12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    Not a negative word is ever said about the woman in Rev 12.
    Her fleeing heaven shows lack of faith. Why did she flee from HEAVEN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Her fleeing heaven shows lack of faith. Why did she flee from HEAVEN?
    Uh, verse three says a dragon was there and verse 4 says she went to a place prepared for her by God so it was God's will for her to go there.
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    Re: Heavenly Jerusalem comes to the old earth first PRIOR to Christ's return

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    Nope the beast knows he can't get the 2W, he will send people to try who will be killed by fire from their mouths.
    Where does it say he sends people??????

    However when the 1260 days are up he will kill them and then sit in the temple and declare himself as god.
    Remember the last 42 months of the final week is the beast's rule. However he will have made a covenant with many for the time before hand.
    Satan does not make a covenant... again your error is thinking there are two sets of 1260 days!!!!!

    There is NO word they.
    Rev 12:6* and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days. (ESV)
    You have quoted the KJV and the word "they" is NOT in the original Greek. KJV is not the best translation though no translation is perfect.
    I see why you are unable to connect the dots...you are using a flawed translation. (ESV) published in 20001!!!! LOL!!! Are you kidding me!!!!!

    And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. KJV

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    Uh, verse three says a dragon was there and verse 4 says she went to a place prepared for her by God so it was God's will for her to go there.
    She would have been protected in heaven...….yes she went to a place prepared by God but was it for this time frame?

    I think in rev 21 she also goes to a place prepared by God, but in Rev 12 she went early.

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    Re: Heavenly Jerusalem comes to the old earth first PRIOR to Christ's return

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post


    I see why you are unable to connect the dots...you are using a flawed translation. (ESV) published in 20001!!!! LOL!!! Are you kidding me!!!!!

    And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. KJV
    "they" is not in the manuscripts the KJV uses either. It's purely a choice of the translators to use they but there is no "they" ever mentioned so it is a strange choice.

    Rev 12:6 AndG2532 theG3588 womanG1135 fledG5343 intoG1519 theG3588 wilderness,G2048 whereG3699 she hathG2192 a placeG5117 preparedG2090 ofG575 God,G2316 thatG2443 they should feedG5142 herG846 thereG1563 a thousand two hundred and threescoreG5507 G1250 G1835 days.G2250


    they should feedG5142

    The only word there is "feed" the rest was added.

    G5142
    τρέφω
    trephō
    Thayer Definition:
    1) to nourish, support
    2) feed
    3) to give suck, to fatten
    4) to bring up, nurture
    Part of Speech: verb
    A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a primary verb (properly, threpho; but perhaps strength. from the base of G5157 through the idea of convolution)
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    Re: Heavenly Jerusalem comes to the old earth first PRIOR to Christ's return

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    She would have been protected in heaven...….
    There was a war coming in heaven so God prepared a place for her to be fed and be safe from the dragon.

    yes she went to a place prepared by God but was it for this time frame?
    Obviously.

    I think in rev 21 she also goes to a place prepared by God, but in Rev 12 she went early.
    You are inserting the idea that it was too early, as well as inserting the idea that she would rebel with the beat....none of that is in any part of the bible . What this is is know as Eisegesis.

    Eisegesis is the process of interpreting a text or portion of text in such a way that the process introduces one's own presuppositions, agendas, or biases into and onto the text so the meaning of the text changes from what it originally was into something the Eisegete (an individual who practices eisegesis) wishes it to be.
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    Re: Heavenly Jerusalem comes to the old earth first PRIOR to Christ's return

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    You are inserting the idea that it was too early, as well as inserting the idea that she would rebel with the beat....none of that is in any part of the bible . What this is is know as Eisegesis.
    Your missing the big picture.

    Satan had to get her out from her closet early and upon earth so he could fornicate with her. The reason is that he is claiming to the world he is the Christ and could only do this from the holy city.

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    Re: Heavenly Jerusalem comes to the old earth first PRIOR to Christ's return

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post

    Your missing the big picture.

    Satan had to get her out from her closet early and upon earth so he could fornicate with her.
    That is still pure Eisegesis. You're painting your own big picture.
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    Re: Heavenly Jerusalem comes to the old earth first PRIOR to Christ's return

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Where does it say he sends people??????
    We are told they kill people from their mouths so someone sent them.

    Satan does not make a covenant...… again your error is thinking there are two sets of 1260 days!!!!!
    No the beast makes the covenant. He is the prince to come.
    There are most certainly two sets of 1260 days.
    You forget there is a period of 7 years. But then you are confused because you have only 70 weeks of 7 days, which really messes up your timings.

    I see why you are unable to connect the dots...you are using a flawed translation. (ESV) published in 20001!!!! LOL!!! Are you kidding me!!!!!
    And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. KJV
    No, I actually check the Greek Original upon which the KJV was based - the Textus Receptus.
    The ESV is a better translation than the KJV, clearing up a number of errors made by the KJV. None is perfect and we sometimes need to understand the Greek which does NOT say "they feed here" but states she is nourished. This is due to translator bias

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