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    and with him an hundred forty and four thousand

    I would say from looking at every one of these words. 100 A direct connection, 40 with my father in heaven and his son the king, 4000 who has taught me. Hope this helps.

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    Are the firstfruits of Rev 14 the same firstfruits of James 1:18 and are they from the same source Rev 7:4 James 1:1?

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    Re: Is there a firstfruits resurrection of the 144,000?

    Quote Originally Posted by percho View Post
    Are the firstfruits of Rev 14 the same firstfruits of James 1:18 and are they from the same source Rev 7:4 James 1:1?
    Yes, a firstfruit is one who is set aside for God. So there are many firstfruits.
    Jesus was a firstfruit.
    Because many can be firstfruits though does this make them part of the same group of first fruits? I would say not.
    IOW many may be firstfruits for God and not be part of the 144K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Reese View Post
    and with him an hundred forty and four thousand

    I would say from looking at every one of these words. 100 A direct connection, 40 with my father in heaven and his son the king, 4000 who has taught me. Hope this helps.
    1. These 144,000 werer REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH.
    2. They follow the Lamb and are seen with the Lamb on Sion which then would be IN HEAVEN.
    3. They are the ones singing FROM HEAVEN.
    4. This firstfruit harvest in BEFORE Christ returns as 7 vials still need to be poured out upon the earth.

    Deut 4:30 are some info.

    1 Being redeemed you can still be here on earth.
    2 Following Christ is just that here or else where. You can place yourself in Sion while on earth and see things from heavenly view.
    3 In heaven you will be as Christ has said like the angels.
    4 Harvest is as Christ has said the end of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by percho View Post
    Are the firstfruits of Rev 14 the same firstfruits of James 1:18
    No. "Kind of".... meaning those whom he speaks are of the same 12 tribes but not the actual 144,000 in the future.

    18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.


    and are they from the same source Rev 7:4 James 1:1?

    Same source different time. "kind of".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    HOW many may be firstfruits for God and not be part of the 144K.
    Zero...………………………...

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Reese View Post
    1 Being redeemed you can still be here on earth.
    Yes. BUT the text says FROM the earth or better "from off" the earth.

    2 Following Christ is just that here or else where. You can place yourself in Sion while on earth and see things from heavenly view.
    Along with Christ himself?

    4 Harvest is as Christ has said the end of the world.
    These 144,000 are redeemed, died and resurrected, BEFORE the harvest at the end of the world. IE FIRSTFRUITS. The first fruits are harvested before the main harvest of the season.

    They only are the army which comes back with Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Zero...………………………...
    Incorrect. Jesus is called firstfruits and He is not part of the 144K.
    The 2W are probably firstfruits and not mentioned as being part.

    IOW there are many who are firstfruits, however each is a firstfruits out of a group. Yet at the same time they are part of a group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    IOW there are many who are firstfruits,

    Christ and 2W.
    144,000

    Who else?

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    Re: Is there a firstfruits resurrection of the 144,000?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Christ and 2W.
    144,000

    Who else?
    Others we may not know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    Yes, a firstfruit is one who is set aside for God. So there are many firstfruits.
    Jesus was a firstfruit.
    Because many can be firstfruits though does this make them part of the same group of first fruits? I would say not.
    IOW many may be firstfruits for God and not be part of the 144K.
    Are the 144000 fristfruits, Singular by the way, of Rev 14 the same 144000 from the twelve tribes of Rev 7 and also from the twelve tribes of James 1:1/ fristfruits, Singular, of 1:18.

    All the same singular firstfruits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    No. "Kind of".... meaning those whom he speaks are of the same 12 tribes but not the actual 144,000 in the future.

    18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.





    Same source different time. "kind of".
    Are the firstfruits, singular of James of A. or B.
    A. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
    B. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

    Same question for the singular firstfruits of Rev 14.

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    Re: Is there a firstfruits resurrection of the 144,000?

    Quote Originally Posted by percho View Post
    Are the 144000 fristfruits, Singular by the way, of Rev 14 the same 144000 from the twelve tribes of Rev 7 and also from the twelve tribes of James 1:1/ fristfruits, Singular, of 1:18.

    All the same singular firstfruits?
    A firstfruit is the fruit that is ready first. It is of the same as the rest of the fruit, simply harvested and presented first.
    Jesus was a firstfruit - you might say THE firstfruit.
    Others are firstfruits in their own way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Yes. BUT the text says FROM the earth or better "from off" the earth.



    Along with Christ himself?

    If You Be in the Spirit then you are there, Then if no one comes to the father but thru Christ then you also can speak with the Father. You know this, its written so. Why don't you believe these words.

    These 144,000 are redeemed, died and resurrected, BEFORE the harvest at the end of the world. IE FIRSTFRUITS. The first fruits are harvested before the main harvest of the season.

    The 144,000 are here to advise His people but many doctrines forbid many things. If I was to say I came down from heaven, or I died again here on earth or was sent will you doctrine allow it.


    They only are the army which comes back with Christ.
    Christ had army's to call before earth was created.

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    This is whats going on here, God sends the angels they put on the flesh the other garment and leave that glory behind. Do you see this coming from the Temple in heaven.

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    And when they go forth into the utter court, even into the utter court to the people, they shall put off their garments wherein they ministered, and lay them in the holy chambers, and they shall put on other garments; and they shall not sanctify the people with their garments.

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