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    Have you understood all this?

    After explaining to His disciples the parables of the Kingdom of Heaven, Jesus asked them; Have you understood all this? Matthew 13:51 and they answered – Yes.
    It was a simple sounding question, but actually He was asking the most profound question of the ages.. Jesus was asking if they knew that, in Gods eyes there are two and only two – classes of people in the world: Those that accept God and His Laws:
    wheat, buried treasure, pearls and good fish - and the children of Satan: tares, weeds and worthless fish.

    Matthew 13:37-42... He replied; The sower of the good seed is the Son of Man.
    The field is the world, the good seed stands for the children of the Kingdom and the weeds, the children of the evil one.
    The enemy who sowed the weeds is the devil The harvest is the end of time and the reapers are angels.
    As the weeds are gathered up and burnt at the end of the age, the Son of Man will rid His Kingdom of every cause of sin and all whose deeds are evil. These will be thrown into the blazing furnace, where there will be much wailing and sorrow.

    Matthew 13:43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father If you have ears, then hear.

    Just a speculation – but Jesus gave four parables about who will and who will not inherit the Kingdom;
    1/ The wheat and the weeds – Messianic Jews and apostate Jews, the House of Judah.
    2/ The buried treasure – The born again Christians who are also the House of Israel, hidden among the nations.
    3/ A pearl of great value – A person who dedicates their life to the Lord.
    4/ The good and worthless fish – Gentile peoples, believers and unbelievers.

    Luke 6:20 Blessed are you who are in need; the Kingdom of God is yours.
    Reference, Revised English Bible.

    “There are two kinds of people – those who say to God: Thy will be done, and those to whom God says: “all right, then, have it your way” C.S. Lewis

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    Re: Have you understood all this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    After explaining to His disciples the parables of the Kingdom of Heaven, Jesus asked them; Have you understood all this? Matthew 13:51 and they answered – Yes.
    It was a simple sounding question, but actually He was asking the most profound question of the ages.. Jesus was asking if they knew that, in Gods eyes there are two and only two – classes of people in the world: Those that accept God and His Laws:
    wheat, buried treasure, pearls and good fish - and the children of Satan: tares, weeds and worthless fish.

    Matthew 13:37-42... He replied; The sower of the good seed is the Son of Man.
    The field is the world, the good seed stands for the children of the Kingdom and the weeds, the children of the evil one.
    The enemy who sowed the weeds is the devil The harvest is the end of time and the reapers are angels.
    As the weeds are gathered up and burnt at the end of the age, the Son of Man will rid His Kingdom of every cause of sin and all whose deeds are evil. These will be thrown into the blazing furnace, where there will be much wailing and sorrow.

    Matthew 13:43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father If you have ears, then hear.

    Just a speculation – but Jesus gave four parables about who will and who will not inherit the Kingdom;
    1/ The wheat and the weeds – Messianic Jews and apostate Jews, the House of Judah.
    2/ The buried treasure – The born again Christians who are also the House of Israel, hidden among the nations.
    3/ A pearl of great value – A person who dedicates their life to the Lord.
    4/ The good and worthless fish – Gentile peoples, believers and unbelievers.

    Luke 6:20 Blessed are you who are in need; the Kingdom of God is yours.
    Reference, Revised English Bible.

    “There are two kinds of people – those who say to God: Thy will be done, and those to whom God says: “all right, then, have it your way” C.S. Lewis
    I see it somewhat differently. According to 2nd Peter 1:20 we may NOT interpret the Bible privately. That is, any interpretation must be explained by scripture itself. Thus, your results above need to be verified with scripture. Not to do so is not only an overthrow of 2nd Peter 1:20, but opens the door for wild speculation - something we are not short of in Christianity today. Matthew 13 is admittedly among the most difficult Chapters of the Bible. Part of the problem is the setting. Then, the various audiences create problems in understanding it. Finally, because Christianity is fixated on the cross and not the full revelation of the Bible, things that only apply to the Kingdom are forced by expositors to apply to the cross - thus creating a confusion.

    The setting.
    Overall, the gospel of Matthew ASSUMES the rebirth. Most of the teachings are ONLY for DISCIPLES of Jesus. Thus, we find "my Father", "your Father" and "our Father" often. God is only a Father if one has been born to Him. Added to this, the New Birth, the prerequisite for seeing and entering the Kingdom (Jn.3:3-5), is assumed because Matthew is about the King and His Kingdom. It is not primarily about getting people saved from the Lake of Fire. Matthew 13 has THREE different settings:
    1. After disowning His fleshly connection to Israel at the end of Chapter 12, our Lord Jesus "leaves the house". The context of disowning fleshly connections because of a New Birth, and the context, this "House" can only be Israel. Israel, by Chapter 11 have disowned Jesus and claimed that He was energized by Beelzebub. So in turn, our Lord Jesus "leaves" Israel to their own devices.
    2. The Lord Jesus gives FOUR Parables from a BOAT. The setting for these four Parables is the (i) sand of the sea shore, which He has left, (ii) the sea, which He rides on but is not part of, and (iii) the boat which rides on the sea but is not part of it. Since the sand of the sea shore is Israel (Gen.22:17, 32:12), and the "sea" are the nations (Ezek.26:3-5), the Boat must be the Church - IN the world but not OF the world.
    3. The Lord then enters a second "House" where only His disciples are, and in which He expounds THREE Parables. Since this House houses only our Lord Jesus and His disciples it must be the Church.

    The Audience.
    The Initial audience at the end of Chapter 12 is "His brethren according to the flesh". But then, leaving that House and in putting forth in the boat, His audience would have been (i) Disciples - His brethren by the new birth, (ii) Jews - His brethren according to the flesh, and (iii) Gentiles - for it was Samaria. To this audience our Lord Jesus speaks in Parables so that (i) only His disciples can understand, and (ii) the rest cannot understand the mysteries of the KINGDOM (not the gospel).

    We now arrive at Matthew 13:51 as the OP does. All though the Settings and the Parables, two things are apparent:
    1. The truth of the Kingdom is only given to the Church. Israel and the Nations cannot understand it.
    2. The truth of the Kingdom only proceeds out of the Church. In 1st Timothy 3:15 we learn that, "... the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."

    Israel and the Gentiles are (i) excluded from the Kingdom, and (ii) can never understand it. Further, by speaking in Parables, our Lord purposely hides these mysteries from Israel and the Nations (Matt.13:10-16).

    Literally hundreds of books with hundreds of pages have been written about this Chapter, and this posting could not possibly cover the in-depth explanations for the SEVEN Parables. But one thing must be observed. The Parables are NOT about the gospel. They are the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven. From Genesis 1:26-28 through the prophets, especially Daniel, through our Lord Jesus to Paul, the subject of the Bible is God's rule ON EARTH. And once the King had appeared to men with the offer of this Kingdom, there would be a RESULT. The mystery of the Kingdom in Matthew Chapter 13 is NOT what will happen with this Kingdom in the Millennium. It is about how it will develop in THIS AGE.

    Contrary to the OP, FOUR Peoples are shown in these Parables. They are:
    1. Christians. The Parable of the Sower ONLY concerns Christians who have already been born again. It is not the gospel that is in view but the DOCTRINE of the Kingdom of Heaven as it plays out in this age. Christians are found again in the Parable of the Wheat and Tares. According to John 12:24 Christ is a grain of Wheat and what proceeds from Him is also Wheat. Christians, being Wheat, are again found in the Parable of the leaven. Leaven does just one thing. It corrupts the pure Wheat and makes it palatable - easier to chew. Thus it shows Christians infused with something that corrupts the purity of God's Word and makes it easier to chew.
    2. Jews. The Parable of the Pearl is probably the most difficult Parable of the whole Bible. The reason is that there is very little about Pearls to explain it if we are faithful to avoid private interpretation. But Israel are Gates of Pearl in New Jerusalem, and so, without going into detail, we must say that the Parable of the Pearls concerns Jews (the many pearls) and Christ, King of the Jews (the Pearl of great price).
    3. Counterfeit Christians. The Parable of the Wheat and Tares shows two very different plants from two very different seeds, but that look identical until the fruit comes forth. If Wheat is the offspring of Christ in John 12, then the Darnell is something that looks like Christians in every aspect except when the fruit comes forth. The only Counterfeit Christian Kingdom on earth is the Roman Catholic Church. This Parable shows the Roman Church in this age and its destiny. Notice that its end is before that of the Wheat. The Darnell is burnt before the Wheat is Harvested. And truly, Revelation 17 shows Rome destroyed BEFORE Christ returns.
    4. The Nations, or the Gentiles. These are shown in the last Parable. Fish are from the sea. In Parable the sea is the nations (Ezek.26:3-5). When Christ returns and His throne is set up ON EARTH, He will judge the NATIONS (Matt.25:31-46).

    Enough for now. Maybe the objections and questions will give opportunity to open up one or two of the Parables.

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    Re: Have you understood all this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    After explaining to His disciples the parables of the Kingdom of Heaven, Jesus asked them; Have you understood all this? Matthew 13:51 and they answered – Yes.
    It was a simple sounding question, but actually He was asking the most profound question of the ages.. Jesus was asking if they knew that, in Gods eyes there are two and only two – classes of people in the world: Those that accept God and His Laws:
    wheat, buried treasure, pearls and good fish - and the children of Satan: tares, weeds and worthless fish.

    Matthew 13:37-42... He replied; The sower of the good seed is the Son of Man.
    The field is the world, the good seed stands for the children of the Kingdom and the weeds, the children of the evil one.
    The enemy who sowed the weeds is the devil The harvest is the end of time and the reapers are angels.
    As the weeds are gathered up and burnt at the end of the age, the Son of Man will rid His Kingdom of every cause of sin and all whose deeds are evil. These will be thrown into the blazing furnace, where there will be much wailing and sorrow.

    Matthew 13:43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father If you have ears, then hear.

    Just a speculation – but Jesus gave four parables about who will and who will not inherit the Kingdom;
    1/ The wheat and the weeds – Messianic Jews and apostate Jews, the House of Judah.
    2/ The buried treasure – The born again Christians who are also the House of Israel, hidden among the nations.
    3/ A pearl of great value – A person who dedicates their life to the Lord.
    4/ The good and worthless fish – Gentile peoples, believers and unbelievers.

    Luke 6:20 Blessed are you who are in need; the Kingdom of God is yours.
    Reference, Revised English Bible.

    “There are two kinds of people – those who say to God: Thy will be done, and those to whom God says: “all right, then, have it your way” C.S. Lewis
    In addition to the overview of posting #2 I would like to set forth some considerations as to the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares. The text is Matthew 13:24-44 (KJV):
    24 "Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
    25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
    26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
    27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
    28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
    29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
    30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
    ...
    36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
    37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
    38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
    39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
    40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
    41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
    42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
    43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."


    First, to make things clearer, let us consider these facts.
    1. The Parable does not concern faith in Christ and rebirth. Verse 38 says that they are ALREADY children of the Kingdom. The Parable concerns what happens AFTER they become "children of the Kingdom".
    2. The Parable does not concern Israel. In Matthew 21:43 the Kingdom is taken from Israel. They WERE the children of the Kingdom by virtue of their birth to Abraham, but are banished from it in Matthew 8:12.
    3. The Bible does NOT recognize the term "Messianic Jew". Any Jew who embraces, believes in and confesses Jesus is a New Creature without a past (2nd Cor.5:17), and in this New Man ethnicity does not exist (Gal.3:28; Col.3:11).

    ▶︎ John 12:24 declares our Lord as a grain of Wheat. This is consistent with Him being the "Meal Offering" of Leviticus 2, being the "Bread of Life" in John 6 and being a "loaf of bread" in the memorial of His broken Body when Christian celebrate the Lord's Table. The things of nature show the things of God (Rom.1:19-20), so in accordance with a grain of wheat being dying and being buried, and then bringing forth many more grains exactly like it, so our Lord Jesus brought forth many Christians by His death. Thus, our Lord Jesus is the "SOWER" and He sows wheat - just like He is. These, by their birth out of Christ and His death, are eligible for the Kingdom.

    ▶︎ "Men slept". They were not watchful, so unawares an enemy crept in and sowed OTHER SEED. This particular seed is the Darnell. In its early stages and right up to when it is about to bear its fruit, it looks like wheat. The huge difference comes at the harvest. The wheat dries up at the root, severing its connection to the world, brings forth an ear full of grains of nourishing and golden fruit, and bows its head. The Darnell stays rooted in the earth, brings for a black and poisonous fruit which stand proudly upright.

    ▶︎ The servants (angels) of the King recognize what has happened. The Wheat does not. The Wheat grows alongside the Darnell in happy ignorance. All looks the same. The King, not wishing to threaten even one ear of Wheat declines the offer to root up the Darnell. He wants to wait until the fruit of both becomes apparent. It is at this point that we must decide who the Darnell is. What looks like, talks like, acts like and uses the same language as a Christian, but is from a totally other seed. There is only one on earth during the "growing time" - that is, from resurrection day until now - the Roman Catholic Church. I do not say Catholics in general, for many are truly born again and come from Christ. I mean the hierarchy and organization of the Roman Church. It is an unparalleled COUNTERFEIT of Christianity. If you ask a Muslim or a Taoist or a Buddha, "where is Christianity today?", they will point to the Roman Catholic Church.

    ▶︎ "The harvest is the end of the age" The time period of the Wheat and the Darnell growing side by side is from Resurrection Day when our Lord Jesus came out of the earth and breathed Himself into His disciples until our Lord changes the age. This change is very easy to see. We live in an age of grace. When grace ceases and VENGEANCE starts, the age is over. When does vengeance start? When our Lord Jesus, newly crowned in heaven, opens the Seals. The exact date is the day that the "Abomination of Desolation" is set up in the Temple in Jerusalem. From that day forward men feel God's vengeance and the Two Witnesses in Jerusalem kill their opposers. Grace is over.

    ▶︎ The Roman Church,THE Counterfeit, who has the blood of the martyrs of Jesus on her, called by Revelation, "the Whore Mystery Babylon" has fornicated with the kings of the earth. But now her religion stands in the way. Her crucifixes, her statues, her religious rituals and her must be removed so that the Beast ALONE can be worshiped. Thus, she is destroyed by the kings of the earth. Revelation 17:16 tells why and how! "... the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."

    ▶︎ The Wheat has reached the harvest too. And the Church is to be raptured from the earth. The roots of the Wheat have dried up, and, having no connection to earth, are carried away by angels just as our Lord Jesus was "taken up" (Act.1:9) to the clouds (1st Thess.4:16-17). The Darnell is burnt by men, the Wheat harvested by angels to the King's barn. But WAIT! verse 30 says harvested IN BUNDLES! Why? Is not Wheat all the same? Why divide them? The reason is found in the "angels" of verse 41.
    The Darnell never were "children of the Kingdom". They are destroyed by men. The never come near the Kingdom. The ANGELS ONLY come near the "children of the Kingdom". And what do the angels do? They;
    • shall gather out of his kingdom. This means ONLY THOSE IN THE KINGDOM. It pertains to the "children of the kingdom" ONLY!
    • shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend. Who must these be? Christians who are, lukewarm, slothful and who loved the world
    • shall gather out of his kingdom them which do iniquity. Who are these. Christians who are habitual sinners and the disobedient
    • shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth!

    What? Christians in a furnace? Christians wailing? Christians gnashing teeth in agony and regret? OH YES! Is this not threatened throughout the new Testament? (i) The Parable of the Wedding Feast and the wrong garment. (ii) The Parable of the Talents. (iii) The Parable of the Pounds. (iv) The Parable of the five foolish Virgins. (v) Those who refuse to lose their "soul-life" for Christ's sake. (vi) Those who avoided Tribulation for Christ's sake (Act.14:22). (vii) Those who do not suffer with Christ (2nd Tim.2:12). (viii) Those who do not ADD virtue to their rebirth (2nd Pet.1:5-11). And what about direct statements like Galatians 5:21 and Ephesians 5:5??? And if some doubt remains, look at a harvest in nature. Are all ripe at the same time? NO! Therefore BUNDLES!

    This Parables is very full of information.
    1. It sets forth what the Kingdom will LOOK like in this age - Wheat and Darnell. Born again Christians and nominal Christians
    2. It sets forth the boundaries of the age of grace
    3. It reveals Rome for what she is
    4. It reveals the end of Rome - a fiery destiny at the hands of men
    5. It reveals the true Kingdom - those who proceed from Christ
    6. It reveals a harvest for all
    7. It reveals that not all Christians will be ripe
    8. It reveals that not all Christians will enter the Kingdom of Heaven
    9. It reveals that there are yet CONSEQUENCES for a slothful Christian life
    10. It reveals that the consequences are applied in the next age - that is, without grace

    What a rich Parable!

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    Re: Have you understood all this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    In addition to the overview of posting #2 I would like to set forth some considerations as to the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares.

    This Parables is very full of information.
    1. It sets forth what the Kingdom will LOOK like in this age - Wheat and Darnell. Born again Christians and nominal Christians
    2. It sets forth the boundaries of the age of grace
    3. It reveals Rome for what she is
    4. It reveals the end of Rome - a fiery destiny at the hands of men
    5. It reveals the true Kingdom - those who proceed from Christ
    6. It reveals a harvest for all
    7. It reveals that not all Christians will be ripe
    8. It reveals that not all Christians will enter the Kingdom of Heaven
    9. It reveals that there are yet CONSEQUENCES for a slothful Christian life
    10. It reveals that the consequences are applied in the next age - that is, without grace

    What a rich Parable!
    It also reveals that Christians will live alongside the ungodly until the end of the age, when Jesus Returns.

    Therefore the pre-trib rapture, is wrong and cannot happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    It also reveals that Christians will live alongside the ungodly until the end of the age, when Jesus Returns.

    Therefore the pre-trib rapture, is wrong and cannot happen.
    If it is a harvest then we must look to scripture to interpret a harvest. Leviticus Chapter 23 is comprehensive. Although it is one harvest it spans THREE gatherings;
    1. The Firstfruits - those who are ripe first
    2. The General Harvest - Wheat that needs more time, heat and dryness to become ripe
    3. The Gleanings - that which is left for the weak and the poor.

    • Exodus 23:19 and 34:26 command that the Firstfruits are to be placed in God's HOUSE.
    • Matthew 13:30 says the harvest goes into the Lord's BARN

    It is up to you to place these two different places. Is it the Lord's House on earth that was made according to the Pattern of that in heaven (the Temple), or is it the Real One in heaven? I think Revelation 14:1-5 shows where. Those who follow the Lamb wherever He goes, who are without guile and guilt, and who are Virgins "redeemed FROM the earth" and are FIRSTFRUITS are in the same place that the four Creatures and 24 Elders are.

    Thus are the promises of Luke 21:36 and Revelation 3:10 fulfilled.

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    It requires much use of inference and supposition, to make a 'rapture to heaven' from scripture.
    I looked up 'barn' and the Greek word there, just means a 'place'. Could be heaven, but far more likely the earth, specifically the Lord's holy Land.

    1/ Jesus was the Firstfruit.
    2/ There will be heat for sure, when the Lord Judges the nations and gathers His faithful people into all of the holy Land. Isaiah 42:2, Hebrews 10:27, Zephaniah 3:8
    3/ Those people who will come to the Lord after His Day of wrath.

    Revelation 14:1-5 and Revelation 7:1-8 both describe the people who will proclaim the gospel to the nations. Proved by Isaiah 66:19
    redeemed from.... means; brought out of - selected from, not taken away from.

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    Re: Have you understood all this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    It requires much use of inference and supposition, to make a 'rapture to heaven' from scripture.
    I looked up 'barn' and the Greek word there, just means a 'place'. Could be heaven, but far more likely the earth, specifically the Lord's holy Land.

    1/ Jesus was the Firstfruit.
    2/ There will be heat for sure, when the Lord Judges the nations and gathers His faithful people into all of the holy Land. Isaiah 42:2, Hebrews 10:27, Zephaniah 3:8
    3/ Those people who will come to the Lord after His Day of wrath.

    Revelation 14:1-5 and Revelation 7:1-8 both describe the people who will proclaim the gospel to the nations. Proved by Isaiah 66:19
    redeemed from.... means; brought out of - selected from, not taken away from.
    Then I'll settle for "brought out of". Revelation 14:3 should then read;

    "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were BROUGHT OUT FROM the earth."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    Then I'll settle for "brought out of". Revelation 14:3 should then read;

    "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were BROUGHT OUT FROM the earth."
    This thread is about understanding God's plans for the future.
    It is told to us that the Lord will elect 144, 000 righteous people from the peoples of the earth. That they are designated to be from each of the original twelve tribes of Israel is another issue.
    But why the Lord does select them and what is their purpose is told us in Isaiah 66:19 I shall put a sign on them and some I shall send to the nations.... to declare My Glory....
    It will be them who will go out in pairs to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Luke 10:1-10 is the precursor for them. The Angel described in Revelation 14:6-7, is an allegory for them.

    Therefore the 144,000 and the vast multitude of Revelation 7:9-14, remain on earth, doing what God requires of them, nowhere can it be found that anyone of them goes to heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    This thread is about understanding God's plans for the future.
    It is told to us that the Lord will elect 144, 000 righteous people from the peoples of the earth. That they are designated to be from each of the original twelve tribes of Israel is another issue.
    But why the Lord does select them and what is their purpose is told us in Isaiah 66:19 I shall put a sign on them and some I shall send to the nations.... to declare My Glory....
    It will be them who will go out in pairs to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Luke 10:1-10 is the precursor for them. The Angel described in Revelation 14:6-7, is an allegory for them.

    Therefore the 144,000 and the vast multitude of Revelation 7:9-14, remain on earth, doing what God requires of them, nowhere can it be found that anyone of them goes to heaven.
    Your OP seemed to me to be about the Parable of the Wheat and Tares. In my exposition I should, with many reasons, why it show Counterfeit Christians. It is nOT about the future. It pertains to this age and we see Rome, the counterfeit Christianity in full bloom before our eyes.

    Isaiah 66 concerns the "comfort of Jerusalem" (v.13). It continues with a warning to those who despise the Law and eat swine's flesh. This again addresses Israel because ONLY THEY are forbidden swine's flesh. Then the Lord says of them that escape His judgement, He will send to the nations - NOT TO PREACH THE GOSPEL - but to declare YAHWEH'S fame and glory among the nations, AND to "gather their brethren" from the nations into which God scattered them. Since Israel is meant, "their brethren" must be Israelites. It has nothing to do with our Lord Jesus' sending His DISCIPLES in Luke 10:1-10. The Lord DISCIPLES, preach the Kingdom - NOT OF ISRAEL - but of God. The promise "peace" to those who hear and a "day of vengeance" to those who refuse it - a day in which it will go better with Sodom than Jerusalem. Is this the "comfort of Jerusalem"?

    And both texts have nothing to do with Revelation 7:1-8. These 144,000 neither preach comfort for Jerusalem to Jews, nor address the nations. They are "sealed" so that they are not hurt by the Great Tribulation" (Rev.9:4). Here, there is no comfort for Jerusalem for she is still trampled by Gentiles, an earthquake comes, a tenth of the city will collapse and 7,000 men in her must be slain (Rev.11:13).

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    Re: Have you understood all this?

    You say, Walls, that Isaiah 66 is purely to do with Israel.
    But your belief that Israel is only the Jews, confuses you. That the true Israel is far more than those who call themselves Jews, is plain. Romans 9:6-8

    Isaiah 66:18b-21 tells us that people from all nations and languages will gather to worship the Lord in the holy Land.... Some will be selected for His priests and Levites.
    Despite your protestations, this does parallel Revelation 7:1-14. [verses 15-17 refer to after the Millennium; wipe away every tear....repeated in Rev 21:4]

    Is it really so hard to think that God's Plans for His people, now every faithful, born again Christian, will gather and live as described in Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Zephaniah 3:9-10, +, in ALL of the holy Land worshipping Him and proclaiming the good news of the coming Kingdom of Jesus? Isn't that the epitome of what God wants?

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