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    Re: Revelation 9 7-10 hypothesis

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    Attack helicopters KILL people. These locusts will not.
    Now perhaps you mean they are converted to crowd suppression helicopters...

    However there is also nothing which makes it restricted to Israel, Syria, Iraq.
    These locusts will not kill people for 5 months. During Operation Desert Shield, the helicopters did not need to kill people yet.

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    Re: Revelation 9 7-10 hypothesis

    Quote Originally Posted by greenonions View Post
    These locusts will not kill people for 5 months. During Operation Desert Shield, the helicopters did not need to kill people yet.
    Great point. The 5 months may simply be a delayed death, a slow death.

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    Re: Revelation 9 7-10 hypothesis

    Quote Originally Posted by greenonions View Post
    These locusts will not kill people for 5 months. During Operation Desert Shield, the helicopters did not need to kill people yet.
    They were then not in operation against the people. These locusts actually HARM people.
    Further the sum total they cause an issue is 5 months after that they are no more mentioned.

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    Re: Revelation 9 7-10 hypothesis

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    They were then not in operation against the people. These locusts actually HARM people.
    Further the sum total they cause an issue is 5 months after that they are no more mentioned.
    Revelation 9:10 KJV And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

    The word translated "harm" or "hurt" in Revelation 9:10 is adikesai (G91), which means: to be unjust, i.e. (actively) do wrong (morally, socially or physically). It is not limited to physical violence.

    Matthew 20:13 WEB “But he answered one of them, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong [adiko]. Didn’t you agree with me for a denarius?

    Operation Desert Shield started on Aug. 2, 1990. The UN sanctions against Iraq started on Aug. 6, 1990. That is one way that the nations represented by the helicopters "wronged" or "hurt" the Iraqis without killing them.

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    Re: Revelation 9 7-10 hypothesis

    Quote Originally Posted by greenonions View Post
    Revelation 9:10 KJV And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

    The word translated "harm" or "hurt" in Revelation 9:10 is adikesai (G91), which means: to be unjust, i.e. (actively) do wrong (morally, socially or physically). It is not limited to physical violence.

    Matthew 20:13 WEB “But he answered one of them, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong [adiko]. Didn’t you agree with me for a denarius?

    Operation Desert Shield started on Aug. 2, 1990. The UN sanctions against Iraq started on Aug. 6, 1990. That is one way that the nations represented by the helicopters "wronged" or "hurt" the Iraqis without killing them.
    And? The point is that the locusts could not kill. The helicopters did NOT wrong the Iraqis during the sanctions. The nations may have done, but the point in Revelation is that it is the locusts who are causing the hurt/harm, and not some nations.

    Quote Originally Posted by greenonions View Post
    These locusts will not kill people for 5 months. During Operation Desert Shield, the helicopters did not need to kill people yet.
    They also didn't harm anyone yet either.
    However the purpose of the helicopter is when they are in use they will attack and kill.

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    Hello I'm new here.
    I was looking up the word tail and came up with this verse:
    Isa 9:15
    The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.

    When Jesus was speaking to the disciples about the end times he gave this as the first sign:
    Luk 21:8
    And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
    These then being the false prophets or liars.

    There were stings in the tails which had power to hurt men.
    So I went looking for "Sting"

    1Co 15:56
    The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

    Is it possible then that these scorpions (false prophets) were those which had power over laws which cause sin ?

    And yet we are given hope in which the Lord says:
    Luk 10:19
    Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

    The winds of politics are at the forefront of my mind lately. So in this frame of mind I read this verse as:

    Scorpions = Politicians
    Tails = Legislating Laws
    Stings = Laws that are opposed to God
    5 months = an amount of time we will be prosecuted according to those laws.

    Today's politicians are legislating laws which are opposed to God's laws. And what we see today or what I see today is those whom are doing a lot of wrong walking free. And those who do the right things are being persocuted. For instance the case of the Covington Kids vs. the Black Israelites vs. the banging drum indian. Only the kids were persocuted. Until the Truth came to Light.
    and yet as Peter says:
    Act 5:29
    Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

    Which ties in with the promise of Luke 10:19

    just an observation.

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    Re: Revelation 9 7-10 hypothesis

    Hi Lonewalker, and welcome to Bible Forums.

    I had made a post a long while back (doubt I could find it) about Revelation 9:1-11 and the "prophets/lies/tails" (related to Isaiah 9:15, if I recall), and in the Olivet Discourse (Lk21:8 I believe to be a part of "the beginning of birth PANGS" [during first half of the tribulation period, as I see it]) all within the future, limited time period aka "the [7-yr] tribulation period" leading UP TO His Second coming to the earth, and my conclusion was that it's likely false prophets and their lies, and I did think it related somewhat to the law. I believe the "first woe" ['one woe is past'] (events) [Rev9:12] starts at mid-trib, so that these "five months" would be one of the first set of events to occur within the start of the second half of the 7-yr tribulation period. That's sort of how I see it.

    Glad to hear your thoughts on the matter.

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    Re: Revelation 9 7-10 hypothesis

    Quote Originally Posted by greenonions View Post
    The idea of the centaur is imaginative. God paints interesting pictures.

    Another explanation I've heard is the locusts as US Apache helicopters in the Gulf War. They look kind of like locusts. They have armour and equipment like battle horses. The rotor on top is like a crown (maybe looks like gold if it reflects sunlight). There are faces of men in the cockpit. Apache Indian men had long hair.
    But helicopters don't have hair. And the rotor on top of an Apache helicopter does not "look like gold." And there is no "sting in the tail."

    This sort of thing is just misinterpreting Revelation.

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    Re: Revelation 9 7-10 hypothesis

    Quote Originally Posted by Radagast View Post
    But helicopters don't have hair. And the rotor on top of an Apache helicopter does not "look like gold." And there is no "sting in the tail."

    This sort of thing is just misinterpreting Revelation.
    Definitely there are many unanswered questions regarding the interpretation of the 5th trumpet. I just found the helicopter explanation very interesting, but still don't have it all together. Critiques are helpful and can lead to more ideas. For example, looking at a picture of an Apache helicopter, maybe the rotors are not the crown, but the hair, while the round thing on top of the rotors (Longbow millimeter fire-control radar) is the crown and can be painted yellow in some cases, and the stings could be the propeller blades on the tail.

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    Re: Revelation 9 7-10 hypothesis

    Quote Originally Posted by Trivalee View Post
    According to Rev 13:7 the land of the Beast will not be limited to Israel, Syria and Iraq.
    Sure the beast will have authority across the whole world as per Rev 13:7

    But the location of the locusts uses the word "ge", a word often used for a localised land in the bible:
    Mat 4:15 The land (GE) G1093 of Zabulon, and the land (GE) G1093 of Nephthalim
    Mat 9:26 And the fame hereof went abroad into all that land. (GE) G1093
    Luk 4:25 when great famine was throughout all the land (GE) G1093
    Act 7:3 Get thee out of thy country (GE) G1093 and from thy kindred, and come into the land G1093 which I shall shew thee


    So when Rev 9 describes the affected location as "GE", we cannot be sure it means the whole earth,when that word so often refers to a certain land:
    Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the (GE) G1093 and unto them was given power

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