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    The fire is alight, nothing will stop it coming to earth 2 Esdras 16:15 [Bible Apocrypha]
    The following 116 Bible verses describe the literal effects of the Coronal Mass Ejection that the Lord will use to carry out His prophesied Day of vengeance and wrath against His enemies, the godless peoples and nations that attack the State of Israel. It will strike earth at midday, Zephaniah 2:4 and virtually depopulate the entire Middle East. Ezekiel 30:1-5

    1/ LIGHT -The initial light flash arrives from the sun within 8 minutes.
    Isaiah 30:26a The sun will shine with seven times its normal strength, like seven days in one. The flash of a CME explosion on the suns surface of an unprecedented magnitude, directed toward earth, consisting of the entire spectrum of light waves to microwaves.

    Isaiah 30:26a & Rev 6:12b The moon will shine blood red, as brightly as the sun. The initial light flash reflected and then the thermite reaction of superheated hydrogen and the lunar regolith. [moon dust]
    Psalms 50:1-3 God has spoken…from the rising of the sun to its setting…consuming fire rages….
    Habakkuk 3:3-4 His brightness is like the dawn, His radiance covers the sky.
    Psalms 144:6 Send lightning bolts to scatter Your enemies.
    Psalms 18:14 He hurled lightning shafts far and wide.
    Ezekiel 21:10 My deadly sword is sharpened, it will flash like lightning for the slaughter.

    2/ HEAT – Seven times hotter, ambient temperature say, 15c X 7 = could be 120c, 250f
    Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace.
    Psalms 18:8 Smoke and fire come from the Lord, with glowing coals and searing heat.
    Isaiah 64:1-2 When You tear apart the sky, fires blaze and water boils.
    Jeremiah 17:8...when the heat comes, trust in the Lord for protection.
    Jeremiah 6:29 The fiery bellows of judgement burn fiercely to refine My people.
    Isaiah 25:4 You give refuge to the poor and needy, shelter from the tempest and shade from the heat.

    3/ DARKNESS – Caused by the sun being obscured by the approaching ejected mass.
    Isaiah 50:3 I can clothe the sky in darkness, cover it with sackcloth.
    Amos 5:20 The Day of the Lord is indeed a Day of deep darkness.
    Isaiah 13:10 The sun, moon and stars will give no light.
    Ezekiel 32:7-8 I will veil the sky with clouds and bring darkness over the land.
    Zephaniah 1:15 The Day of the Lord’s anger will be a Day of destruction, of darkness and gloom.
    Amos 8:9 On that Day, the sun will darken at noon. [after the initial flash]
    Revelation 6:12...the sun turned black as a funeral pall and the whole moon blood red.
    Psalms 18:11 He made thick darkness His covering, dense vapour His canopy.
    Jeremiah 4:23 The earth was in chaos and the sky was in darkness.

    4/ FIRE – 24 hours after the initial flash the main mass of superheated cosmic particles envelopes the earth.
    Zephaniah 3:8…the whole earth will be affected by the fire of My anger.
    Isaiah 66:15 The Lord is coming in fire like a whirlwind with the flaming fire of His rebuke.
    Luke 3:16 He will baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire, the chaff will burn forever.
    Ezekiel 20:47 I am about to light a fire, its fiery flame cannot be put out.
    1 Corinthians 3:13...for that Day dawns in fire and fire will test every persons worth.
    Psalm 21:9 The anger of the Lord will engulf His enemies in a fiery furnace and consume them.
    Hebrews 10:27 For the godless, there is only the terrifying expectation of a fierce fire that will consume God’s enemies.
    2 Peter 3:10 On that Day the earth will be enveloped in flames and all that is in it will be brought to judgement.
    2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 ..when the Lord Jesus comes forth with His mighty host in blazing fire, he will punish all the godless and apostate people.
    Psalms 97:2-5 Cloud enfolds Him, fire goes ahead and consumes His enemies.
    Isaiah 4:4b The Lord will cleanse Jerusalem, with His judgement burning like fire.
    Isaiah 33:12 The nations will be burned to ashes, like thorn bushes set on fire.
    Ezekiel 30:16 I shall set Egypt on fire. Amos 1:1-15 Syria, Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan burned.

    5/ EARTHQUAKES – The electromagnetic microwave effect will cause volcanoes & earthquakes.
    Haggai 2:6 In a little while, I shall shake the sky, the earth and break the power of the godless.
    Psalms 144:5 Lord, part the sky and come down, touch the mountains, so they pour forth smoke.
    Isaiah 24:18-19 ..the windows of the sky above are opened, the earths foundations shake, it is convulsed and reels wildly.
    Amos 8:8-9 On that day the earth will quake like ocean waves.
    Revelation 6:12-14 There was a violent earthquake...every mountain and island was moved.
    Psalms 18:7 The earth shook and quaked, the mountains trembled because of His anger.
    Jeremiah 4:24 The mountains were reeling and the hills rocked to and fro.
    Habakkuk 3:6 The Lord shakes the earth, the mountains are flattened.

    6/ EARTH MOVED–The earth’s orbit may be speeded up by this event, resulting in a 360 day year, that will make reality out the time periods given to us in Revelation and Daniel.
    Isaiah 13:13...and the earth will be moved out of her place.

    7/ COSMC PARTICLES – This CME will hit with a great pressure wave. Previous CME’s have pushed satellites into lower orbits, this one will make them crash back to earth. This cannot refer to real stars, as the nearest one is 4¼ light years away and they are of enormous size.
    Isaiah 28:2 The Lord will beat down violently upon the earth, as a destroying tempest.
    Revelation 6:13 The starry host will fall to the earth, like fruit blown of a tree in a gale.
    Isaiah 34:4 The host of the heavens will fall like ripe fruit.
    Jeremiah 6:25 Do not go outside, for the sword of the Lord spreads terror all around.

    8/ ELECTRICAL EFFECTS – The supercharged particles will cause extreme voltage flow in all the electric power supply systems, telephone wires as well as fences and pipelines, etc. Transformers and switchgear will be destroyed. Any appliances connected to the grid, even if switched off, will burn out. Most telephone and radio communications will be out of action for a long time. Modern vehicles, aircraft and ships will be inoperable.

    9/ SKY EFFECTS – The earth magnetosphere and atmosphere are badly affected. This may cause a pole shift and huge storms will encircle the globe.
    Isaiah 13:13 I shall make the heavens shudder...on the day of the Lord’s blazing anger.
    Isaiah 51:6 The sky will be dispersed like smoke.
    2 Peter 3:10 ...the heavens will disappear with a great rushing sound.
    Revelation 6:14 The sky vanished like a scroll being rolled up.
    Isaiah 34:4 The sky will crumble into nothing and will be rolled up like a scroll.
    Psalms 83:15 Pursue Your enemies with Your tempest, terrify them with Your storm winds.
    Jeremiah 30:23See what a scorching wind goes out, it rages down upon the heads of the wicked.
    Jeremiah 4:11 & 20 A scorching wind will sweep down upon My people, the whole Land is ruined.

    10/ A GREAT NOISE – The CME strike will be heard all around the earth.
    Jeremiah 25:30-31 The Lord roars from on high, the great noise reaches the ends of the earth, for He judges the nations and has handed over the wicked for destruction.
    Isaiah 29:6 Judgement will come from the Lord with thunder, earthquakes, loud noise and consuming flames of fire.
    Jeremiah 51:54-55 The Lord is ready to destroy the godless nations, the advancing wave booms and roars as it despoils them.

    11/ DEATHS WORLDWIDE – Many millions will die, but for those who stay in shelter, it will be survivable, it is only a one day event. More will die from fighting and famine afterward.
    Deuteronomy 32:41 When I set My hand to judgement, My sword will devour flesh.
    Isaiah 28:21-22 The Lord will arise and storm with rage, destruction is decreed upon the earth.
    Isaiah 66:16 He will judge with fire, many will be slain by Him.
    Isaiah 34:5 For My sword is prepared, it descends in judgement on those doomed for death.
    Isaiah 51:6 The sky will be dispersed like smoke and the people will die like flies.
    Jeremiah 25:33 Those that the Lord kills on that Day will lie scattered from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be mourned or buried, they will be as dung on the ground.
    Isaiah 63:1-6 The Lord comes from the nations, His garments splashed with blood, His Day of vengeance had come and He tramped on them and spilled out their blood.
    Psalm 37:20 Evil people will die, they will be incinerated and go up in smoke.
    Isaiah 13:12 Humans will become scarce, more rare that fine gold.
    Ezekiel 30:4-5 Egypt will suffer anguish...her slain will fall along with all the Arab lands.
    Zephaniah 1:3 & 11 I shall destroy humans and animals, I shall bring the godless to their knees. Dire distress will come to sinful peoples, their blood and guts will spill on the ground.
    Jeremiah 9:22 Corpses will lie like dung in the fields, with no one to gather them.
    Ezekiel 21:3 My sword of judgement will kill both the righteous and wicked alike, from the Negev, Northward.
    Jeremiah 11:16 Once you were My people, now with a great noise, you will be burned & consumed.
    Isaiah 5:25 His anger is roused against His people and as He strikes them down the mountains shake. Their bodies lie like refuse in the streets.
    Ezekiel 32:6 I shall drench the land with blood, the villages will be filled with it.

    12/ THE LAND BURNED – The fireball will make forests and wooden houses catch fire, even concrete buildings mostly have tarred roofs, which will burn, as will tar sealed roads.
    2 Peter 3:12 Look forward to the coming Day of the Lord and work to hasten it on, that Day will set the sky ablaze and will melt the elements in fervent heat.
    Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched and the people are fuel for the fire.
    Jeremiah 4:26 The fertile land becomes a wilderness before the fierce anger of the Lord.
    Isaiah 42:15 I shall lay waste to all the land and dry up the rivers and lakes.
    Ezekiel 15:8 I will make the land a waste because they have broken faith.
    Joel 1:11 & 19-20 Despair you farmers for your harvest is lost, the ground is dry and scorched. To You, Lord I cry out for fire has consumed the pastures and trees of the land.
    Jeremiah 9:10-12 ......the land is scorched and untrodden, not even birds or beasts remain. Jerusalem and the towns of Judah are ruined and uninhabited. The Land is a dead place, burned and laid waste.
    Isaiah 10:18-19 Suddenly, His trees and meadows will be destroyed, what remains will be so few that a child may count them.

    13/ CITIES DESERTED – The fires and destruction will drive people out and there will be no power, water or communications, plus no food deliveries, survival must be out in the country.
    Isaiah 17:9 On the Day of Retribution, cities will be deserted.
    Isaiah 6:11-12 How long, Lord? Until the Land is desolate and cities are deserted, houses vacant.
    Jeremiah 4:7 The Destroyer comes, cities will lay waste and empty.
    Hosea 8:14 You have forgotten your Maker, I shall send fire to burn your cities.
    Micah 5:10-11 On that Day, I will devastate your cities.
    Jeremiah 9:21-22 Death has come to our towns, corpses lie like dung in the streets.
    Jeremiah 4:26 Your Holy cities are ruined, Jerusalem is burned by fire, all that we treasured has been destroyed.
    Isaiah 27:10 The fortified city is left solitary, stripped bare and forsaken like a wilderness.

    14/ THE MILITARY DESTROYED – The powerful electromagnetic pulse will disable ships, tanks and aircraft. It will also cause explosive devices to either explode or be neutralized.
    Jer. 50:22-23 The noise of battle is heard, see how the hammer of the whole world is broken.
    Hosea 2:18 ...I shall break the bow and all weapons of war and sweep them off the earth.
    Micah 5:5-11 On that Day, I will destroy your military fortifications.
    Zephaniah 1:16 A Day of battle cries against the fortified cities and towns.
    Isaiah 30:25b On the Day of massacre, when fortresses fall.
    Amos 5:9 Destruction will flash forth onto the mighty, against their strongholds.
    Jeremiah 50:27 Put all warriors to the sword, lead them to slaughter, for their time has come.

    15/ AN UNEXPECTED EVENT – This sudden and shocking event, is not the Return of Jesus, as when the Anti Christ desecrates the new Temple, Jesus will come exactly 1260 days after that.
    2 Peter 3:10 The great and terrible Day of the Lord will come like a thief, unexpectedly.
    Isaiah 29:5-6 Suddenly, in an instant, your enemies will be punished with earthquakes, storms and flames of devouring fire.
    Isaiah 10:17-19 In 1 Day, the Lord will burn up His enemies, sudden as someone falling into a fit.
    Jeremiah 6:26...for in an instant the Despoiler will be upon us.

    16/ A ONE DAY EVENT – A CME strikes the earth at a speed of 3 to 5 million miles per hour. It causes terrible effects, but then continues on past, leaving us to recover.
    Zephaniah 3:8 Wait for the Day when I accuse the nations and pour out My burning anger upon the whole world.
    Ezekiel 30:2-3 Alas for the Day, a day is near, the Day of the Lord is near, a Day of reckoning for the nations.
    Isaiah 13:9 The Day of the Lord is coming, a cruel Day of wrath and fierce anger.
    Joel 1:15 The Day is near, it comes, a mighty destruction from the Lord.
    Isaiah 2:20-21 On the Day the Lord will arise and strike the world with terror.
    Zechariah 3:9 In a single Day, I will wipe away the guilt of this Land.
    Isaiah 63:4-6 I resolved on a Day of vengeance, I shattered nations in My fury. [it.
    Joel 2:11 The Lord thunders as He leads the host, great and terrible is the Day, who can endure
    Zephaniah 2:4-5 Land of the Philistines, at midday, I shall crush you and lay you in ruins, bereft of inhabitants.
    Joel 2:30-31 On that great and terrible Day of the Lord, the sky and the earth will show blood, fire and smoke.

    17/ HIS PEOPLE – Joel 2:32 Then all who call on the Lord’s Name will be saved.
    Isaiah 30:26 The sun will shine 7 times stronger, on the Day the Lord saves and heals His people
    Habakkuk 3:12-13 Furiously You traverse the earth, in anger You trample down the nations. You go forth to save Your people.
    Joel 3:16 The Lord roars from Zion, the heavens and the earth shudder but He is a refuge for His people and a defence for Israel.
    Psalm 68:1-3 God springs into action! His enemies scatter like smoke, as wax melts before a fire, so the godless are destroyed before Him. The righteous are happy and praise God.
    Isaiah 43:2 When you pass through rivers, they will not overwhelm you. Walk through fire and flames and not be burned or scorched. I am the Lord, your God and your Deliverer.
    1 Peter 1:5 Because you put your faith in God, you are under the protection of His power until the salvation now in readiness is revealed at the end of time.
    Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged.

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    Sorry, you can put 10,000 verses around your theory, but science and physics doesn’t support any level of CME causing anything as you describe. Every single astrophysicist will tell you that.

    You’d have better luck speculating with Planet X or a GRB which actually is a focused beam of high enough energy to fry stuff.

    Or maybe it’s just God doing His thing from Heaven.

    Either way, God requires you to love your enemies, not salivate over their destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    Sorry, you can put 10,000 verses around your theory, but science and physics doesn’t support any level of CME causing anything as you describe. Every single astrophysicist will tell you that.

    You’d have better luck speculating with Planet X or a GRB which actually is a focused beam of high enough energy to fry stuff.

    Or maybe it’s just God doing His thing from Heaven.

    Either way, God requires you to love your enemies, not salivate over their destruction.
    Planet X and GRB are sci-fi rubbish.
    Why don't you provide even one verse in support of your speculations?

    What will happen IS God doing His thing; He sends fire to destroy His enemies as Amos I and Zephaniah 3:8, + say. The prophets plainly say where that fire comes from. Isaiah 30:26, Psalms 50:1-3
    You obviously haven't made any proper attempt to research what a big CME hit will do to us.

    I post what the Prophets wrote, they describe plenty of death and destruction. People here can see how you denigrate me for this, making yourself to be the fool who shoots the messenger.

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    I'm always wary when science and scripture are forced to become bedfellows! Not that it's impossible for them to agree; the only problem is that scientists have little or no use for scripture and consequently, treat it with irreverence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trivalee View Post
    I'm always wary when science and scripture are forced to become bedfellows! Not that it's impossible for them to agree; the only problem is that scientists have little or no use for scripture and consequently, treat it with irreverence.
    When did I 'force' science into scripture? This sort of accusation is a typical red herring, designed to lead discussion away from the truths presented.
    In this case, where we are told how God will use His creation; the sun, to Judge and punish the godless peoples, then we can see how science confirms the prophesies.
    I suppose that people are blissfully unaware of the fact that Governments and the military, in most countries of the world have at least contingency plans for a massive EMP and then 24 hours later; the CME strike from the sun. Some. like the USA, have huge underground complexes ready for it. Israel, too has u/g bunkers for most of their population. Isaiah 29:4 tells us about them.

    So what amazes me, is those who do read the Prophetic Word don't know what God plans to do. In fact - actively reject it! Why is this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    When did I 'force' science into scripture? This sort of accusation is a typical red herring, designed to lead discussion away from the truths presented.
    In this case, where we are told how God will use His creation; the sun, to Judge and punish the godless peoples, then we can see how science confirms the prophesies.
    I suppose that people are blissfully unaware of the fact that Governments and the military, in most countries of the world have at least contingency plans for a massive EMP and then 24 hours later; the CME strike from the sun. Some. like the USA, have huge underground complexes ready for it. Israel, too has u/g bunkers for most of their population. Isaiah 29:4 tells us about them.

    So what amazes me, is those who do read the Prophetic Word don't know what God plans to do. In fact - actively reject it! Why is this?
    Well, I can only answer for myself...I don't reject the prophetic Word, not at all, but instead the [ dispensational ] interpretation/view of it.

    We are polar opposite on some things so we both cannot be correct.

    I would concur with Keck [ and add ] that dispensationalists force current events into scripture in unnatural and erroneous ways. The "newness" of dispensational theology on the scene is a very large red flag for me among many other issues.
    “A” cannot be “A” & not “A” at the same time



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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    Planet X and GRB are sci-fi rubbish.
    Planet X is rubbish, but GRB’s are OBSERVED DAILY by astronomers:

    http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/...ay+burst+types

    https://www.eso.org/public/science/grb/

    https://arxiv.org/abs/1606.06791

    https://swift.gsfc.nasa.gov/archive/grb_table

    Would you like 50 more links to astrophysics websites that prove you don’t have a clue about science?




    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    Why don't you provide even one verse in support of your speculations?
    I’m not speculating about anything. The odds of a Gamma Ray Burst hitting earth from a distance that would cause us harm is almost non existent. But at least GRB’s can actually do the damage you ignorantly claim CME’s can do. I’m simply pointing out that your theory asserting CME’s will cause the destruction you lust for is a ridiculous as Planet X.


    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    What will happen IS God doing His thing; He sends fire to destroy His enemies as Amos I and Zephaniah 3:8, + say. The prophets plainly say where that fire comes from. Isaiah 30:26, Psalms 50:1-3
    You might want to take heed then. God’s enemies are people who hate and lust for the destruction of others
    Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesky22 View Post
    Well, I can only answer for myself...I don't reject the prophetic Word, not at all, but instead the [ dispensational ] interpretation/view of it.

    We are polar opposite on some things so we both cannot be correct.

    I would concur with Keck [ and add ] that dispensationalists force current events into scripture in unnatural and erroneous ways. The "newness" of dispensational theology on the scene is a very large red flag for me among many other issues.
    How do you make me out to be a Dispensationalist? Labelling someone like that, is a very unreasonable and unfair thing to do.

    If anything, I am a futurist who believes the Bible prophesies will come to pass as Written. Don't you?

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    The Scriptures provide the framework by which the end-times will unfold and describes a world where there must be a convergence of religion, economics, and leadership. A One World Government and a Global religion. But for these to be established, there has to be a dramatic change to our current situation.

    The Bible tells us about the characteristics of the last generation and we are the first generation in human history to meets all of the conditions described in the Scriptures. There is scarcely a day that passes in which we don't hear of events around the world which continue to lay the foundation for the final days as described in His Word; leading up to the geographic and cosmic events yet to happen, as comprehensively described in the Bible, that will devastate the earth and result in the deaths of millions or billions of people.

    We may not know the day nor the hour of such events, but we can clearly see the season approaching. Based on the wording of all the prophesies, many theologians and astrophysicists claim that what is being described will be literally fulfilled by a coronal mass ejection (CME) from the Sun, hitting the Earth!
    The surface of the sun consists of dense, super-heated Hydrogen Plasma. Think of the sun as a ball of liquid FIRE - burning at around 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit, and not as having a surface that is on fire - but is literally fire through and through.
    CMEs are constantly being emitted from the sun, but should a large one on an unprecedented scale directly strike the Earth; this dense superheated plasma would push away part of the Earth's atmosphere. As the CME continues into the stratosphere, it would then vaporize all planes, birds and flying insects on the side facing the sun, striking the earth with devastating consequences.
    Some may believe this is nothing more than theory or speculation of what events could occur within the end times, but the reality is that various governments from around the world have realized this approaching Biblical event is entirely real, and they’re already preparing for it.

    What Governments Don't Want You To Know:
    Since God usually utilizes His own creations to carry out judgement as we see this time and time again throughout the Old Testament, then we know if this CME scenario is true, we may already be seeing the preparation for this event unfolding today.
    First, something has changed within the last 10 years regarding how governments are planning for continuity of operation; they're now thinking global. Recently, governments all over the world have built over 1,000 doomsday seed vaults to ensure the survival of the human race. The largest that we know of is the Norwegian vault on the island of Spitsbergen in the Arctic Circle. In addition, governments have begun building massive underground bunkers and small underground cities carved within the bedrock of mountains for their leadership.

    But the most frightening signs are the ones hiding in plain sight...
    Earth's magnetic field, which normally protects us from high energy particle emissions from the sun, is collapsing! With a reduced magnetic field, solar radiation and CMEs will now have a greater impact on the Earth than ever before. In fact, the European Space Agency recently launched a satellite array that monitors solar activity and the impact it has upon the Earth. During the first 6 months of operation, it was revealed that the Earth's magnetic field was not only indeed collapsing, but that it was happening 10x faster than researchers first realized. In addition, recent discoveries by astrophysicists in Japan have revealed that our sun is in fact capable of producing what is now being called a "super flare" which is 20x - 1,000x more powerful than any flare witnessed on our modern age. They're referring to a CME that would be substantially larger than the one which occurred in the Carrington event of 1859. The "super flare" being described by researchers would be so powerful, with Earth having a weakened magnetic field, it could truly penetrate the stratosphere; causing the events described by all the prophets to come to pass.

    The Lord Has Already Warned Us that This Is Coming...
    We are told to look for the signs for the end of our age, and it appears that the Lord has already warned us that the event described in our Bibles is indeed coming soon. During July, 2012, a massive CME ejected from the sun and crossed Earth's orbital path; missing us by only seven days! This particular CME was unprecedented in size (X-class), and if the flare would have erupted just one week earlier it would have hit Earth square on. This CME blast was so massive that NASA referred to it as "The Solar Superstorm of 2012" and believe it would have knocked our civilization back to the 18th century - leading to panic, war, starvation and disease. This near miss was so shocking to various unaware agencies, they kept the event SECRET from the public for one and a half years before finally revealing it to media at a recent space summit.
    Read more at http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/spo...uMB5ZbwS6UL.99

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    Oh, of course now we have a super secret conspiricy?

    All science disagrees with you about CME’s having that level of destruction. At most a few days of power and communications disruption. There is no way a CME can ‘rip out half the atmosphere, that is pure fantasy. Per the numerous links to real scientists I have already provided.

    This is a fatal flaw in your theory you need to reconcile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    How do you make me out to be a Dispensationalist? Labelling someone like that, is a very unreasonable and unfair thing to do.
    Hi Keraz, allow me to explain; I apologise if my words came off as you describe. Let me reflect for the evening on this, + it’s movie night with my dear wife

    If anything, I am a futurist who believes the Bible prophesies will come to pass as Written. Don't you?
    Yes, your a futurist. ( which dispensationalists are ) You see many prophesies as yet to come, where as I see most as already past, ( preterist ) culminating with 70AD and Gods destruction of the types and shadows of the old, and the birth and full filament of the new, in Jesus. The only future prophecy’s I see yet to come, is the end of the world.

    Christ will come, roll-up the whole thing, in all His Glory, raise up those dead and then us who are alive in Him. The rest, a “firery” end in both dimensions. Then a new creation, glorified bodies and eternity for some, others sadly no. The only “rapture” I see is for the believers who are around at the very end.

    Everything that was written to come has or will. We are in agreement.

    We roughly differ on when these are. See?

    I am not going to be dogmatic on this either, it’s just where my studies have led me so far.

    Amazing how so many of us have conflicting views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesky22 View Post
    Hi Keraz, allow me to explain; I apologise if my words came off as you describe. Let me reflect for the evening on this, + it’s movie night with my dear wife



    Yes your a futurist, ( which dispensationalists are ) you see many prophesies as yet to come, where as I see most as most already past, ( preterist ) culminating with 70AD and Gods destruction of the types and shadows of the old, and the birth and full filament of the new, in Jesus. The only future prophecy’s I see yet to come, is the end of the world.

    Christ will come, roll-up the whole thing, in all His Glory, raise up those dead and then us who are alive in Him. The rest, a “firery” end in both dimensions. Then a new creation, glorified bodies and eternity for some, others sadly no. The only “rapture” I see is for the believers who are around at the very end.

    Everything that was written to come has or will. We are in agreement.

    We roughly differ on when these are. See?

    I am not going to be dogmatic on this either, it’s just where my studies have led me so far.

    Amazing how so many of us have conflicting views.
    This is exactly how I see too

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    science disagrees with you about CME’s having that level of destruction. At most a few days of power and communications disruption. There is no way a CME can ‘rip out half the atmosphere, that is pure fantasy. Per the numerous links to real scientists I have already provided.

    This is a fatal flaw in your theory you need to reconcile.

    I would agree. I have read, for what it’s worth, that a CME will cook certain grid substructure ( can’t remember the name ) that can take a year to replace. But cook like fire most of the planet? No, I don’t see this in the science. Nor do I see it spelled out in Scripture.
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    The fire is alight, nothing will stop it coming to earth2 Esdras 16:15 [Bible Apocrypha]
    What’s your opinion of the apocryphal? Just noticed you had this here.

    The following 116 Bible verses describe the literal effects of the Coronal Mass Ejection that the Lord will use to carry out His prophesied Day of vengeance and wrath against His enemies, the godless peoples and nations that attack the State of Israel. It will strike earth at midday, Zephaniah 2:4 and virtually depopulate the entire Middle East. Ezekiel 30:1-5

    1/ LIGHT -The initial light flash arrives from the sun within 8 minutes.
    Isaiah 30:26a The sun will shine with seven times its normal strength, like seven days in one. The flash of a CME explosion on the suns surface of an unprecedented magnitude, directed toward earth, consisting of the entire spectrum of light waves to microwaves.

    Isaiah 30:26a & Rev 6:12b The moon will shine blood red, as brightly as the sun. The initial light flash reflected and then the thermite reaction of superheated hydrogen and the lunar regolith. [moon dust]
    Psalms 50:1-3 God has spoken…from the rising of the sun to its setting…consuming fire rages….
    Habakkuk 3:3-4 His brightness is like the dawn, His radiance covers the sky.
    Psalms 144:6 Send lightning bolts to scatter Your enemies.
    Psalms 18:14 He hurled lightning shafts far and wide.
    Ezekiel 21:10 My deadly sword is sharpened, it will flash like lightning for the slaughter.

    2/ HEAT – Seven times hotter, ambient temperature say, 15c X 7 = could be 120c, 250f
    Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace.
    Psalms 18:8 Smoke and fire come from the Lord, with glowing coals and searing heat.
    Isaiah 64:1-2 When You tear apart the sky, fires blaze and water boils.
    Jeremiah 17:8...when the heat comes, trust in the Lord for protection.
    Jeremiah 6:29 The fiery bellows of judgement burn fiercely to refine My people.
    Isaiah 25:4 You give refuge to the poor and needy, shelter from the tempest and shade from the heat.

    3/ DARKNESS – Caused by the sun being obscured by the approaching ejected mass.
    Isaiah 50:3 I can clothe the sky in darkness, cover it with sackcloth.
    Amos 5:20 The Day of the Lord is indeed a Day of deep darkness.
    Isaiah 13:10 The sun, moon and stars will give no light.
    Ezekiel 32:7-8 I will veil the sky with clouds and bring darkness over the land.
    Zephaniah 1:15 The Day of the Lord’s anger will be a Day of destruction, of darkness and gloom.
    Amos 8:9 On that Day, the sun will darken at noon. [after the initial flash]
    Revelation 6:12...the sun turned black as a funeral pall and the whole moon blood red.
    Psalms 18:11 He made thick darkness His covering, dense vapour His canopy.
    Jeremiah 4:23 The earth was in chaos and the sky was in darkness.

    4/ FIRE – 24 hours after the initial flash the main mass of superheated cosmic particles envelopes the earth.
    Zephaniah 3:8…the whole earth will be affected by the fire of My anger.
    Isaiah 66:15 The Lord is coming in fire like a whirlwind with the flaming fire of His rebuke.
    Luke 3:16 He will baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire, the chaff will burn forever.
    Ezekiel 20:47 I am about to light a fire, its fiery flame cannot be put out.
    1 Corinthians 3:13...for that Day dawns in fire and fire will test every persons worth.
    Psalm 21:9 The anger of the Lord will engulf His enemies in a fiery furnace and consume them.
    Hebrews 10:27 For the godless, there is only the terrifying expectation of a fierce fire that will consume God’s enemies.
    2 Peter 3:10 On that Day the earth will be enveloped in flames and all that is in it will be brought to judgement.
    2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 ..when the Lord Jesus comes forth with His mighty host in blazing fire, he will punish all the godless and apostate people.
    Psalms 97:2-5 Cloud enfolds Him, fire goes ahead and consumes His enemies.
    Isaiah 4:4b The Lord will cleanse Jerusalem, with His judgement burning like fire.
    Isaiah 33:12 The nations will be burned to ashes, like thorn bushes set on fire.
    Ezekiel 30:16 I shall set Egypt on fire. Amos 1:1-15 Syria, Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan burned.

    5/ EARTHQUAKES – The electromagnetic microwave effect will cause volcanoes & earthquakes.
    Haggai 2:6 In a little while, I shall shake the sky, the earth and break the power of the godless.
    Psalms 144:5 Lord, part the sky and come down, touch the mountains, so they pour forth smoke.
    Isaiah 24:18-19 ..the windows of the sky above are opened, the earths foundations shake, it is convulsed and reels wildly.
    Amos 8:8-9 On that day the earth will quake like ocean waves.
    Revelation 6:12-14 There was a violent earthquake...every mountain and island was moved.
    Psalms 18:7 The earth shook and quaked, the mountains trembled because of His anger.
    Jeremiah 4:24 The mountains were reeling and the hills rocked to and fro.
    Habakkuk 3:6 The Lord shakes the earth, the mountains are flattened.

    6/ EARTH MOVED–The earth’s orbit may be speeded up by this event, resulting in a 360 day year, that will make reality out the time periods given to us in Revelation and Daniel.
    Isaiah 13:13...and the earth will be moved out of her place.

    7/ COSMC PARTICLES – This CME will hit with a great pressure wave. Previous CME’s have pushed satellites into lower orbits, this one will make them crash back to earth. This cannot refer to real stars, as the nearest one is 4¼ light years away and they are of enormous size.
    Isaiah 28:2 The Lord will beat down violently upon the earth, as a destroying tempest.
    Revelation 6:13 The starry host will fall to the earth, like fruit blown of a tree in a gale.
    Isaiah 34:4 The host of the heavens will fall like ripe fruit.
    Jeremiah 6:25 Do not go outside, for the sword of the Lord spreads terror all around.

    8/ ELECTRICAL EFFECTS – The supercharged particles will cause extreme voltage flow in all the electric power supply systems, telephone wires as well as fences and pipelines, etc. Transformers and switchgear will be destroyed. Any appliances connected to the grid, even if switched off, will burn out. Most telephone and radio communications will be out of action for a long time. Modern vehicles, aircraft and ships will be inoperable.

    9/ SKY EFFECTS – The earth magnetosphere and atmosphere are badly affected. This may cause a pole shift and huge storms will encircle the globe.
    Isaiah 13:13 I shall make the heavens shudder...on the day of the Lord’s blazing anger.
    Isaiah 51:6 The sky will be dispersed like smoke.
    2 Peter 3:10 ...the heavens will disappear with a great rushing sound.
    Revelation 6:14 The sky vanished like a scroll being rolled up.
    Isaiah 34:4 The sky will crumble into nothing and will be rolled up like a scroll.
    Psalms 83:15 Pursue Your enemies with Your tempest, terrify them with Your storm winds.
    Jeremiah 30:23See what a scorching wind goes out, it rages down upon the heads of the wicked.
    Jeremiah 4:11 & 20 A scorching wind will sweep down upon My people, the whole Land is ruined.

    10/ A GREAT NOISE – The CME strike will be heard all around the earth.
    Jeremiah 25:30-31 The Lord roars from on high, the great noise reaches the ends of the earth, for He judges the nations and has handed over the wicked for destruction.
    Isaiah 29:6 Judgement will come from the Lord with thunder, earthquakes, loud noise and consuming flames of fire.
    Jeremiah 51:54-55 The Lord is ready to destroy the godless nations, the advancing wave booms and roars as it despoils them.

    11/ DEATHS WORLDWIDE – Many millions will die, but for those who stay in shelter, it will be survivable, it is only a one day event. More will die from fighting and famine afterward.
    Deuteronomy 32:41 When I set My hand to judgement, My sword will devour flesh.
    Isaiah 28:21-22 The Lord will arise and storm with rage, destruction is decreed upon the earth.
    Isaiah 66:16 He will judge with fire, many will be slain by Him.
    Isaiah 34:5 For My sword is prepared, it descends in judgement on those doomed for death.
    Isaiah 51:6 The sky will be dispersed like smoke and the people will die like flies.
    Jeremiah 25:33 Those that the Lord kills on that Day will lie scattered from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be mourned or buried, they will be as dung on the ground.
    Isaiah 63:1-6 The Lord comes from the nations, His garments splashed with blood, His Day of vengeance had come and He tramped on them and spilled out their blood.
    Psalm 37:20 Evil people will die, they will be incinerated and go up in smoke.
    Isaiah 13:12 Humans will become scarce, more rare that fine gold.
    Ezekiel 30:4-5 Egypt will suffer anguish...her slain will fall along with all the Arab lands.
    Zephaniah 1:3 & 11 I shall destroy humans and animals, I shall bring the godless to their knees. Dire distress will come to sinful peoples, their blood and guts will spill on the ground.
    Jeremiah 9:22 Corpses will lie like dung in the fields, with no one to gather them.
    Ezekiel 21:3 My sword of judgement will kill both the righteous and wicked alike, from the Negev, Northward.
    Jeremiah 11:16 Once you were My people, now with a great noise, you will be burned & consumed.
    Isaiah 5:25 His anger is roused against His people and as He strikes them down the mountains shake. Their bodies lie like refuse in the streets.
    Ezekiel 32:6 I shall drench the land with blood, the villages will be filled with it.

    12/ THE LAND BURNED – The fireball will make forests and wooden houses catch fire, even concrete buildings mostly have tarred roofs, which will burn, as will tar sealed roads.
    2 Peter 3:12 Look forward to the coming Day of the Lord and work to hasten it on, that Day will set the sky ablaze and will melt the elements in fervent heat.
    Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched and the people are fuel for the fire.
    Jeremiah 4:26 The fertile land becomes a wilderness before the fierce anger of the Lord.
    Isaiah 42:15 I shall lay waste to all the land and dry up the rivers and lakes.
    Ezekiel 15:8 I will make the land a waste because they have broken faith.
    Joel 1:11 & 19-20 Despair you farmers for your harvest is lost, the ground is dry and scorched. To You, Lord I cry out for fire has consumed the pastures and trees of the land.
    Jeremiah 9:10-12 ......the land is scorched and untrodden, not even birds or beasts remain. Jerusalem and the towns of Judah are ruined and uninhabited. The Land is a dead place, burned and laid waste.
    Isaiah 10:18-19 Suddenly, His trees and meadows will be destroyed, what remains will be so few that a child may count them.

    13/ CITIES DESERTED – The fires and destruction will drive people out and there will be no power, water or communications, plus no food deliveries, survival must be out in the country.
    Isaiah 17:9 On the Day of Retribution, cities will be deserted.
    Isaiah 6:11-12 How long, Lord? Until the Land is desolate and cities are deserted, houses vacant.
    Jeremiah 4:7 The Destroyer comes, cities will lay waste and empty.
    Hosea 8:14 You have forgotten your Maker, I shall send fire to burn your cities.
    Micah 5:10-11 On that Day, I will devastate your cities.
    Jeremiah 9:21-22 Death has come to our towns, corpses lie like dung in the streets.
    Jeremiah 4:26 Your Holy cities are ruined, Jerusalem is burned by fire, all that we treasured has been destroyed.
    Isaiah 27:10 The fortified city is left solitary, stripped bare and forsaken like a wilderness.

    14/ THE MILITARY DESTROYED – The powerful electromagnetic pulse will disable ships, tanks and aircraft. It will also cause explosive devices to either explode or be neutralized.
    Jer. 50:22-23 The noise of battle is heard, see how the hammer of the whole world is broken.
    Hosea 2:18 ...I shall break the bow and all weapons of war and sweep them off the earth.
    Micah 5:5-11 On that Day, I will destroy your military fortifications.
    Zephaniah 1:16 A Day of battle cries against the fortified cities and towns.
    Isaiah 30:25b On the Day of massacre, when fortresses fall.
    Amos 5:9 Destruction will flash forth onto the mighty, against their strongholds.
    Jeremiah 50:27 Put all warriors to the sword, lead them to slaughter, for their time has come.

    15/ AN UNEXPECTED EVENT – This sudden and shocking event, is not the Return of Jesus, as when the Anti Christ desecrates the new Temple, Jesus will come exactly 1260 days after that.
    2 Peter 3:10 The great and terrible Day of the Lord will come like a thief, unexpectedly.
    Isaiah 29:5-6 Suddenly, in an instant, your enemies will be punished with earthquakes, storms and flames of devouring fire.
    Isaiah 10:17-19 In 1 Day, the Lord will burn up His enemies, sudden as someone falling into a fit.
    Jeremiah 6:26...for in an instant the Despoiler will be upon us.

    16/ A ONE DAY EVENT – A CME strikes the earth at a speed of 3 to 5 million miles per hour. It causes terrible effects, but then continues on past, leaving us to recover.
    Zephaniah 3:8 Wait for the Day when I accuse the nations and pour out My burning anger upon the whole world.
    Ezekiel 30:2-3 Alas for the Day, a day is near, the Day of the Lord is near, a Day of reckoning for the nations.
    Isaiah 13:9 The Day of the Lord is coming, a cruel Day of wrath and fierce anger.
    Joel 1:15 The Day is near, it comes, a mighty destruction from the Lord.
    Isaiah 2:20-21 On the Day the Lord will arise and strike the world with terror.
    Zechariah 3:9 In a single Day, I will wipe away the guilt of this Land.
    Isaiah 63:4-6 I resolved on a Day of vengeance, I shattered nations in My fury. [it.
    Joel 2:11 The Lord thunders as He leads the host, great and terrible is the Day, who can endure
    Zephaniah 2:4-5 Land of the Philistines, at midday, I shall crush you and lay you in ruins, bereft of inhabitants.
    Joel 2:30-31 On that great and terrible Day of the Lord, the sky and the earth will show blood, fire and smoke.

    17/ HIS PEOPLE – Joel 2:32 Then all who call on the Lord’s Name will be saved.
    Isaiah 30:26 The sun will shine 7 times stronger, on the Day the Lord saves and heals His people
    Habakkuk 3:12-13 Furiously You traverse the earth, in anger You trample down the nations. You go forth to save Your people.
    Joel 3:16 The Lord roars from Zion, the heavens and the earth shudder but He is a refuge for His people and a defence for Israel.
    Psalm 68:1-3 God springs into action! His enemies scatter like smoke, as wax melts before a fire, so the godless are destroyed before Him. The righteous are happy and praise God.
    Isaiah 43:2 When you pass through rivers, they will not overwhelm you. Walk through fire and flames and not be burned or scorched. I am the Lord, your God and your Deliverer.
    1 Peter 1:5 Because you put your faith in God, you are under the protection of His power until the salvation now in readiness is revealed at the end of time.
    Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged.

    Keraz my friend, quoting verses that talk about fire/destruction or preconceived ideas does not a theology make.

    Each of these verses have a context and literary device. We can’t just quote passages and assume its all futurism.




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    [QUOTE=bluesky22;3483810]What’s your opinion of the apocryphal? Just noticed you had this here.

    Keraz my friend, quoting verses that talk about fire/destruction or preconceived ideas does not a theology make.

    Each of these verses have a context and literary device. We can’t just quote passages and assume its all futurism. [/FONT][/COLOR]

    I have the Apocrypha in my Bible; the Revised English Bible 1987 Oxford Press.
    I find it very useful for historical info, but the main interest is in the books of Esdras, Greek for the prophet Ezra. He was a prophet, but there are no prophesies of his in Biblical Ezra, they are all in the Apoc. That verse I quoted; 2 Esdras 16:15, is part of his prophecy of the Lord's Day of wrath by fire.

    My beliefs are not 'preconceived'. They come from reading and understanding what all the prophets wrote.
    Sure those verses have context; in every case, they apply to the Lord's judgement - the forthcoming terrible Day of His wrath against the nations.
    Find just one that you can prove I have used wrongly and I will humbly apologize. But anyway, the rest would stand as Written and to discount them, is not the right thing for an intelligent Christian to do.

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