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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybird View Post
    and what are your thoughts on it? does a miscarry / abortion take place in the passage?
    It appears that it could. But this is a whole different thing what we are discussing.

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    Re: What God Thinks Of Abortion..

    Just wanted to add to this discussion, for any reading in the wings...

    Will God forgive a man or woman for having an abortion?

    Absolutely.
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    For me, this explains the Christian view nicely.

    https://youtu.be/8wURL0rVLbY

    Jaybird, what are your thoughts on this video?

    Life begins when something is born!

    When I became a Christian, I was born again, and life started back at ground zero, in many ways, I had to relearn the whole world ( through spiritual eyes that is 00 )
    A cannot be A & not A at the same time.

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    Re: What God Thinks Of Abortion..

    Quote Originally Posted by bluesky22 View Post
    This is the only good that happens out of the whole torrid affair.
    This is not accurate. God could reach mom, dad and rest of the family though this ordeal, before and after. Not to mention all of us, nurses, doctors, supportive help... Let us pray that He does.

    This atrocity needs to be stopped however. I feel very passionate about this.

    I have seen things many have not! This is wrong

    We are killing our young before they are born -but they are ALIVE- silently, under cover. How could things be any worse?

    How can God ever let us stand as we are ?

    Its been said, two wrongs dont make a right.
    A cannot be A & not A at the same time.

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    Re: What God Thinks Of Abortion..

    Quote Originally Posted by jaybird View Post
    i agree 100 percent. we have no place to interfere with the creation process. once conception has taken place and the women is pregnant, there is no stopping the process once it has began.
    my point all along has nothing to do with advocating abortion, it has to do with when life begins and when we receive our soul. if all this begins at conception it makes birth and first breath rather meaningless and it leads to some problems with other scriptures as well, such as the generations should be beginning at conception rather than birth. and we know this is false.
    Thanks for clarifying. I think the point has been made pretty clear the importance from the womb. Just like we do now...the life is not numbered with the nation till the child is born. This does not change that the Lord knows them before this:

    Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

    I think the Lord creates living souls...the fact that you are not counted by men till you are born does not change the fact that the Lord already knows you.

    So the point is do you see a child the way the Lord sees a child or do you see a child as man sees a child?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesky22 View Post
    Two different animals my friend. Adam was created fully formed, a man. God did what He does, to make him alive with a soul. A breath of life. I dont know what this actually entails.

    Adam wasnt pulled from thin air fully created, the Father formed him from dust just the same as we are formed in the womb.

    I agree, a very profound moment. Quite different tho, from a pregnancy.

    i dont think it makes any difference that Adam was not in a mothers womb, either way the Most High formed Adam just as He formed us. Adam breathed after the formation was complete, we breath after the formation is complete. IMO its not coincidence.
    So are you saying that in order there to be life, we need to be physically breathing with our actual lungs?

    If so, why do doctors test fetuses for life?
    is a doctors view of life the same as a believers? a person IMO is not complete without the spiritual part, its the most important pat as its the part that lives on, how many times do doctors check on the spiritual part of people, most do not care and the ones that do have to keep those opinions to themselves as its frowned on by the medical leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesky22 View Post
    Here is what you said:..
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    If I keep it simple, at least I will understand what I say

    The verse has nothing to do with valuing the child differently at different stages, so it has nothing to do with determining an acceptable 'age' to kill the child. It is addressing the issue of reasonable doubt for purposes of culpability.

    And if I may call attention to my first post concerning the issue:
    It it INSANE that people who do not believe the Bible would use the Bible to convince people who do believe the Bible that it is OK to kill a child. It is even more insane for those claiming to be Christian to do it.

    Why do we even have this discussion when those who wish to kill children and prefer science over the Bible, when science says human life starts at conception.
    Abortionists don't care what the Bible says. Even if the Bible has nothing to say about it, science says it for us. All these little nuances that people argue over are irrelevant distractions to the issue.

    The only reason someone would use the Bible to justify abortion is to salve their own consciences. Misusing scripture is never a salve for the work of conviction by the Holy Spirit, so even after all the discussions they will still feel the conviction. "Thou shalt not kill" They can deal with it.

    So they contradict their own science and say it isn't a life.
    When the very nature of a woman is to grieve with a miscarriage, it is not a silly sentimentalism, but an actual grief at the loss of a life. Even non-Christian women know this by instinct.

    As soon as you convince them that the Bible does not condone murder of a child, then the argument shifts to something else because they do not care what the Bible says.

    Other issues they bring up in the Bible have nothing to do with justifying abortion. They are the most egregious distortions of God's words that there can be.

    The test for infidelity is a grace. The drink was not a magic potion. When nothing happened, guilty or not, falsely accused or not, the couple got a second chance and a second beginning. It does not condone abortion.

    The law permitting stoning of children did not condone murder. It too was a grace. When the parent was faced with such an option, they chose to love their children even with the infractions; just as God loves us even with our sin.

    Think of Solomon's wisdom in threatening to cut the child in two. He knew the nature of the real and false mothers and it was a test, not a real threat. These laws are the same. Solomon got his wisdom from the law of God.

    God and Solomon are both seen as mean and capricious because their wisdom is not understood and wicked people distort the Word of God to make them monsters.

    I hope that clarifies my position. I'll read it again later to see if I still understand it.

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    They already know its murder. No one really needs to convince anyone that killing a baby is murder.

    Its a depravity issue. Its a heart issue.

    Because God has given these minds over to depravity, its only going to get worse, and now born infants are murdered. In some counties contrary to the mothers wishes.

    I am talking about the policy makers, not all, as many are deceived combined with the other cultural pressures they live with and their own selfish desires. Jesus has a space for those who repent and turn to God.

    But the policy makers - I beleive they have fallen into the state Romans 1:28 refers to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyCyd View Post
    Thanks for clarifying. I think the point has been made pretty clear the importance from the womb. Just like we do now...the life is not numbered with the nation till the child is born. This does not change that the Lord knows them before this:

    Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

    I think the Lord creates living souls...the fact that you are not counted by men till you are born does not change the fact that the Lord already knows you.

    So the point is do you see a child the way the Lord sees a child or do you see a child as man sees a child?
    the Lord knew Jeremiah not just before he was born but before the formation in the womb. that would be his spirit that was known to the Lord. when we pass on to the next world our flesh does not come with us, it parishes and what is left IMO is our true self.

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    Re: What God Thinks Of Abortion..

    Quote Originally Posted by kyCyd View Post
    So the point is do you see a child the way the Lord sees a child or do you see a child as man sees a child?
    This is the question for everything! Are we seeing things as the Lord sees them? Great post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybird View Post
    hard to believe no one understood it this way until recent years. also strange it coincides when abortion became the big political debate.
    I don't know where you got this assumption from, but life in the womb hasn't been thought of recently.

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    Jaybird, you still have not touched on the context of the Genesis 2:7 verse. You focus on a "first breath" done by man is starting life while ignoring that "life" began at conception. Adam and Eve were not "conceived", they were created... read on.

    Look at the context of the verse, has nothing to do with man's first breath. Its all about God's first breath as a final element of the creation process. Then from man, God created woman. Then together, man and woman continue procreating BUT, here is where your understanding seems to "want" life to start at a first breath... your misunderstanding is man/woman are not "creating" life... they are PROCREATING life. When does a man and woman accomplish this procreation?

    When a baby is conceived! Meaning, life is continued at the moment of conception.
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    The act of abortion is very irresponsible and a horrible state of mind that people have lowered to. Especially a little precious baby that is able to survive or live outside of the mothers whomb has rights and this is murder of an innocent life

    The claim that there was an Abortion spell: - in Num 5:2122 - This passage could be studied in detail to see what it was explaining.

    The Bible says that this process of determining if a woman had committed a BLOOD CRIME This whole process is all described as a type of a blood test or a physical examination or in scientific terms - a false positive testing procedure .

    The woman was undergoing a - physical / natural - testing procedure to see if her blood and organs and vaginal area were literally infected and - - physically unclean, infected, sordid or diseased and contaminated. - or defiled. - - The woman simply drank or ingested a scientific controlled formula that would mildly interact with the blood supply and infected, unclean, infected, diseased or contaminated blood supply, organs and inner body parts of the woman.

    This was all mixed together and made from natural ingredients that showed proof, examination, results or a rise or upshot / stimulus of the pre - existing infection already - in her body " --- false positive test procedure .

    The woman simply drank or injected a scientific formula that would mildly interact with the blood supply and infected, unclean, infected, diseased or contaminated blood supply, organs and inner body parts of the woman was all based upon - all natural ingredients that are somehow interacting in a natural metabolic process that showed total proof, evidence, verification, proof, corroboration, substantiation and validation to the fact that the woman was being untruthful about the BLOOD CRIME infidelity and adultery that the husband was almost confident, certain, certain, convinced and completely sure that His wife had committed against him and His BLOOD - His other wives and also all of their future children to be born.

    It would mildly stimulate, ( SPEED UP THE PROCESS } induce, bring on, stimulate, induce and soon activate the virus, bugs or germs or disease that was existent and already present in the womans body because she had been screwing around on Her husband and endangering Him and all of His other wives in the normal polygamy Biblical Family Structure Of Gods Families. Also endangering the oncoming future children who were to be born / conceived - from all of the other wives of the Husband. Yes - The Priest makes the woman swear an oath that if she has been unfaithful that the water will enter her and become bitter. It will cause her thigh to rot and her belly to swell. If she was not lying - then no harm will befall her and everything would be ok in the family. And the test results would prove that the woman was honest or had not been infected. - - This had nothing to do with a pregnancy test or a method of killing a baby or terminating a pregnancy - this is never mentioned anywhere in the Bible.

    This was something in the analogy, metaphor, parallel, or correspondence in that - of a semblance - to something like a tuberculosis test where You intake or place a mixture into Your body and if You are infected - then the symptoms and signs of the infection would mildly begin to be displayed in the arm. Only in this testing - the infected womans private parts that eventually we're going to develop an infection and slowly start to rot, decompose, deteriorate, decay, fester and putrefy from the plague or disease that was going around that this point in time in the Biblical history.

    And her inner thigh and the private area would rot and her belly would swell from the infection that she had contracted in the form of a sexually transmitted SDT or disease. A miscarriage or an abortion was never even the point. The woman was asked to be honest about her sexual behavior - to ensure that the Man and His other wives and future children were not going to come down with the disease that was literally rotting and decomposing pertaining to the area of the sexual organs and thigh area and womb, - stomach.

    Then the woman is to say, Amen. So be it. To the oath and promise that she had made that she had not committed adultery on Her husband that placed Him in any danger in a sexual way and had not committed a - BLOOD CRIME

    Blood Crimes Are Real. The Oath became a Curse.

    This is how the Bible always defines a curse.- AS - Cause and effect that is brought about by one's own words in an oath or by their own physical actions of willing disobedience. Imagine living in a world as were in the Bible days, there were no treatments, tests, medicines and antibiotics, cures, surgeries, and modern advanced technologies. Once You catch a disease You and everyone that You infect thereafter - are doomed to suffer a horrible, painful and excruciating, torturous and agonizing Painful horrible death. You beg for someone to knock You in the head and get it over with as Your penis, vagina or Your guts or liver or organs are literally slowly rotting off - with no painkillers, no treatments, and medicines. They were desperately trying to keep their families safe, clean, disease and STD and germ-free and thousands upon thousands of people were dying from sexually transmitted diseases all around them. This testing procedure was an attempt to advance in their own way to develop a testing procedure of a nature that would determine results concerning horrible sexually transmitted diseases that they were trying to stop.

    This is exactly how modern advances were made and progression and advances were made in the medical field that was established and conducted and developed into the world of medical science and practice. People who disobey and commit a BLOOD CRIME bring the curses upon themselves by their sexual immorality. We do not know what was all included in the drink mix that was used to perform this physical test to determine if a woman was infected or not. There are many, many details that are not included. But these are the facts of the case. The floor of the temple was the cleanest and holiest surface that could possibly exist of all places that were not serialized and cleansed by fire.

    The High Priest was allowed to enter the Holy of Holies and walk on the floor " ONLY " once a year on the Day of Atonement. - No one was to walk on this floor. - except for the High Priest once a year. Whatever they mixed together in the water including the dust from the floor of the tent of the Holy of Holies - holy dwelling presence - somehow caused a physical reaction in a woman's body that if - was infected with a specific sexually transmitted disease and the disease or virus was a positive test.

    I can find no reason to suggest that this has anything to do with abortions or birth control or pregnancy - in the original manuscripts. This is simply not in the manuscripts from what I am reading... Does anyone else see anything about the life of a conceived child..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybird View Post
    i didnt know the bible said that. i thought it began when we received our soul at first breath. why do we start counting our lifetime from birth and not conception?
    When the Blessed Virgin Mary visited pregnant with our Lord Jesus Christ visited Elizabeth her child John jumped in her womb in joy. Neither one of them had taken their first breath.

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