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    Re: Is the Tithe a Bondage?

    First of all, the the is not part of the Law and never was....Abraham paid tithes to Melchezek, the King of Salem, long before Moses was given the Law. A tithe is an act of faith, just like Abraham was going to offer up Isaac. For us(wife and I), tithing is one of the most spirtitual uplifting things that we do, and whether one tithes or not, is between them and God and none of my business....

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    Re: Is the Tithe a Bondage?

    Quote Originally Posted by enoch View Post
    First of all, the the is not part of the Law and never was....Abraham paid tithes to Melchezek, the King of Salem, long before Moses was given the Law. A tithe is an act of faith, just like Abraham was going to offer up Isaac. For us(wife and I), tithing is one of the most spirtitual uplifting things that we do, and whether one tithes or not, is between them and God and none of my business....
    To act under a law that is not required in NT theology is, in my opinion, a form of legalism. If you want to give to the church, God bless you. Just don't tell others, as our pastors do, that tithing is a *requirement* in the Bible. It was required under the Law of Moses, but not under the New Covenant of Christ.

    Abraham tithed to Melchizedek by giving him a tenth, but he did not pay the tithe under the Old Covenant Law. There was no such law at that time! Abraham did not regularly give to Melchizedek, because Abraham paid to him out of the spoils of one particular battle. Abraham did not regular fight battles in order to pay tithes to Melchizedek!

    To say that people paid a tenth, at times, to someone, like paying a tax to God, does not mean it was any particular kind of rule. But under the Law of Moses it was, in fact, a rule. So don't say the tithe was not part of the Law of Moses. It was. It is irresponsible to say otherwise.

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    Galatians Chapter 3 - is such an important message that is explaining how that gentiles are a part of Abrahams seed - they are asked to be in service to God - by their faith in Yahoshua. Yahoshua is also a descendant from the seed of Abraham and Yahoshua came from the bosom of the father and creator.. - - - The next Chapter in Galatians 4 - it further explains this message, saying that God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law. To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

    Chapter 4 also calls unto those who did not know God and to those who did service unto other gods and those who were in bondage unto things that were not of God. Chapter 4 uses the example of Hagar and her seed in an allegory or symbolic metaphor that is symbolized / compared against the seed of Sarah. Explaining how that the seed of Sarah is presently in service with her spiritual children but the seed of Hagar did not presently exist at the time when Chapter 4 was written and the seed of Hagar is left remaining under the old covenant standards of the law - because the seed of Hagar simply does not exist any longer. In the Bible, the seed of Hagar is shown to have been completely disappeared and removed from the earth - as God prophesied to remove them forever.

    The book of Galatians completely brings out the message of the spiritual plan that God has in store, to adopt and graft in the gentiles into the family of Abraham - to be in SERVICE to God, by faith in Yahoshua. And it does this by comparing the seed of Sarah to the seed of Hagar. Giving an allegory to demonstrate that even though the seed of Hagar was also the seed of Abraham this seed symbolized the difference between the earthly and the spiritual in Gods standard. This is done to further show how important it is that we understand that God's plan in a spiritual plan and not just a fleshly plan.

    This is explained in Gal 4:24* - These things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage :25 saying " For this Hagar represents Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem in a symbolic allegory which Jerusalem " presently exists, and is in SERVICE with her children.

    I noticed that The Roman Catholic and Protestant Translation says that - Jerusalem " presently exists, and is in BONDAGE with her children. And they changed and mistranslated verse 25. - - But - these are two different Greek words ( bondage and service that apply to Hagar and Sarah - the word applied to Sarah in the Manuscripts is the Greek word SERVICE { NOT BONDAGE } and is the same Greek word used in the following verses.

    Service applied to Sarah was = G1398 - δουλεύω - douleuō - dool-yoo'-o

    Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other;
    Luk 15:29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed
    Luk 16:13 No servant can serve two masters:
    Luk 16:13 No servant can serve two masters
    Act 20:19 serving the Lord with all humility of mind,
    Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit,
    Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God;
    Rom 12:11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
    Rom 14:18 For him that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God
    Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ
    Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
    Eph 6:7 With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to me
    Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
    Php 2:22 But ye know the proof of him, that, as a son with the father, he hath serveth with me in the gospel.
    Col 3:24 Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
    1Th 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
    1Ti 6:2 And they that have believing masters, et them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service,

    We know that Hagar is not in service because the two different Greek words used in Galatians 4: 24 - 25 are applied to Jerusalem and Hagar are Bondage and Service { They are completely two totally different Greek words, used in two totally different ways, meanings and in two totally different purposes.
    The Greek word applied to Hagar is used in the following verses.

    Bondage appled to Hagar was = was = G1397 - δουλεία - douleia - doo-li'-ah Slavery - bondage.

    Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
    Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
    Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
    Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

    The Trinitarian translators deleted the concept that the seed of SARAH was in service and the seed of HAGAR was in bondage. - THE MANUSCRIPTS - USE two different Greek words.

    The word Bondage applied to Hagar was = G1397 - δουλεία - douleia - doo-li'-ah Slavery - bondage.

    This is used in the Bible to mean bondage to corruption, death, evil and bondage to sin and destructive things.

    But the word SERVICE applied to Sarah and her seed was = G1398 - δουλεύω - douleuō - dool-yoo'-o

    Meaning, always in the Bible, to be a SERVANT with voluntarily act - to (do) service to God - To serve God, serve one another or to serve your boss or to serve things that are productive and goodly. - - You can look in the Bible and see how these two different Greek words are used and what they mean - and these are two different words that are applied to Sarah and Hagar, yet The Trinitarian translators deleted the concept that the seed of SARAH was in service and the seed of HAGAR was in bondage. - THE MANUSCRIPTS - USE two different Greek words.

    The Trinitarian Translators felt that the seed of SARAH should be in bondage. I believe that this mistranslation in Gal 4:25 really contradicts the entire message that is given in Galatians 3. Because Gal 3 and 4 calls Gentiles to be in service to God through faith in Yahoshua - yet in Gal 4:25 the trinitarian translators insist that the seed of Sarah are a seed that has produced bondage - but this Greek word does not mean bondage. The strongest word that means bondage and total slavery and loss of all control - is applied to Hagar and the word that is applied to Sarah and her seed means to serve with a voluntary act as if You would serve God or your boss or service to something even that is potentially harmful but it is not the same word and used in the same way -

    Yet the translators used the same exact word for both Hagar and Sarah- when the whole New Testament uses this word applied to Sarah to indicate service to God - to love and blessed things and freedom to serve what one freely chooses and not in the sense of being so overtaken in corruption, sin, death, destruction and total loss of free will to be in total bondage and doom. They are two different Greek words and used differently in the Bible.

    Galations is one of the most important books of the New Terstament that explain the mind of the plan of God and how he sees things in the historical view of how we are to be spieirually adopted unto God and a part of Abrahams spiritual seed - through faith and service in Yahoshua
    _ In service his spirit alone, are we free from bondage - in the original Manuscripts.

  4. #154

    Re: Is the Tithe a Bondage?

    Galatians Chapter 3 - is such an important message that is explaining how that gentiles are a part of Abrahams seed - they are asked to be in service to God - by their faith in Yahoshua. Yahoshua is also a descendant from the seed of Abraham and Yahoshua came from the bosom of the father and creator.. - - - The next Chapter in Galatians 4 - it further explains this message, saying that God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law. To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

    Chapter 4 also calls unto those who did not know God and to those who did service unto other gods and those who were in bondage unto things that were not of God. Chapter 4 uses the example of Hagar and her seed in an allegory or symbolic metaphor that is symbolized / compared against the seed of Sarah. Explaining how that the seed of Sarah is presently in service with her spiritual children but the seed of Hagar did not presently exist at the time when Chapter 4 was written and the seed of Hagar is left remaining under the old covenant standards of the law - because the seed of Hagar simply does not exist any longer. In the Bible, the seed of Hagar is shown to have been completely disappeared and removed from the earth - as God prophesied to remove them forever.

    The book of Galatians completely brings out the message of the spiritual plan that God has in store, to adopt and graft in the gentiles into the family of Abraham - to be in SERVICE to God, by faith in Yahoshua. And it does this by comparing the seed of Sarah to the seed of Hagar. Giving an allegory to demonstrate that even though the seed of Hagar was also the seed of Abraham this seed symbolized the difference between the earthly and the spiritual in Gods standard. This is done to further show how important it is that we understand that God's plan in a spiritual plan and not just a fleshly plan.

    This is explained in Gal 4:24* - These things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage :25 saying " For this Hagar represents Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem in a symbolic allegory which Jerusalem " presently exists, and is in SERVICE with her children.

    I noticed that The Roman Catholic and Protestant Translation says that - Jerusalem " presently exists, and is in BONDAGE with her children. And they changed and mistranslated verse 25. - - But - these are two different Greek words ( bondage and service that apply to Hagar and Sarah - the word applied to Sarah in the Manuscripts is the Greek word SERVICE { NOT BONDAGE } and is the same Greek word used in the following verses.

    Service applied to Sarah was = G1398 - δουλεύω - douleuō - dool-yoo'-o

    Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other;
    Luk 15:29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed
    Luk 16:13 No servant can serve two masters:
    Luk 16:13 No servant can serve two masters
    Act 20:19 serving the Lord with all humility of mind,
    Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit,
    Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God;
    Rom 12:11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
    Rom 14:18 For him that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God
    Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ
    Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
    Eph 6:7 With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to me
    Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
    Php 2:22 But ye know the proof of him, that, as a son with the father, he hath serveth with me in the gospel.
    Col 3:24 Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
    1Th 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
    1Ti 6:2 And they that have believing masters, et them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service,

    We know that Hagar is not in service because the two different Greek words used in Galatians 4: 24 - 25 are applied to Jerusalem and Hagar are Bondage and Service { They are completely two totally different Greek words, used in two totally different ways, meanings and in two totally different purposes.
    The Greek word applied to Hagar is used in the following verses.

    Bondage appled to Hagar was = was = G1397 - δουλεία - douleia - doo-li'-ah Slavery - bondage.

    Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
    Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
    Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
    Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

    The Trinitarian translators deleted the concept that the seed of SARAH was in service and the seed of HAGAR was in bondage. - THE MANUSCRIPTS - USE two different Greek words.

    The word Bondage applied to Hagar was = G1397 - δουλεία - douleia - doo-li'-ah Slavery - bondage.

    This is used in the Bible to mean bondage to corruption, death, evil and bondage to sin and destructive things.

    But the word SERVICE applied to Sarah and her seed was = G1398 - δουλεύω - douleuō - dool-yoo'-o

    Meaning, always in the Bible, to be a SERVANT with voluntarily act - to (do) service to God - To serve God, serve one another or to serve your boss or to serve things that are productive and goodly. - - You can look in the Bible and see how these two different Greek words are used and what they mean - and these are two different words that are applied to Sarah and Hagar, yet The Trinitarian translators deleted the concept that the seed of SARAH was in service and the seed of HAGAR was in bondage. - THE MANUSCRIPTS - USE two different Greek words.

    The Trinitarian Translators felt that the seed of SARAH should be in bondage. I believe that this mistranslation in Gal 4:25 really contradicts the entire message that is given in Galatians 3. Because Gal 3 and 4 calls Gentiles to be in service to God through faith in Yahoshua - yet in Gal 4:25 the trinitarian translators insist that the seed of Sarah are a seed that has produced bondage - but this Greek word does not mean bondage. The strongest word that means bondage and total slavery and loss of all control - is applied to Hagar and the word that is applied to Sarah and her seed means to serve with a voluntary act as if You would serve God or your boss or service to something even that is potentially harmful but it is not the same word and used in the same way -

    Yet the translators used the same exact word for both Hagar and Sarah- when the whole New Testament uses this word applied to Sarah to indicate service to God - to love and blessed things and freedom to serve what one freely chooses and not in the sense of being so overtaken in corruption, sin, death, destruction and total loss of free will to be in total bondage and doom. They are two different Greek words and used differently in the Bible.

    Galations is one of the most important books of the New Terstament that explain the mind of the plan of God and how he sees things in the historical view of how we are to be spieirually adopted unto God and a part of Abrahams spiritual seed - through faith and service in Yahoshua _ In service his spirit alone, are we free from bondage - in the original Manuscripts.

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    Re: Is the Tithe a Bondage?

    Quote Originally Posted by GOD WE TRUSTED View Post
    [FONT=Trebuchet MS] Galatians Chapter 3 - is such an important message that is explaining how that gentiles are a part of Abrahams seed - they are asked to be in service to God - by their faith in Yahoshua. Yahoshua is also a descendant from the seed of Abraham and Yahoshua came from the bosom of the father and creator.. - - - The next Chapter in Galatians 4 - it further explains this message, saying that God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law. To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your

    ...The Trinitarian translators deleted the concept that the seed of SARAH was in service and the seed of HAGAR was in bondage. - THE MANUSCRIPTS - USE two different Greek words.

    The word Bondage applied to Hagar was = G1397 - δουλεία - douleia - doo-li'-ah Slavery - bondage.

    This is used in the Bible to mean bondage to corruption, death, evil and bondage to sin and destructive things.

    But the word SERVICE applied to Sarah and her seed was = G1398 - δουλεύω - douleuō - dool-yoo'-o
    Brother, I understand the distinction between service and slavery, and the Greek words indicating this distinction. But it is not necessarily distinguishing between Christians and nonChristians, between those under a law of grace and those under the Law of works.

    And that's because 1 Cor 7 indicates that even though we are freed by grace as Christians, we are still slaves to Christ. In other words, the distinction between service and slavery in Christianity is negligible.

    The only need here is to show that there is a very real difference between those who serve God in the spirit and those who try to serve God in the flesh. The latter is a bondage because it is a law that fails to produce anything for one's own merit. On the other hand, those who serve God in the spirit merit reward.

    This has nothing to do, therefore, with a "Trinitarian conspiracy," nor with a perversion of Scriptures. I do believe there was no other agenda than to communicate, in our language, a truth that was given in a foreign tongue. The word of translation is not an exact science, but it is an effective science. No need to create a conspiracy out of it.

    We should recognize that as Christians we are both servants and slaves to God.

    1 Cor 7.22 ...the one who was free when called is Christ’s slave.

    If you are applying the idea of "Christian service" to the topic of "giving," I fully agree. We are not under a bondage to give, but we are free to give.

    At the same time we are indebted to Christ for the gift of new life, and are obligated to express that new life in the form of charity. How much to give is not to be determined by the Law of Moses, but rather, out of the charitable heart Christ has given us.

    It is most often a free will gift, determined not of compulsion but out of our own kindness. On the other hand, God may require that we give at times. In that case God would have to make it absolutely certain that this is what He is asking.

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    Re: Is the Tithe a Bondage?

    Thanks for responding to me.

    I agree, however - I was showing that the word " bondage " in Gal 4:25 is not the Greek word bondage. Instead, it is the word " Service " applied to Jerusalem. And we can see how this word is used in the rest of the verses - as it applies to the idea of service to God and service with a volentary act... The other Greek word applied to Hagar - trully means bondage - in definition and it is always meaning slavery, bondage and corruption to evil, death and ungodly elements of sin.

    There are two different Greek words used - one for Hagar and another Greek word used for Jerusalem and they are different meanings. The Trinitarian Translators did not express this difference in this verse - however, they did translate it correctly in all of the other verses. Becasuse the two words have two different meanings.


    I am truly sorry for posting twice, this was a total mistake with the server system not responding properly. I hope that the duplicate post can be easily removed.

    I noticed that with the Tithing in the Church, there is no mention of a tithing system in the New Testament Church.

    The Tithing was used for the Levitical Priesthood where the Israelites gave 10 % of all of their grains, crops, and livestock to support the Tribe of Levi. The Levites were in charge of the service of the Temple and this is was their main duty. They care of the Temple, performed sacrifices for the entire remaining tribes of the Israelites. This was an enormous task and a daily job that took every moment of their time in performing this task.

    The Levi Priests were to receive their food and grains and meat by the rest of Israel each giving them a tenth of what they grow and also the livestock animals born.

    the Apostles were giving aid to help and they gave everything they had in a world that was already taking everything they had. The Apostles took no donations and tithes or offerings established in the Church as a system for themselves personally in a system called tithes and offerings BUT they did take money from believers who donated and free geve when they could afford to give it.

    The Old Testament commanded that the Israelites were to be responsible and accountable for their own actions... If the New Testament is commanding to feed the hungry and help the poor then Christians should be giving to help the poor but not giving their money to irresponible people and throwing money away to wastfull people and wasteful church leaders. The New Testament also tells us that we are to be finantualy responsible and work and if there is someone who has suffered a loss beyond their control, then Christians are to help them and restore them concerning what they have lost.

    The Levitical Priesthood where offerings sacrifices and elaborate ornaments, curtains, altars and designs in the temple do not exist in the New Testament Church, the TEMPLE OF GOD is the body of each individual believer. Each believer is able to offer their own prayers and offer their own hearts to God freely at any time. Priests are not needed in the New Testament.

    Therefore the tithing system of giving a tenth of everything you produce in food and meats and grains to be given to a priesthood of religious ministers has no application in The Church. But the NT does ask us to judge concerning giving to the poor and needy individuals and to judge and make finantual contributions and helping assistance to those who are responsible and have suffered loss or whom are poor and needy. The Pastor or Evangelist can also be given finantual help but the need to have a Pastor or Priest spending every moment of his workday offering prayers, sacrifices and building or upkeeping and maintenance for a literal physical temple has no application in the New Testament.

    The Apostles had no Church Building, no Chruch Name, No Denominational Structure and had no building plans to build a Church or Temple. They simply taught that each individual person is a Temple themselves - we offer our own sacrifices of praise with our own lips and ask God for forgivneness directly ourselves. Therefore there is no concept of gathering up a percentage of money or goods to be directed to any specific group, BUILDING or service performed - other than taking care of the poor and needy that exist in our society who are among responsible people who need help. including a needy pastor or Church Elder.

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