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    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
    Okay, what should conservative messaging look like in order to persuade millennials/gen-z's that the issues that concern them are not issues but a cultural shift and that conservatism is actually better?
    I don't think anything can be done. People's values are their values. As Slug so aptly noted, above, this is how this generation works. The millennials are going to have to be utterly crushed by socialism before they reject it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    I don't think anything can be done. People's values are their values. As Slug so aptly noted, above, this is how this generation works. The millennials are going to have to be utterly crushed by socialism before they reject it...
    Perhaps not, but you suggested that "Conservatives have been terrible at messaging since Reagan", And I wondered what messaging would not have been terrible, or what messaging Reagan put forth that if continued would improve conservative messaging and/or indicates/educates millennials/gen-z's on how their issues are not issues but a cultural shift that is (presumably) worse than conservative culture. IOW what does the quality of conservative messaging have to do with your post, and what is high quality conservative messaging?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    I don't think anything can be done. People's values are their values. As Slug so aptly noted, above, this is how this generation works. The millennials are going to have to be utterly crushed by socialism before they reject it...
    Unfortunately you are correct.

    It’s almost like reading Judges but in real time....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    I don't think anything can be done. People's values are their values. As Slug so aptly noted, above, this is how this generation works. The millennials are going to have to be utterly crushed by socialism before they reject it...
    I agree completely. It's sad because my children and grandchildren will suffer unless Christ returns first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
    IOW what does the quality of conservative messaging have to do with your post, and what is high quality conservative messaging?
    Interjecting just to say I think conservative messaging needs to adapt to today's generation, not just repeat old mantras. I don't mean adapt in values, but in the tools to help us achieve our goals. For example:

    How is the conservative approach better for improving the environment, providing education, and reducing inequality? Why is socialism inferior to capitalism in solving these issues, given the current practice of wealth hoarding?

    Perhaps the main problem with messaging is that Boom/X's simply have different goals than Mils/Z's, and that's why the messaging is ineffective. One of DemSoc's advantage is that they are the only ones sympathizing with these concerns, as opposed to stigmatizing them as "conspiracies" or "unimportant" or "lazy." It's a mirror of the past few years where legitimate rust-belt concerns were dismissed by everyone, meanwhile Trump's far-right protectionism capitalized on that void. Conservatives are losing the ideological battle I think due to that same pride and dismissiveness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviyah View Post
    Interjecting just to say I think conservative messaging needs to adapt to today's generation, not just repeat old mantras. I don't mean adapt in values, but in the tools to help us achieve our goals. For example:

    How is the conservative approach better for improving the environment, providing education, and reducing inequality? Why is socialism inferior to capitalism in solving these issues, given the current practice of wealth hoarding?

    Perhaps the main problem with messaging is that Boom/X's simply have different goals than Mils/Z's, and that's why the messaging is ineffective. One of DemSoc's advantage is that they are the only ones sympathizing with these concerns, as opposed to stigmatizing them as "conspiracies" or "unimportant" or "lazy." It's a mirror of the past few years where legitimate rust-belt concerns were dismissed by everyone, meanwhile Trump's far-right protectionism capitalized on that void. Conservatives are losing the ideological battle I think due to that same pride and dismissiveness.
    I think it's much deeper than just having different goals. I believe that it's the means of which someone can achieve their goals. Socialists and in particular , Mill socialists do not believe in self sufficiency and achieving one's goals on their own merits. The core of their belief is that everyone should not only have equal rights ( which we all should believe ) but that all should be equal in every way. That's bull.

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    The scriptures foretold of these things coming to pass and as Paul Washer stated some four years ago the net was closing slowly around us..

    After Signing One-World Religion Covenant, Pope Francis Makes His Next Push

    Wednesday February 20th, 2019


    Just days after the pope signed the most important interfaith document in history; he had the opportunity to address global political leaders by video at the World Government Summit in Dubai. During his remarks he once again stressed the need for global unity, and he encouraged those attending to embrace “sustainable development,” but he also stressed that sustainable development will never succeed without “solidarity.”

    Of course most Americans don’t even know that a “World Government Summit” even exists because the mainstream media in the U.S. doesn’t really talk about it, but it is actually a very big deal. And obviously the pope feels very strongly about what they are trying to do, because he took time out of his very busy schedule to record a video message for them:

    “World leaders are currently meeting at the World Government Summit, taking place in Dubai from 10-12 February. In his video message, Pope Francis greets those participating in the summit, and recalls his own visit to the United Arab Emirates earlier this month. ‘I encountered a modern country which is looking to the future without forgetting its roots,’ he said. ‘I also saw how even in the desert the flowers spring up and grow. I returned home with the hope that many deserts in the world can bloom like this.’

    Our Comment:
    The Bible predicts global religious unity. The only entity that can achieve it would be the pope and the Vatican. Those who object to the ecumenical direction will be marginalized and eventually treated as extremists.

    Prophetic Link:
    “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” Revelation 13:8.

    https://ktfnews.com/signing-one-worl...kes-next-push/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviyah View Post
    Interjecting just to say I think conservative messaging needs to adapt to today's generation, not just repeat old mantras. I don't mean adapt in values, but in the tools to help us achieve our goals. For example:

    How is the conservative approach better for improving the environment, providing education, and reducing inequality? Why is socialism inferior to capitalism in solving these issues, given the current practice of wealth hoarding?

    Perhaps the main problem with messaging is that Boom/X's simply have different goals than Mils/Z's, and that's why the messaging is ineffective. One of DemSoc's advantage is that they are the only ones sympathizing with these concerns, as opposed to stigmatizing them as "conspiracies" or "unimportant" or "lazy." It's a mirror of the past few years where legitimate rust-belt concerns were dismissed by everyone, meanwhile Trump's far-right protectionism capitalized on that void. Conservatives are losing the ideological battle I think due to that same pride and dismissiveness.

    Yeah, I think something more or less along these lines too. There seems to be a real lack of interest in even acknowledging concerns as even actuallly existing. I remember liberal messaging about investing in new technologies and retraining for the new economy in order to address some of the rust belt concerns, but that took a back seat to social justice and healthcare in practice it seems (oversimplification). I think the anger at this lack of prioritization is feeding all kinds of ridiculous behavior now, we’re sort of all punishing each other for not taking each other seriously..something like that, everything I can say about anything is starting to feel like a hopeless attempt to add a layer of sense over underlying nonsense.
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    Personal responsibility is not an “old mantra.” It’s a Biblical mandate.

    I can understand the lost having a marriage to immorality and depravity but Christians should know better

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    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
    I think the anger at this lack of prioritization is feeding all kinds of ridiculous behavior now, we’re sort of all punishing each other for not taking each other seriously..something like that, everything I can say about anything is starting to feel like a hopeless attempt to add a layer of sense over underlying nonsense.
    I really like the way you worded this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jude View Post
    The scriptures foretold of these things coming to pass and as Paul Washer stated some four years ago the net was closing slowly around us..

    After Signing One-World Religion Covenant, Pope Francis Makes His Next Push

    Wednesday February 20th, 2019


    Just days after the pope signed the most important interfaith document in history; he had the opportunity to address global political leaders by video at the World Government Summit in Dubai. During his remarks he once again stressed the need for global unity, and he encouraged those attending to embrace “sustainable development,” but he also stressed that sustainable development will never succeed without “solidarity.”

    Of course most Americans don’t even know that a “World Government Summit” even exists because the mainstream media in the U.S. doesn’t really talk about it, but it is actually a very big deal. And obviously the pope feels very strongly about what they are trying to do, because he took time out of his very busy schedule to record a video message for them:

    “World leaders are currently meeting at the World Government Summit, taking place in Dubai from 10-12 February. In his video message, Pope Francis greets those participating in the summit, and recalls his own visit to the United Arab Emirates earlier this month. ‘I encountered a modern country which is looking to the future without forgetting its roots,’ he said. ‘I also saw how even in the desert the flowers spring up and grow. I returned home with the hope that many deserts in the world can bloom like this.’

    Our Comment:
    The Bible predicts global religious unity. The only entity that can achieve it would be the pope and the Vatican. Those who object to the ecumenical direction will be marginalized and eventually treated as extremists.

    Prophetic Link:
    “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” Revelation 13:8.

    https://ktfnews.com/signing-one-worl...kes-next-push/
    How does this even remotely relate to the OP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviyah View Post
    I think the trend towards socialism has different causes than on moral issues. Socialist messaging works because we are seeing the abuse of capitalism in the form of wealth hoarding and inequality with our own eyes.
    What do you mean by "wealth hording" and "inequality"? There's nothing sinful about being wealthy. And why does it matter if someone is a billionaire or not?

    As for capitalism, we don't have that today. We have oligarchy and monopoly.

    It's ineffective to respond with, "It was better in the old days, trust me, the system works!" Meanwhile Jane and Joe can't bankrupt out of student debt after a mass layoff, whilst CEO takes a $15M bonus.
    Thank your government for not allowing bankruptcy. As for the CEO making a 15M bonus, what's wrong with that?

    Difficult argument to have on economic. On morality though it's a mixed bag - Mils/Z's are actually more conservative than our parents on issues like abortion but less so on sexual orientation. The future of America IMO is further right on personal freedoms but further left on fiscal freedom.
    We definitely need revival for sure.

    This is an interesting thought, I'll have to chew on it. My first inclination is that our skepticism is directed more towards corporations than the government. Whereas boomers were jaded from witnessing horrible gov't practices, we (general) are jaded by witnessing horrible business practices. The negative emotions you feel when seeing the phrase "big government" is the same reaction we have to "large corporations" or "monopolies." Just thinking out-loud!
    It is WAY past time for government to enforce our anti-trust laws. Large corporations are big because of bad government.

    BTW, just to state again, monopoly and ologarchy are not capitalism IMO. Socialism is much closer to corporatism than capitalism. (i.e. a big organization running things rather than competition being encouraged whether that big organization is a company or government the results can be very similar.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
    Some of you raise some really valid issues that concern Bernie supporters, How do conservatives want to address those issues?
    The answer is the same as it has always been... we need revival.
    Matt 9:13
    13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
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    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    You may not accept my own views, because they're specifically Christian. My daughter is a millennial. I understand her generation against the backdrop of my own generation, the Baby boomers. My generation was an extremely skeptical generation, distrustful of those in power due to the Vietnam War. There was a decided turn towards Hedonism, and the denial of Faith in God.

    So my generation raised the Millennials with the perspective of religious morality being purely relative and pragmatic. That's how various moral issues arose in a formerly conservative society: issues like equality among religions, equality between genders, transgenderism, homosexuality, abortion, and euthanasia.

    The bottom line is, for many Millennials, pragmatism replaces religious dogmatism. If various religious viewpoints are going to be tolerated without fighting, religious dogmatism must be replaced with toleration. They then were left with the formula: replace conservatism and capitalism with socialism. Failure to find solutions for universal health care was blamed on conservative political leadership and on wealthy capitalists who thrive under a conservative agenda.

    Bernie plays upon the natural skepticism we bred into our children, offering himself as a better kind of leadership destroying the power base of these conservative Republicans and companies that benefit from conservative philosophy. But as the campaign progresses, the Millennials must ask themselves, How can we trust Bernie any more than a former generation trusted Richard Nixon or Lyndon Johnson? And if we give our power and control over to Bernie, how can we ever get our power back and hold him accountable?
    This is actually a good write up.

    I’ve noticed that many M’s and Z’s operate strictly on emotion or peer pressure. I’m not sure that is pragmatic. My son is a Z, but, being autistic, he doesn’t blur moral lines or consider them in relativist terms. Although he was subjected to liberal indoctrination, he has an uncanny ability to filter it out and rarely comments on it. If you ask him if abortion is murder, he’ll look at you like you just asked him if shooting someone at random in the street is murder. Same with other moral standards that the Bible informs us are universal but neutralized and celebrated by depravity.

    But I don’t know why we are surprised that people who reject God or are agnostic to God have depraved minds.
    Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    This is actually a good write up.

    I’ve noticed that many M’s and Z’s operate strictly on emotion or peer pressure. I’m not sure that is pragmatic. My son is a Z, but, being autistic, he doesn’t blur moral lines or consider them in relativist terms. Although he was subjected to liberal indoctrination, he has an uncanny ability to filter it out and rarely comments on it. If you ask him if abortion is murder, he’ll look at you like you just asked him if shooting someone at random in the street is murder. Same with other moral standards that the Bible informs us are universal but neutralized and celebrated by depravity.

    But I don’t know why we are surprised that people who reject God or are agnostic to God have depraved minds.
    At the root, is humanism... It's the tempation of Adam and Eve at the tree of knowledge all over again. It always has been. That's why your post on Judges was spot on too. "Every man doing what is right in his own eyes."
    Matt 9:13
    13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
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