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    What time of day was Jesus's death, burial, resurrection

    The reason for the question is that the process does appear to be longer than three days. Thoughts, comments. Thanks.

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    The traditional thought was that Jesus was buried at sunset (sabbath) on Wednesday night and was in the grave three days thus he would then had to rise on Saturday night. My question is then if this was the case (note I do agree with the three day part of course) Then why was there an 8 to 12 hour delay for the earthquake to occur and the stone to be rolled out of the way. Why the delay? Would you not think that the earthquake and the stone being rolled away would have shortly occurred after his resurrection? And that perhaps the sounding of the earthquake was the actual resurrection?

    Thus if he did rise Sunday morning then he could have not been buried Wednesday at sunset. Holding true to three days in the grave. Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    The traditional thought was that Jesus was buried at sunset (sabbath) on Wednesday night and was in the grave three days thus he would then had to rise on Saturday night. My question is then if this was the case (note I do agree with the three day part of course) Then why was there an 8 to 12 hour delay for the earthquake to occur and the stone to be rolled out of the way. Why the delay? Would you not think that the earthquake and the stone being rolled away would have shortly occurred after his resurrection? And that perhaps the sounding of the earthquake was the actual resurrection?

    Thus if he did rise Sunday morning then he could have not been buried Wednesday at sunset. Holding true to three days in the grave. Thoughts?
    Maybe it would help you to have another look at it from a Catholic rendition of it all. That way you can compare the two. I mean the question on days has to do with 72 hrs. that one feels should be there and the other does not. There was also the question of there being two sabbaths which is also addressed. It just would give you a comparison.
    http://www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/num56.htm

    The whole christian faith is centered around Christ raising on the first day of the week. From forming worship on that day and resurrection on that day. Here is a quote from that site regarding the first day and the importance:
    "'On the Lord's day,' occurring only here in the New Testament, clearly refers to the first day of the week. The Lord had been raised on that day (cf. Luke 24:1,13,21,46), the Holy Spirit came on the first day (Acts 2:1), the Jewish festival Shavuot (Pentecost) always came on the first day of the week (Lev 23:15,16). Since the church began on Pentecost, the first day was the birthday of the church. The early church met on that day to eat the Lord's supper (Acts 20:7), and believers were taught to lay by of their means on that day for the support of others (1 Cor 16:1-2).

    This is worth scanning through it all as most objections are talked about including this 3 night thing. So it will give you a different perspective using other scriptures to explain things and the importance again of the first day of the week for Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    The reason for the question is that the process does appear to be longer than three days. Thoughts, comments. Thanks.
    The time is, of course, subject to dispute. What often gets lost is that the Hebrew (and Biblical) day starts at sunset, not sunrise like we have it. "... And the evening and the morning were the first day" (Gen.1:5, etc). So the best is to work backward from sunset (end of one day and beginning of the next). So the earliest that our Lord could have been resurrected was just after sunset, Saturday night for after that it is Sunday. All the verses which give a time, do not give a time of His resurrection but the time when the disciples came to the tomb. It was "still dark" (Jn.20:1).

    Then, to compound the issue, all the verses giving the time of resurrection says "the third day He will rise again", which seems to indicate "ON", or "IN" the third day. But that would create a difficulty with Matthew 12:40, "... so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth", indicating COMPLETED days and nights. But if Matthew 12:40 says COMPLETED days and nights then the other verses should read "IN the fourth day he shall rise". So Matthew 12:40 must mean that He rose in the dark after 6 p.m. Saturday, but close to dawn of Sunday.

    Working backward from there we have Sunday darkness (1 night), Saturday darkness (2 nights), and Friday darkness (3 nights). This would put His death at 3 p.m. on Thursday. Now this would also tie up with the instruction to Moses to inspect the Passover Lamb for blemishes for four days. Our Lord Jesus entered Jerusalem on a donkey on a Sunday (as He would not have broken the Sabbath by this journey on a Saturday). The gospels, especially Mark 11 onward gives record of various interrogations. But according to Mark 11:12 they started "on the morrow" after our Lord's triumphant entry into Jerusalem. So the FOUR days must have started on a Monday and only been completed on the Thursday when Pilate said twice, "I find no fault" (Lk.23:4, 14).

    So it would seem that the bulk of evidence points to the crucifixion at 9 a.m. Thursday morning, and His death at 3 p.m. Thursday afternoon.

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    I agree with you Walls

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    Now this would also tie up with the instruction to Moses to inspect the Passover Lamb for blemishes for four days.
    Where is this in scriptures...I was not able to find it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    The time is, of course, subject to dispute. What often gets lost is that the Hebrew (and Biblical) day starts at sunset, not sunrise like we have it. "... And the evening and the morning were the first day" (Gen.1:5, etc). So the best is to work backward from sunset (end of one day and beginning of the next). So the earliest that our Lord could have been resurrected was just after sunset, Saturday night for after that it is Sunday. All the verses which give a time, do not give a time of His resurrection but the time when the disciples came to the tomb. It was "still dark" (Jn.20:1).
    But when you read the other accounts when they came to the tomb was not right after sunset Sat. but rather right before sunrise Sunday the next day.....

    John 20
    1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

    Matt 28
    1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
    2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.


    Mark 16
    1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
    2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

    In addition Jesus's body was not retrieved until after sunset which would have been Wednesday and then the body needed preparation before burial...

    John 19
    38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
    39 And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.
    40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.
    41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.
    42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.

    Luke 23
    52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
    53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
    54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
    55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
    56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

    Mark 15
    42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath
    43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.

    So it would seem that the bulk of evidence points to the crucifixion at 9 a.m. Thursday morning, and His death at 3 p.m. Thursday afternoon.
    So how I see it, was Jesus died 3pm Wednesday, he was left upon the cross for all to see until sunset 6pm-9pm wherein it was dark and no longer could be seen from the road. His body then was retrieved and prepared for burial and a stone then placed in front of tomb. Working three days back from Sunday morning just before dawn then his burial completed 3am Thursday morning, resurrection 3am Sunday morning. The entire process taking 3.5 days.

    Interesting the 2W's from their death to resurrection was 3.5 days. (never buried)

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    The KJV is the best. It sort of was the first Bible read throughout the world. The KJV we all know is virtually Tyndale's translation of Erasmus' Greek text of the NT. To this day few translations improved anything in the KJV.

    From the 16th to the twentieth century dozens of English revisions, editions and translations followed the KJV in regards to days and their dates and times of days and dates specifically and particularly with regard to Jesus' Last Passover of Yahweh Suffering, Death and Resurrection. For four centuries long, they just about literally stayed exactly the same!

    Then suddenly in the middle and last quarter of the 20th century every and all translations simultaneously - AT ONCE - CHANGED these very time indications and time descriptions and left no exception after the SECOND of these phenomenal metamorphic periods of 'dynamic equivalent' translation of the Scriptures.

    Check up the new translations during the 5th and 7-8th decades. Show me one case of relevant time-indication or references which escaped these money-changers' fraudulent acts. Yes publish or perish is the law of survival even for Bible translators. And new translations sell for their CHANGES.

    My question is, Why were the specific changes made? Why at first and at last so together and precisely the same texts? And HOW was it done so orchestrated, uniformly, complete and finally?

    Because: The church did not LIKE them because they each one of them gave CLEAR and unambiguous day and time of day and date of day UNACCEPTABLE FOR THE CHURCH.

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    He would have been in the grave though for three full days, correct? I think that's the main point, but I could be wrong. Based on how we'd view it:

    Wednesday afternoon - Death
    Wednesday night to Thursday night - day 1
    Thursday night to Friday night - day 2
    Friday night to Saturday night - day 3
    Sunday - Resurrection

    From the writer's perspective this would be:

    Wednesday night (our afternoon) - Death
    Thursday morning to Friday morning - day 1
    Friday morning to Saturday morning - day 2
    Saturday morning to Sunday morning - day 3
    Sunday - Resurrection

    So both ways would have the resurrection on Sunday, it's just a matter of whether this was at dawn or sometime during what we would still call Saturday night. Does it say anywhere the time of day He rose? Seems like the discrepancy is just over ~6hrs., which isn't practical to include when telling someone a figure in "days."
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    Re: What time of day was Jesus's death, burial, resurrection

    Quote Originally Posted by Aviyah View Post
    He would have been in the grave though for three full days, correct? I think that's the main point, but I could be wrong. Based on how we'd view it:

    Wednesday afternoon - Death
    Wednesday night to Thursday night - day 1
    Thursday night to Friday night - day 2
    Friday night to Saturday night - day 3
    Sunday - Resurrection

    From the writer's perspective this would be:

    Wednesday night (our afternoon) - Death
    Thursday morning to Friday morning - day 1
    Friday morning to Saturday morning - day 2
    Saturday morning to Sunday morning - day 3
    Sunday - Resurrection

    So both ways would have the resurrection on Sunday, it's just a matter of whether this was at dawn or sometime during what we would still call Saturday night. Does it say anywhere the time of day He rose? Seems like the discrepancy is just over ~6hrs., which isn't practical to include when telling someone a figure in "days."
    If he was in the grave Wednesday night then he is in the grave longer than three days.......Scripture says three days in the earth but is that just an approximate?

    I agree with the Sunday resurrection and believe the sounding of the earthquake may have been the timing of this event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    If he was in the grave Wednesday night then he is in the grave longer than three days.......Scripture says three days in the earth but is that just an approximate?
    Wednesday night to us would be Thursday morning for them. I think the only definite answer would be a verse which says the time of day He rose, because just "Sunday" could be anything from our Saturday night to our Sunday afternoon. If there's no info on that, based on a 3pm crucifixion, we'd be saying Scripture is wrong to use "3 days" when it was really "3 days plus 3 hours." And actually it should be less than three hours given the time it took to clean/transport/bury Him. I think the meaning could be lost when trying to be this precise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyCyd View Post
    Where is this in scriptures...I was not able to find it?
    Exodus 12:3-6. Sorry brother for not posting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    But when you read the other accounts when they came to the tomb was not right after sunset Sat. but rather right before sunrise Sunday the next day.....

    John 20
    1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

    Matt 28
    1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
    2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.


    Mark 16
    1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
    2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

    In addition Jesus's body was not retrieved until after sunset which would have been Wednesday and then the body needed preparation before burial...

    John 19
    38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
    39 And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.
    40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.
    41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.
    42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.

    Luke 23
    52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
    53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
    54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
    55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
    56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

    Mark 15
    42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath
    43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.



    So how I see it, was Jesus died 3pm Wednesday, he was left upon the cross for all to see until sunset 6pm-9pm wherein it was dark and no longer could be seen from the road. His body then was retrieved and prepared for burial and a stone then placed in front of tomb. Working three days back from Sunday morning just before dawn then his burial completed 3am Thursday morning, resurrection 3am Sunday morning. The entire process taking 3.5 days.

    Interesting the 2W's from their death to resurrection was 3.5 days. (never buried)
    The Law of Moses says in Deuteronomy 21:23; "His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance." So the Jews would not have left Christ on the cross until sunset. John 19:31 confirms this; "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." But even if it was, the deciding TIME is 3 p.m. because that is when our Lord died. The calculation must start there and not be longer than three days and three nights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    But even if it was, the deciding TIME is 3 p.m. because that is when our Lord died. The calculation must start there and not be longer than three days and three nights.
    So the resurrection was now 3pm Sat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviyah View Post
    He would have been in the grave though for three full days, correct? I think that's the main point, but I could be wrong. Based on how we'd view it:
    "'Based on how we'd view it:'" which exactly is the 'dynamic equivalent' and wrong approach, because how we'd view it, should be based on just that which is written (as near as possible the literal the original). I am very sure that's the main point, and could not be wrong until proved wrong by the KJV and or Greek...

    ...which, neither states, that Christ was "'in the grave for three full days'". Not by far in time, and not by far in state, place or condition of death and being buried.

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