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    Re: The SBC and s*xual assualt, mol*estation, etc

    This whole thing is a total disgrace. How should the greater One body of believers outside of the SBC handle the SBC? Shouldn't we all get involved? Just to be sure it's handled properly this time?
    As a side note, when I interviewed for membership at my church with a male elder...his wife was present with us. As a woman, that made me very happy.
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    Charles Spurgeon left the Southern Baptist Convention when they partnered with the Roman Catholic church..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jude View Post
    Charles Spurgeon left the *Southern Baptist Convention when they partnered with the Roman Catholic church..
    The Baptist Union*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jude View Post
    Charles Spurgeon left the Southern Baptist Convention when they partnered with the Roman Catholic church..
    So what.

    That has NOTHING to do with Baptist Pastors molesting children Jude. God isn't going to blame the RCC for the sins of a Baptist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jude View Post
    Charles Spurgeon left the Southern Baptist Convention when they partnered with the Roman Catholic church..
    Jude, Spurgeon was never a Southern Baptist. He lived in England and as a member of the Baptist Union - a completely separate organization.

    He broke with them when they introduced ideas that were less and less Calvinistic and more and more putting salvation in man's hands.

    Let's ALL please make sure our facts are straight before we post ….. it's the least we could do for membership reading and the hosts of lurkers who read and even the passersby. Yes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jude View Post
    Charles Spurgeon left the Southern Baptist Convention when they partnered with the Roman Catholic church..
    Jude, Spurgeon was never a Southern Baptist. He lived in England and as a member of the Baptist Union - a completely separate organization.

    He broke with them when they introduced ideas that were less and less Calvinistic and more and more putting salvation in man's hands.

    Let's ALL please make sure our facts are straight before we post .. it's the least we could do for membership reading and the hosts of lurkers who read and even the passersby. Yes?
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    AS a Southern Baptist church member, these things make me sick.

    Southern Baptists churches have autonomy. There is no SBC "ruling Board" that tells SBC churches what to do. I like it this way.

    A part of the problem with churches like this and there are a lot and not just Southern Baptists is that the congregation and membership do not hold their leadership accountable.
    Bear with me as I give a little [small] rant.
    • Some churches are so full of milquetoast members with no initiative or backbone of their own that they allow the "pastor" to completely control everything.
    • They only know the Bible insomuch as whatever the pastor gives and they believe every interpretation he gives.
    • They have no policies of background checks or whether or not the leadership can be alone with women or children.
    • They believe, and this found to some degree in all denominations that the "pastor" is untouchable. And the "pastor" will use Psalm 105:15 to force that false teaching on his membership.


    This kind of abuse has been going on in churches since there gave been churches. For some time the RCC has been under harsh scrutiny and now it's the SBC's turn. It will be another denomination next.

    The point is, we are to respect and revere our leadership, but we are not to act the spineless and ignorant lackey who never questions leadership or to helplessly refuse to hold them accountable.

    In all churches, there should be policies that prevent things like this. There are at my Southern Baptist Church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayne View Post
    Jude, Spurgeon was never a Southern Baptist. He lived in England and as a member of the Baptist Union - a completely separate organization.

    He broke with them when they introduced ideas that were less and less Calvinistic and more and more putting salvation in man's hands.

    Let's ALL please make sure our facts are straight before we post .. it's the least we could do for membership reading and the hosts of lurkers who read and even the passersby. Yes?



    Jude, Spurgeon was never a Southern Baptist. He lived in England and as a member of the Baptist Union - a completely separate organization.

    He broke with them when they introduced ideas that were less and less Calvinistic and more and more putting salvation in man's hands.

    Let's ALL please make sure our facts are straight before we post .. it's the least we could do for membership reading and the hosts of lurkers who read and even the passersby. Yes?
    That's why i changed it Jane but we can't do any editing..

    Sorry about that..
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    Re: The SBC and s*xual assualt, mol*estation, etc

    Quote Originally Posted by jayne View Post
    AS a Southern Baptist church member, these things make me sick.

    Southern Baptists churches have autonomy. There is no SBC "ruling Board" that tells SBC churches what to do. I like it this way.

    A part of the problem with churches like this and there are a lot and not just Southern Baptists is that the congregation and membership do not hold their leadership accountable.
    Bear with me as I give a little [small] rant.
    • Some churches are so full of milquetoast members with no initiative or backbone of their own that they allow the "pastor" to completely control everything.
    • They only know the Bible insomuch as whatever the pastor gives and they believe every interpretation he gives.
    • They have no policies of background checks or whether or not the leadership can be alone with women or children.
    • They believe, and this found to some degree in all denominations that the "pastor" is untouchable. And the "pastor" will use Psalm 105:15 to force that false teaching on his membership.


    This kind of abuse has been going on in churches since there gave been churches. For some time the RCC has been under harsh scrutiny and now it's the SBC's turn. It will be another denomination next.

    The point is, we are to respect and revere our leadership, but we are not to act the spineless and ignorant lackey who never questions leadership or to helplessly refuse to hold them accountable.

    In all churches, there should be policies that prevent things like this. There are at my Southern Baptist Church.
    I agree with you in this Jayne. However, the SBC can and have kicked out churches for various reasons. Autonomy, in this instance, seems to me to be a fig leaf to hide behind. Wait till a SBC votes in a pastor that is actively g*y and see how long it takes for them to be kicked out of the association. Why would we be any different with the situation in this article?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    I agree with you in this Jayne. However, the SBC can and have kicked out churches for various reasons. Autonomy, in this instance, seems to me to be a fig leaf to hide behind. Wait till a SBC votes in a pastor that is actively g*y and see how long it takes for them to be kicked out of the association. Why would we be any different with the situation in this article?
    I'm sure something like that would and should happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    I agree with you in this Jayne. However, the SBC can and have kicked out churches for various reasons. Autonomy, in this instance, seems to me to be a fig leaf to hide behind. Wait till a SBC votes in a pastor that is actively g*y and see how long it takes for them to be kicked out of the association. Why would we be any different with the situation in this article?
    I'm sure something like that would and should happen.
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    Our local Baptist (SBC) association was considering tossing the congregation I was attending so I assume it can be done

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayne View Post
    I'm sure something like that would and should happen.
    It has happened with g*y "pastors". But why is the SBC hiding behind autonomy in this situation? I still relate more to the SBC than most any other denonmination. However, this is one of those situations that seems to me, should have been handled differently.
    Matt 9:13
    13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
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