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    Wanted to put this in Breaking News but it's not current..

    Baptist Pastor Beaten + Tazed By Border Patrol - 11 Stitches

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    Yeah, that was 10 years ago. Also, he was acquitted of all charges against him.
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    Also, that guy is a nut.
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    Re: Baptist Pastor Beaten + Tazed By Border Patrol - 11 Stitches

    This is what happens when people visit websites and post from them half truths with bias, deception and attempts to indoctrinate people who don't bother to fact check what they read.
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    I'm not sure what half truths with bias and deception you're referring to? The agents acted in a manner that violated his constitutional rights and then the officers broke his windows, dragged him out of the car and tazed him twice - then proceeded to lie about what transpired while under oath. Thank God for witnesses.

    I didn't get this from the video posted but I remember the case well from reports from trusted ( by myself anyway ) sites like Fox News and other on air news programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    I'm not sure what half truths with bias and deception you're referring to? The agents acted in a manner that violated his constitutional rights and then the officers broke his windows, dragged him out of the car and tazed him twice - then proceeded to lie about what transpired while under oath. Thank God for witnesses.

    I didn't get this from the video posted but I remember the case well from reports from trusted ( by myself anyway ) sites like Fox News and other on air news programs.
    Do the agents get to address these accusations? How many times when black people who don't cooperate with LE and get beaten are told "you should have obeyed the orders of LE."

    Let's not have double standards just because of a title and the guy is white.

    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    I'm not sure what half truths with bias and deception you're referring to? The agents acted in a manner that violated his constitutional rights and then the officers broke his windows, dragged him out of the car and tazed him twice - then proceeded to lie about what transpired while under oath. Thank God for witnesses.

    I didn't get this from the video posted but I remember the case well from reports from trusted ( by myself anyway ) sites like Fox News and other on air news programs.
    Do the agents get to address these accusations? How many times when black people who don't cooperate with LE and get beaten are told "you should have obeyed the orders of LE."

    Let's not have double standards just because of a title and the guy is white.
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    All I am saying here is that it is presented as some sort of religious persecution, just because "Pastor" is added to the incident. It may or may have not been excessive force - that is what DUE PROCESS is for.

    But had this man had another title, let's say he was a Muslim Cleric....then this You Tube video wouldn't exist from the source it came from.

    That is what I find deceptive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    All I am saying here is that it is presented as some sort of religious persecution, just because "Pastor" is added to the incident. It may or may have not been excessive force - that is what DUE PROCESS is for.
    OH. I didn't even consider that angle. This didn't have anything to to do with him being a pastor at all so on that point I would agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    OH. I didn't even consider that angle. This didn't have anything to to do with him being a pastor at all so on that point I would agree.
    Thank you. I know LE sometimes use excessive force - and they should be held to account. But I don't want that accounting to apply only to white Pastors.

    Everyone has a right to equal protection under the law, and making this a religious persecution event is wrong. I would like to see Christians advocate for their perceived enemies who are abused with the same fervor.

    That is what we should be about. If we aren't 100% transparent and 100% equitable, we profane the Name of the Lord. And because Christian Pastors have been "protected" (now the SBC is being excoriated for protecting pastors who sexually assaulted young men and women) unfairly, our faith is mocked by the world - and rightly so in these matters.

    If we are going to be mocked and ridiculed, let us at least know it is for the Name of Christ, and not hypocrisy.
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    Oh, my STARS!!!! It's "Pastor" Anderson!

    Jude, PLEASE listen. This incident has nothing to do with end times. This man is a false, false teacher and I would not believe anything he says.

    He used to post on another Christian message board a little over a decade ago that I was on and he is the most legalistic and unfaithful teacher/preacher I've ever seen. He used to post a lot of his sermons online and here is some of what he believes and teaches.


    • He believes and preaches [I saw the video of that sermon] that it is a sin for men to urinate sitting down. Because the King James in various places refers to males as those that "pisseth against a wall", he preaches that this is the only way men can urinate.
    • He has an entire online sermon on how Jesus did not wear a flowing robe down to the ground because "that's a dress". He uses the Levitical idea of "breeches" for priests in Exodus to claim that Jesus Christ wore pants just like modern day pants down to the ground.
    • He teaches that women should never see a male doctor of any kind - especially a gynecologist. He teaches they would both be in sin.
    • He frequently uses the words queers, dikes, and faggots in attacking people, other churches, and politicians and he uses [screams] these words from his pulpit and says that if you don't like it - find another church. He directly teaches a hatred of gay people. He says we are to hate them.
    • He has an online sermon about a homeless man slept at his church door one night. He laughed about and mocked him saying that there is NO poverty in the America and that the problem is people won't work and therefore they shouldn't eat. He says that food banks in his town are throwing food in the trash because there is no poverty. He never once expressed compassion for that man.
    • There's a lot more to prove his false teachings and grotesque hate of people, but I'll stop here.


    He is a hater of Jews, gay people, other denominations, any Bible except the King James, and anyone who disagrees with him.

    And his "church" is growing by leaps and bounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayne View Post
    Oh, my STARS!!!! It's "Pastor" Anderson!

    Jude, PLEASE listen. This incident has nothing to do with end times. This man is a false, false teacher and I would not believe anything he says.

    He used to post on another Christian message board a little over a decade ago that I was on and he is the most legalistic and unfaithful teacher/preacher I've ever seen. He used to post a lot of his sermons online and here is some of what he believes and teaches.


    • He believes and preaches [I saw the video of that sermon] that it is a sin for men to urinate sitting down. Because the King James in various places refers to males as those that "pisseth against a wall", he preaches that this is the only way men can urinate.
    • He has an entire online sermon on how Jesus did not wear a flowing robe down to the ground because "that's a dress". He uses the Levitical idea of "breeches" for priests in Exodus to claim that Jesus Christ wore pants just like modern day pants down to the ground.
    • He teaches that women should never see a male doctor of any kind - especially a gynecologist. He teaches they would both be in sin.
    • He frequently uses the words queers, dikes, and faggots in attacking people, other churches, and politicians and he uses [screams] these words from his pulpit and says that if you don't like it - find another church. He directly teaches a hatred of gay people. He says we are to hate them.
    • He has an online sermon about a homeless man slept at his church door one night. He laughed about and mocked him saying that there is NO poverty in the America and that the problem is people won't work and therefore they shouldn't eat. He says that food banks in his town are throwing food in the trash because there is no poverty. He never once expressed compassion for that man.
    • There's a lot more to prove his false teachings and grotesque hate of people, but I'll stop here.


    He is a hater of Jews, gay people, other denominations, any Bible except the King James, and anyone who disagrees with him.

    And his "church" is growing by leaps and bounds.
    I'd never heard of this guy until today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayne View Post
    Oh, my STARS!!!! It's "Pastor" Anderson!

    Jude, PLEASE listen. This incident has nothing to do with end times. This man is a false, false teacher and I would not believe anything he says.

    He used to post on another Christian message board a little over a decade ago that I was on and he is the most legalistic and unfaithful teacher/preacher I've ever seen. He used to post a lot of his sermons online and here is some of what he believes and teaches.


    • He believes and preaches [I saw the video of that sermon] that it is a sin for men to urinate sitting down. Because the King James in various places refers to males as those that "pisseth against a wall", he preaches that this is the only way men can urinate.
    • He has an entire online sermon on how Jesus did not wear a flowing robe down to the ground because "that's a dress". He uses the Levitical idea of "breeches" for priests in Exodus to claim that Jesus Christ wore pants just like modern day pants down to the ground.
    • He teaches that women should never see a male doctor of any kind - especially a gynecologist. He teaches they would both be in sin.
    • He frequently uses the words queers, dikes, and faggots in attacking people, other churches, and politicians and he uses [screams] these words from his pulpit and says that if you don't like it - find another church. He directly teaches a hatred of gay people. He says we are to hate them.
    • He has an online sermon about a homeless man slept at his church door one night. He laughed about and mocked him saying that there is NO poverty in the America and that the problem is people won't work and therefore they shouldn't eat. He says that food banks in his town are throwing food in the trash because there is no poverty. He never once expressed compassion for that man.
    • There's a lot more to prove his false teachings and grotesque hate of people, but I'll stop here.


    He is a hater of Jews, gay people, other denominations, any Bible except the King James, and anyone who disagrees with him.

    And his "church" is growing by leaps and bounds.
    Wow. This sounds like a cult.

    Why does it not surprise me that he is KJVO?
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    Re: Baptist Pastor Beaten + Tazed By Border Patrol - 11 Stitches

    Quote Originally Posted by jayne View Post
    Oh, my STARS!!!! It's "Pastor" Anderson!

    Jude, PLEASE listen. This incident has nothing to do with end times. This man is a false, false teacher and I would not believe anything he says.

    He used to post on another Christian message board a little over a decade ago that I was on and he is the most legalistic and unfaithful teacher/preacher I've ever seen. He used to post a lot of his sermons online and here is some of what he believes and teaches.


    • He believes and preaches [I saw the video of that sermon] that it is a sin for men to urinate sitting down. Because the King James in various places refers to males as those that "pisseth against a wall", he preaches that this is the only way men can urinate.
    • He has an entire online sermon on how Jesus did not wear a flowing robe down to the ground because "that's a dress". He uses the Levitical idea of "breeches" for priests in Exodus to claim that Jesus Christ wore pants just like modern day pants down to the ground.
    • He teaches that women should never see a male doctor of any kind - especially a gynecologist. He teaches they would both be in sin.
    • He frequently uses the words queers, dikes, and faggots in attacking people, other churches, and politicians and he uses [screams] these words from his pulpit and says that if you don't like it - find another church. He directly teaches a hatred of gay people. He says we are to hate them.
    • He has an online sermon about a homeless man slept at his church door one night. He laughed about and mocked him saying that there is NO poverty in the America and that the problem is people won't work and therefore they shouldn't eat. He says that food banks in his town are throwing food in the trash because there is no poverty. He never once expressed compassion for that man.
    • There's a lot more to prove his false teachings and grotesque hate of people, but I'll stop here.


    He is a hater of Jews, gay people, other denominations, any Bible except the King James, and anyone who disagrees with him.

    And his "church" is growing by leaps and bounds.
    I almost didn't reply to this... but it was so good, I think I will now.

    This kind of legalism is not healthy in any way, shape or form. I grew up under legalism in church and it almost sent me to hell! It wasn't as bad as this one, but it was bad enough that I was not very fond of God. Thank you for taking time to type out this post. It was very important.
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    This is real interesting and it is vital that we do not fall into the snare of these legalist preachers. I really question the honesty of this man regarding the OP's reporting of the incident.

    I also seriously question whether his attitude/actions/response with LE has anything to do with his faith.

    We only glorify God if persecution is for His sake and His righteousness.

    If I get the my rear end kicked for being a rear end, that's not glorifying to God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    Do the agents get to address these accusations? How many times when black people who don't cooperate with LE and get beaten are told "you should have obeyed the orders of LE."

    Let's not have double standards just because of a title and the guy is white.



    Do the agents get to address these accusations? How many times when black people who don't cooperate with LE and get beaten are told "you should have obeyed the orders of LE."

    Let's not have double standards just because of a title and the guy is white.
    keck, I love you bro but you're barking up the wrong tree here. Look it up. The judge went with Supreme Court decisions about what is and what isn't constitutional at these checkpoints and the officers actually did break out his windows, taze him twice.

    Then they lied about it under oath according to witnesses at the scene.

    I'm always on the side of L.E. unless or until it's proven that they did wrong. In this case it was proven that they did wrong.
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