This generation shall not pass

[DPMartin]

this one chapter is always been either miss understood or deliberately used to deceive:

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.　
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

note three questions are asked 　"when shall these things be?" the destruction of the temple, and not His coming but the sign, " what shall be the sign of thy coming" and, "the end of the world"


and after some explanations while at the place He is to return to, which include:

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. ................
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: ).............
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

and states:
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.



so what did Jesus mean by "this generation shall not pass"? many think in terms where generation is a one of, or usually considered a 40 year period in "modern" thinking. but the truth is the principal meaning of generation is: The action of generating


In this case, which shall not pass, hence, "The action of generating", souls shall be born again until the angels come and get us, which stands with Paul's explanation of coming in the clouds and those who are still here will be caught up. so everything that Jesus says will happen, to the born again as well as the wicked, until verse 31. so the true believer that is here in the world during these times will remain until the angels come to get you at the last trumpet. and by the looks of things that could be us who are here today.

[DavePeace]

It's easier than all that. One has to read what all our Lord Jesus included with His Message about the generation He meant. And it's right there in the same sentence where He mentioned generation.

Matt 24:33-35
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
KJV

The key phrase is "all these things".

He said there when they "shall see all these things", and He linked it to that generation not passing away "till all these things be fulfilled." He made it easy, just got to stick what He said there and not try to twist it into mush.

The simple meaning of course is that the generation that 'sees all these things' will not pass away until 'all these things' are fulfilled.

That can mean only one specific generation, the last one on earth, i.e., the generation that will 'see' Jesus' 2nd coming in the clouds, because that is the final sign He gave about "all these things".

[DPMartin]

It's easier than all that. One has to read what all our Lord Jesus included with His Message about the generation He meant. And it's right there in the same sentence where He mentioned generation.

Matt 24:33-35
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
KJV

The key phrase is "all these things".

He said there when they "shall see all these things", and He linked it to that generation not passing away "till all these things be fulfilled." He made it easy, just got to stick what He said there and not try to twist it into mush.

The simple meaning of course is that the generation that 'sees all these things' will not pass away until 'all these things' are fulfilled.

That can mean only one specific generation, the last one on earth, i.e., the generation that will 'see' Jesus' 2nd coming in the clouds, because that is the final sign He gave about "all these things".

nope just had that conversation, the generation (as in those in the world then) that sees the temple destroyed in 70AD of which the first question the disciples asked "when shall these things be" was in reference to "There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down" will not be in the world some 1800 years or more later in which some of what Jesus spoke hasn't happened yet has it?

so the same people will not be in the world in 70 ad and 2018 ad; but in 1600s the word generation meant, and is still the principle meaning of in the OED

I. The action of generating.

1. a. The act or process of generating or begetting physically; procreation; propagation of species. For equivocal, spontaneous generation, see the adjs.

hence the act of generating in this case children of God , hasn't passed as of yet has it? and it started at Pentecost didn't it? Jesus doesn't speak from earthly point of views as you have here, He speaks from the view of the Kingdom of Heaven.

you should follow your own advise and read "all these things" which includes the destruction of the temple, not just the things at the end of the world. because if Jesus was specifically meaning what they who were standing there would see they couldn't have seen all those things could they?

[Pesachpup]

If the generation that sees the final fulfilment of all of these things, were only to see but the last of the things that Jesus was referring to (in 'all these things'), THEN "this generation" that sees all of these things fulfilled, does not mean the generation that seen the first of those things fulfilled, that included the destruction of the temple.

If that is the case then "this generation" means more than just the generation that saw some of these things fulfilled. And so, "this generation" is not a single generation of time, but rather refers to a generation of evil hearts. Multiple generations of time may or may not be included, but a reference to multiple time periods by the same phrase, "this generation", would mean that confusion is the result with no means of separating which generation referred to what particular events. Therefore, I conclude that "this generation", in reference to time, could only refer to one generation, otherwise it is not a reference to time.

Blessings
The PuP

[randyk]

this one chapter is always been either miss understood or deliberately used to deceive:

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.　
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

note three questions are asked 　"when shall these things be?" the destruction of the temple, and not His coming but the sign, " what shall be the sign of thy coming" and, "the end of the world"


and after some explanations while at the place He is to return to, which include:

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. ................
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: ).............
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

and states:
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.



so what did Jesus mean by "this generation shall not pass"? many think in terms where generation is a one of, or usually considered a 40 year period in "modern" thinking. but the truth is the principal meaning of generation is: The action of generating


In this case, which shall not pass, hence, "The action of generating", souls shall be born again until the angels come and get us, which stands with Paul's explanation of coming in the clouds and those who are still here will be caught up. so everything that Jesus says will happen, to the born again as well as the wicked, until verse 31. so the true believer that is here in the world during these times will remain until the angels come to get you at the last trumpet. and by the looks of things that could be us who are here today.

Not at all. A "generation" literally means a generation.

[DPMartin]

If the generation that sees the final fulfilment of all of these things, were only to see but the last of the things that Jesus was referring to (in 'all these things'), THEN "this generation" that sees all of these things fulfilled, does not mean the generation that seen the first of those things fulfilled, that included the destruction of the temple.

that's only "IF" therefore there is no true conclusion in your posting, which is only a garbage in garbage out scenario.

[ForHisglory]

Not at all. A "generation" literally means a generation.

Indeed, which is DEFINED by the CONTEXT which has EVERYTHING from the destruction of the temple TO His return.
This is why your claim about "this generation" meaning 70 AD is ONLY held by Preterists.
Everyone else recognises the problem in claiming it means people alive at the time because they will NOT see all these things.

If the generation that sees the final fulfilment of all of these things, were only to see but the last of the things that Jesus was referring to (in 'all these things'), THEN "this generation" that sees all of these things fulfilled, does not mean the generation that seen the first of those things fulfilled, that included the destruction of the temple.

If that is the case then "this generation" means more than just the generation that saw some of these things fulfilled. And so, "this generation" is not a single generation of time, but rather refers to a generation of evil hearts. Multiple generations of time may or may not be included, but a reference to multiple time periods by the same phrase, "this generation", would mean that confusion is the result with no means of separating which generation referred to what particular events. Therefore, I conclude that "this generation", in reference to time, could only refer to one generation, otherwise it is not a reference to time.

Blessings
The PuP

Or it simply means those who are generated - which would be Jews.
Which therefore is a promise that the Jews WILL NOT be wiped out, no matter how hard the dragon tries. The Holocaust was a serious attempt.

There will be another when the AC comes to power and declares himself god. This will be the last though as those who escape that TERRIBLE Day - the Day of Jacob's Trouble will then be nourished in the wilderness.

[DavePeace]

nope just had that conversation, the generation (as in those in the world then) that sees the temple destroyed in 70AD of which the first question the disciples asked "when shall these things be" was in reference to "There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down" will not be in the world some 1800 years or more later in which some of what Jesus spoke hasn't happened yet has it?

so the same people will not be in the world in 70 ad and 2018 ad; but in 1600s the word generation meant, and is still the principle meaning of in the OED

I. The action of generating.

1. a. The act or process of generating or begetting physically; procreation; propagation of species. For equivocal, spontaneous generation, see the adjs.

hence the act of generating in this case children of God , hasn't passed as of yet has it? and it started at Pentecost didn't it? Jesus doesn't speak from earthly point of views as you have here, He speaks from the view of the Kingdom of Heaven.

you should follow your own advise and read "all these things" which includes the destruction of the temple, not just the things at the end of the world. because if Jesus was specifically meaning what they who were standing there would see they couldn't have seen all those things could they?

Jesus was not pointing to the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem. He was pointing to the destruction of the buildings on the temple mount, which is what His disciples asked Him about:

Matt 24:1-3
24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and His disciples came to him for to shew Him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

So if you're going to try and claim this conversation has already been done, you've got another thing coming. What you are following instead wants to bypass what the simple Scripture is showing.


Matt.24:3
3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
KJV

They asked Jesus about the sign of His coming, meaning His 2nd coming of course, and then about the end of this present world, for that is... when His 2nd coming will be.

But what do the leaven doctrines of men try to do with that simple Scripture? They say, "Oh no... Jesus was talking about His disciple's day, and the coming 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem and the temple!"

Absolutely not! The day of His 2nd coming was NOT in 70 A.D.! But believe it or not, there are many crazies out there in the Preterist bent that even teach the falsehood that Jesus' 2nd coming WAS back in the His Apostle's day!!! Talk about leaven doctrines of men!?*#@!



But that's what one gets on forums like these, all sorts coming here to push the latest and greatest leaven doctrines of men they just got from some idea that just popped into their head, or from the latest seminary sermon in one of their Church organizations of men, or God knows from where else they get such ideas that leave the simplicity of God's Holy Writ.