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    What the Great Tribulation Really Will Be

    There's a lot of confusion about the coming time of "great tribulation" Jesus warned the Church about in Matthew 24 and Mark 13.

    Many have made small fortunes from selling books and movies about it which do not fit Scripture of actually what the tribulation will be about. Hal Lindsey is 89 and still pushing ideas about death and destruction and all out war for the very end of this world during the tribulation. Those things are NOT actually written to happen during the coming tribulation though.

    Matt 24:6
    6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass,
    but the end is not yet.
    KJV

    Lot of preachers quote that verse by our Lord Jesus, except they often forget to quote that very last phrase, "but the end is not yet." They'll go on a tangent about the tribulation being all out wars and rumors of wars, famines, pestilences, and earthquakes, but they won't quote that last phrase our Lord Jesus said there. So what was our Lord actually saying there?

    He showed there, that as long as we hear of wars and rumors of wars going on, then the 'end' is not yet. What "end"? That "end" is the actual time of "great tribulation" He warned us about in a later verse in Matthew 24:21. The hearing of wars and rumors of wars is not... the time of "great tribulation'! (Sorry Hal.)

    So what kind of time will the "great tribulation" be? Like Jesus said, as long as wars and rumors of wars are going on, the 'end' is not... yet. So the 'end' will be what kind... of time, one of wars still? No! it will be a time opposite of wars and rumors of wars! Is that what the Hal Lindsey types are preaching? Nope. They are preaching gloom and doom, all out war, pestilences, famines, etc., for the tribulation time. All that actually happens before... the tribulation at the "end".

    Even in the next Matthew 24:4-8 verses, our Lord showed that time before the end would be about wars, pestilences, famines, and earthquakes. And He called that time "the beginning of sorrows". That isn't the "end" though; the "end" is about the later time of "great tribulation". Do you see the difference?


    Here is how you will know when the time of the "end" begins, i.e., the "great tribulation" like our Lord Jesus warned:

    Matt 24:15-22
    15
    When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    21
    For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
    KJV

    When the event of an abomination idol being setup in a temple in Jerusalem happens, that... is the time for us to really be on watch. That is the time of the "end" our Lord Jesus referred to. That is what starts the time of "great tribulation" upon Christ's servants on earth, His Church. That tribulation will be upon those who refuse to bow to that pseudo-Christ that is come and set that abomination in place in Jerusalem. That is what the "abomination of desolation" is about which our Lord Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel (see Dan.11 about the "vile person" especially.)

    That time of the "end" will be a short time of world peace. It will be the time of the dragon's 42 month reign of Rev.13. The globalists will finally have their "one world government" when that pseudo-Christ shows up to exalt himself as God in Jerusalem (2 Thess.2). Per 1 Thess.5, the wicked and deceived will be proclaiming a time of "Peace and safety". All wars will have stopped. All religions will be under one head, the Antichrist. The mark required to buy and sell will be instituted, and all nations will be required to bow in worship to the beast, or to his image, and take the mark, or be killed.

    That time of "great tribulation" will not be a tribulation upon the wicked and deceived. It will be a tribulation specifically upon Christ's servants. We are who the dragon will be coming after. The rest of the world will be deceived into believing that false-Messiah will be God. That's why our Lord Jesus warned how that false one will work great signs and wonders that if possible, would deceive even His very elect (Matt.24:24).

    That's about 'supernatural' signs and miracles, not some religious politico sitting on a throne and showing the world how great he is, holding his hand out so you can kiss it. This is why it will be time on earth that no one has ever seen the likes of before, nor will it ever be again. It will be because of those miracles and wonders the Antichrist will work that will fool the majority into believing he is God.

    Again, it's that kind of working on earth, that will make that time a time of "great tribulation". It's not wars or rumors of wars, nor pestilences, nor earthquakes, that will make that a tribulation for the 'end'. It will be the appearance of the supernatural right here on earth! (Sorry Hal).

    Rev 13:13-17
    13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
    14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
    15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
    16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
    17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
    KJV


    Making fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men is a pretty big working of miracles! No fake claiming to be Christ has ever... done that! That... is the time of the "end" our Lord Jesus was pointing to with the "great tribulation", not the stir leading up to the tribulation which we are seeing today still.


    So when you 'see' all wars have stopped on earth, you'll definitely know then why. You won't have to read a Hal Lindsey book or seek out a preacher to find out what's going on. You will either believe the appearance of the Antichrist is actually God on earth like the majority of the world will, or you will know that is the pseudo-Christ our Lord Jesus warned us about that's to come first at the "end".

    Rev 13:4-8
    4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
    5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
    6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
    7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
    8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
    KJV

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    Re: What the Great Tribulation Really Will Be

    The GT is ONLY consists of the wrath of God the 7 vials. And will be after the 1290th day and the AOD. So some where within the last 45 days on earth 1290 -1335.

    The 1290th to 1335th days

    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
    23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
    24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    25 Behold, I have told you before.
    26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
    27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

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    Re: What the Great Tribulation Really Will Be

    We DO have a given sequence of end time events; in Revelation.
    It will be the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster that will commence all that must happen before Jesus Returns. Then comes the time gap of the Seventh Seal; which is a half hour in heaven. Heavenly time is not the same a earth time and two witnesses inform us exactly what the difference is. One day in heaven is the same as 1000 years on earth.
    Therefore a half hour, 1/48th of a day in heaven is the same as 1/48th of 1000 years = 20 years.
    This is about right for all that is prophesied to happen before Jesus Returns. Including the Great Tribulation that plainly will happen during the last 3 1/2 years.

    Many prophesies confirm that the Lord's Day of wrath will happen next. It will be the Day that comes unexpectedly, like a thief. The Return will be known, as that will happen exactly 1260 days after the AC desecrates the Temple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavePeace View Post
    There's a lot of confusion about the coming time of "great tribulation" Jesus warned the Church about in Matthew 24 and Mark 13.

    Many have made small fortunes from selling books and movies about it which do not fit Scripture of actually what the tribulation will be about. Hal Lindsey is 89 and still pushing ideas about death and destruction and all out war for the very end of this world during the tribulation. Those things are NOT actually written to happen during the coming tribulation though.

    Matt 24:6
    6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass,
    but the end is not yet.
    KJV

    Lot of preachers quote that verse by our Lord Jesus, except they often forget to quote that very last phrase, "but the end is not yet." They'll go on a tangent about the tribulation being all out wars and rumors of wars, famines, pestilences, and earthquakes, but they won't quote that last phrase our Lord Jesus said there. So what was our Lord actually saying there?

    He showed there, that as long as we hear of wars and rumors of wars going on, then the 'end' is not yet. What "end"? That "end" is the actual time of "great tribulation" He warned us about in a later verse in Matthew 24:21. The hearing of wars and rumors of wars is not... the time of "great tribulation'! (Sorry Hal.)

    So what kind of time will the "great tribulation" be? Like Jesus said, as long as wars and rumors of wars are going on, the 'end' is not... yet. So the 'end' will be what kind... of time, one of wars still? No! it will be a time opposite of wars and rumors of wars! Is that what the Hal Lindsey types are preaching? Nope. They are preaching gloom and doom, all out war, pestilences, famines, etc., for the tribulation time. All that actually happens before... the tribulation at the "end".

    Even in the next Matthew 24:4-8 verses, our Lord showed that time before the end would be about wars, pestilences, famines, and earthquakes. And He called that time "the beginning of sorrows". That isn't the "end" though; the "end" is about the later time of "great tribulation". Do you see the difference?


    Here is how you will know when the time of the "end" begins, i.e., the "great tribulation" like our Lord Jesus warned:

    Matt 24:15-22
    15
    When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    21
    For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
    KJV

    When the event of an abomination idol being setup in a temple in Jerusalem happens, that... is the time for us to really be on watch. That is the time of the "end" our Lord Jesus referred to. That is what starts the time of "great tribulation" upon Christ's servants on earth, His Church. That tribulation will be upon those who refuse to bow to that pseudo-Christ that is come and set that abomination in place in Jerusalem. That is what the "abomination of desolation" is about which our Lord Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel (see Dan.11 about the "vile person" especially.)

    That time of the "end" will be a short time of world peace. It will be the time of the dragon's 42 month reign of Rev.13. The globalists will finally have their "one world government" when that pseudo-Christ shows up to exalt himself as God in Jerusalem (2 Thess.2). Per 1 Thess.5, the wicked and deceived will be proclaiming a time of "Peace and safety". All wars will have stopped. All religions will be under one head, the Antichrist. The mark required to buy and sell will be instituted, and all nations will be required to bow in worship to the beast, or to his image, and take the mark, or be killed.

    That time of "great tribulation" will not be a tribulation upon the wicked and deceived. It will be a tribulation specifically upon Christ's servants. We are who the dragon will be coming after. The rest of the world will be deceived into believing that false-Messiah will be God. That's why our Lord Jesus warned how that false one will work great signs and wonders that if possible, would deceive even His very elect (Matt.24:24).

    That's about 'supernatural' signs and miracles, not some religious politico sitting on a throne and showing the world how great he is, holding his hand out so you can kiss it. This is why it will be time on earth that no one has ever seen the likes of before, nor will it ever be again. It will be because of those miracles and wonders the Antichrist will work that will fool the majority into believing he is God.

    Again, it's that kind of working on earth, that will make that time a time of "great tribulation". It's not wars or rumors of wars, nor pestilences, nor earthquakes, that will make that a tribulation for the 'end'. It will be the appearance of the supernatural right here on earth! (Sorry Hal).

    Rev 13:13-17
    13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
    14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
    15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
    16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
    17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
    KJV


    Making fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men is a pretty big working of miracles! No fake claiming to be Christ has ever... done that! That... is the time of the "end" our Lord Jesus was pointing to with the "great tribulation", not the stir leading up to the tribulation which we are seeing today still.


    So when you 'see' all wars have stopped on earth, you'll definitely know then why. You won't have to read a Hal Lindsey book or seek out a preacher to find out what's going on. You will either believe the appearance of the Antichrist is actually God on earth like the majority of the world will, or you will know that is the pseudo-Christ our Lord Jesus warned us about that's to come first at the "end".

    Rev 13:4-8
    4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
    5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
    6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
    7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
    8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
    KJV
    What temple in Jerusalem are you referring to that we need to keep an eye on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    What temple in Jerusalem are you referring to that we need to keep an eye on?
    The one that today's orthodox Jews in Jerusalem are preparing to build (see Temple Mount Faithful and Land of Israel movement), once the future peace plan goes into effect instituted by the coming final Antichrist of Dan.9:27 and Dan.11:23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    We DO have a given sequence of end time events; in Revelation.
    It will be the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster that will commence all that must happen before Jesus Returns. Then comes the time gap of the Seventh Seal; which is a half hour in heaven. Heavenly time is not the same a earth time and two witnesses inform us exactly what the difference is. One day in heaven is the same as 1000 years on earth.
    Therefore a half hour, 1/48th of a day in heaven is the same as 1/48th of 1000 years = 20 years.
    This is about right for all that is prophesied to happen before Jesus Returns. Including the Great Tribulation that plainly will happen during the last 3 1/2 years.

    Many prophesies confirm that the Lord's Day of wrath will happen next. It will be the Day that comes unexpectedly, like a thief. The Return will be known, as that will happen exactly 1260 days after the AC desecrates the Temple.
    The "day of the Lord" events occur on the final day of this world (2 Peter 3:10-11). Anyone who can read their Bible knows this. But those who follow man's doctrines don't follow The Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    The GT is ONLY consists of the wrath of God the 7 vials. And will be after the 1290th day and the AOD. So some where within the last 45 days on earth 1290 -1335.

    The 1290th to 1335th days

    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
    23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
    24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    25 Behold, I have told you before.
    26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
    27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    The time of "great tribulation" Jesus showed will start with the coming Antichrist in Jerusalem placing an idol in a rebuilt Jewish temple in false worship, just like what Antiochus IV did in 165 B.C. That future temple is not built yet, but it is planned, and many of the materials have been readied by the orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem.

    And Jesus said in Matthew 24 that He comes after... that tribulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavePeace View Post
    The one that today's orthodox Jews in Jerusalem are preparing to build (see Temple Mount Faithful and Land of Israel movement), once the future peace plan goes into effect instituted by the coming final Antichrist of Dan.9:27 and Dan.11:23.
    They better hurry up and get to building it then if this temple is going to be needed in order to fulfill these prophecies. This age isn't going to last forever. It will have to come to an end sooner or later. Likely sooner than later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavePeace View Post
    The "day of the Lord" events occur on the final day of this world (2 Peter 3:10-11). Anyone who can read their Bible knows this. But those who follow man's doctrines don't follow The Bible.
    Why does the DOTL have to involve just a single 24 hour period or less? Day doesn't always mean a single 24 hour period. I tend to think the DOTL involves the unleashing of the last 7 vials of wrath. I can't picture all 7 vials being poured out in a single 24 hour period of time or less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    They better hurry up and get to building it then if this temple is going to be needed in order to fulfill these prophecies. This age isn't going to last forever. It will have to come to an end sooner or later. Likely sooner than later.
    The next sign to be watching for today is an example of that "league" of Dan.11:23 that the final Antichrist will make in Jerusalem with a small group. When that happens, the orthodox Jews, even the seeming political Jews that many think don't really care about building another Jewish temple, will commit, all because of the appearance of setting up of that coming Antichrist at Jerusalem as their king of the world. That will represent the start of Daniel's symbolic "one week" (7 years) of Daniel 9:27.

    Internationalists already many times have tried to create that "league" (peace plan) in Jerusalem and it has failed. Reason is because the right one isn't present yet (i.e., the coming Antichrist or false-Messiah). The Daniel 11 ensample shows the league involves a re-instituting of the old covenant sacrifices and worship. The most religious orthodox Jews in Jerusalem still believe they are under the old covenant, and thus require another temple and bringing back of the daily sacrifice. Just the other day orthodox Jews in Jerusalem setup a mockup altar made with small stones and plan to perform a priestly ceremony simulating a real sacrifice. One group of orthodox Jews for years has been sacrificing on a hill overlooking the temple mount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    Why does the DOTL have to involve just a single 24 hour period or less? Day doesn't always mean a single 24 hour period. I tend to think the DOTL involves the unleashing of the last 7 vials of wrath. I can't picture all 7 vials being poured out in a single 24 hour period of time or less.
    What defines the "day of the Lord" for the end are the events to occur on that day, from both the OT prophets, our Lord Jesus, and His Apostles. All one need do is a little Bible research about those events and their type. Peter said the elements of man's works are burned off the earth on that day (2 Peter 3:10). God through His Old Testament prophets gave examples of it occurring suddenly, even as Apostle Paul did in 1 Thessalonians 5 with saying that "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night" (i.e., like a surprise), and upon those who will be saying, "Peace and safety", it will be like a "sudden destruction".

    So a study of those type events would mean what for the vials of Rev.16? Well, using common sense, could that 2 Pet.3:10 event of God's consuming fire burning man's works off the earth happen on any other Vial than the very last one? Clearly not. And that "sudden destruction" on the "day of the Lord" is the event Paul was teaching about in that 1 Thess.5 chapter regarding the wrath we are not appointed to. It's God's cup of wrath poured out upon the wicked on the last day of this present world. That is the specific wrath Paul was talking about, linked with the day of "sudden destruction" upon the wicked.

    The wrath on those previous 6 Vials are about God's wrath upon the beast during... the time of "great tribulation". That is shown in Rev.11 with what God's two witnesses are given to do, as the plagues God will give them to work will be similar to the plagues upon Egypt through Moses and Aaron. That's why when the nations see their dead bodies laying the street of Jerusalem, the nations will throw a party, because of how those two witnesses tormented them.

    If you'll notice, the final Vial is poured out not upon the earth, but into the 'air'. It represents God's consuming fire with the change on that final day of this world, ushering us into Christ's Millennial Kingdom. Even many brethren in Christ are not prepared for that coming event that will end this present world, simply because of lack of deeper Bible study. Our Heavenly Father and His Son showed us about those kind of things, but many have a hard time thinking about the reality of spiritual things written in God's Word, especially about the world to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavePeace View Post
    The wrath on those previous 6 Vials are about God's wrath upon the beast during... the time of "great tribulation".

    I take the GT to be meaning the 42 month reign of the beast, as shown in Rev 13. If the first 6 vials of wrath have been pouring out on them during this 42 months, I see it making no sense at all that any of them could be saying peace and safety. That doesn't compute if they have been bombarded with vials of wrath during that time. I instead think it makes far better sense that the GT runs it's course first, then the vials of wrath begin to be poured out after that. This seems to agree with the following.

    Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
    10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
    11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

    Obviously...until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled....this is referring to what occurs during the 42 month reign of the beast. These souls seen, they are told to rest a little season, meaning until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. This indicates the avenging doesn't occur during the resting for a little season, but occurs after the resting a little season. The little season they are resting during, that is meaning this 42 month reign of the beast, the GT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavePeace View Post
    The "day of the Lord" events occur on the final day of this world (2 Peter 3:10-11). Anyone who can read their Bible knows this. But those who follow man's doctrines don't follow The Bible.
    Dave, your unsupported opinion is wrong and your comment is rude and unacceptable. People who see the prophesies differently than you, are not in error unless proved to be.
    Your belief simply does not fit the Revelation sequence; where the DoL happens at the Sixth Seal.

    Why, anyway, would the Lord burn the earth at His Return? This idea contradicts the 3 clear descriptions of the Return. Matthew 24:30, Zechariah 14:3 and Revelation 19:11, ALL say Jesus Returns AFTER His wrath is spent. Revelation 15:1 proves it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    Dave, your unsupported opinion is wrong and your comment is rude and unacceptable. People who see the prophesies differently than you, are not in error unless proved to be.
    This is post of the year material right here.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Re: What the Great Tribulation Really Will Be

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    This is post of the year material right here.
    Except proof has no effect. When I was mocked and told that Gamma Ray Bursts in the Universe are science fiction, I provided many links to astrophysicist white papers, NASA and observatories from Hawaii to India that observe at least 1 GRB per day, and all I got in return was more anger and denial.
    Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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