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    Re: Thanks to the SSM ruling, your mother, sister or wife can be drafted

    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
    I Couldn't really say, perhaps overall gun ownership would be lower, which would reduce access, which may well be the largest contributing factor in gun violence ...so maybe.
    Reduced access for law abiding citizens, or reduced access for criminals?

    How many hunters, sport shooters, or collectors do you know who use their firearms for violence compared to criminals who use their "guns" for violence? Lets not sound like some Democrat/liberal with an agenda against gun violence and the only means of action, is to punish the law abiding citizen.

    That would be like, say... a student who receives a scholarship, uses the money for personal needs instead of schooling and has to drop out of school because they can't pass. As more and more students do this, the FIX is to limit or TAKE away scholarships to ALL the millions of students who are PROPERLY using the money for school??

    The solution isn't about the money, just as the solution to gun violence isn't about "guns." It's all about the abusive or criminal USE of the money or the guns! For my example, taking away the scholarships will not solve the problem of WRONG use of the money, just as taking away guns will not solve the problem of WRONG use of guns.

    Please... lets not sound like some Democrat/liberal with an agenda

    Solve the problem where the problem is at...
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    Re: Thanks to the SSM ruling, your mother, sister or wife can be drafted

    Quote Originally Posted by Slug1 View Post
    Reduced access for law abiding citizens, or reduced access for criminals?

    How many hunters, sport shooters, or collectors do you know who use their firearms for violence compared to criminals who use their "guns" for violence? Lets not sound like some Democrat/liberal with an agenda against gun violence and the only means of action, is to punish the law abiding citizen.

    That would be like, say... a student who receives a scholarship, uses the money for personal needs instead of schooling and has to drop out of school because they can't pass. As more and more students do this, the FIX is to limit or TAKE awubay scholarships to ALL the millions of students who are PROPERLY using the money for school??

    The solution isn't about the money, just as the solution to gun violence isn't about "guns." It's all about the abusive or criminal USE of the money or the guns! For my example, taking away the scholarships will not solve the problem of WRONG use of the money, just as taking away guns will not solve the problem of WRONG use of guns.

    Please... lets not sound like some Democrat/liberal with an agenda

    Solve the problem where the problem is at...
    Agreed. Gun control liberals advocate is like grade school tactic that punishes everyone for the bad choices of a few

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    Re: Thanks to the SSM ruling, your mother, sister or wife can be drafted

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    It's a little different in Israel where her neighbors are perpetual existential threats to Israel.

    I'm not say that they are not defending their homeland, but there is a huge difference in defending your homeland within your borders. You lose that and you lose everything.
    yeah, I see what you are saying, I guess I mean that this difference wouldn't compel me to reject the idea that a woman could not rightfully and correctly feel and claim to be defending her country even if the threat is geographically proximate or ideologically genocidal. What I mean is that while Israel is uniquely vulnerable to attacks within their physical borders the distinction doesn't incline me to consider one as less justifiably "defense". its a difference without a distinction in this moral & ethical context imo.

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    Even that is complicated. France cowardly forced us to take sides in Vietnam by threatening to side with the Soviets if we didn't. We had military advisors in the North actually helping the Viet Minh overcome colonialist infiltration, as it was national policy after WWII to end colonialism.
    you say forced us, do you mean that the consequences were existentially consequential for us...weird sentence i know lol.

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    The communist narrative was an attempt to hide the truth.
    please tell me more.


    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    I've never seen a gun do violence, so that phrase is an oxymoron to me.
    that access to guns are quite possibly one of the largest contributing factors in gun violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    I disagree it would reduce access. I don't believe there is any data to support that it would. Restricting rights based on a theory is oppression.
    Well 39% of men claim to own a gun as opposed to 22% of women, if those men had their guns rights taken away that would arguably reduce the amount of owned guns.(source) but I mean i'm not proposing actually restricting gun ownership to women, I was just sort of discussing the thing you said.
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    Re: Thanks to the SSM ruling, your mother, sister or wife can be drafted

    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
    yeah, I see what you are saying, I guess I mean that this difference wouldn't compel me to reject the idea that a woman could not rightfully and correctly feel and claim to be defending her country even if the threat is geographically proximate or ideologically genocidal. What I mean is that while Israel is uniquely vulnerable to attacks within their physical borders the distinction doesn't incline me to consider one as less justifiably "defense". its a difference without a distinction in this moral & ethical context imo.
    Ok


    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
    you say forced us, do you mean that the consequences were existentially consequential for us...weird sentence i know lol.


    please tell me more.
    I canít get into the minds of the policy makers back then, but a possible Soviet presence in France would have created another border to protect and viewed as an existential threat to the integrity and defensibility of NATO.


    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post

    that access to guns are quite possibly one of the largest contributing factors in gun violence?
    Access to voting booths are a large contributor to voter fraud. Whatís your point ?

    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
    Well 39% of men claim to own a gun as opposed to 22% of women, if those men had their guns rights taken away that would arguably reduce the amount of owned guns.(source) but I mean i'm not proposing actually restricting gun ownership to women, I was just sort of discussing the thing you said.
    It wasnít meant to be statistical. It was a snarky commentary about males and violence.

    Furthermore I donít personify guns. If you have one gun or 10,000 guns the odds that one of them is going to get up, walk down the street and shoot someone is exactly zero.

    Many people own a large cache of firearms and never commit a crime.

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    Re: Thanks to the SSM ruling, your mother, sister or wife can be drafted

    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
    yeah, I see what you are saying, I guess I mean that this difference wouldn't compel me to reject the idea that a woman could not rightfully and correctly feel and claim to be defending her country even if the threat is geographically proximate or ideologically genocidal. What I mean is that while Israel is uniquely vulnerable to attacks within their physical borders the distinction doesn't incline me to consider one as less justifiably "defense". its a difference without a distinction in this moral & ethical context imo.
    Ok


    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
    you say forced us, do you mean that the consequences were existentially consequential for us...weird sentence i know lol.


    please tell me more.
    I canít get into the minds of the policy makers back then, but a possible Soviet presence in France would have created another border to protect and viewed as an existential threat to the integrity and defensibility of NATO.


    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post

    that access to guns are quite possibly one of the largest contributing factors in gun violence?
    Access to voting booths are a large contributor to voter fraud. Whatís your point ?

    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
    Well 39% of men claim to own a gun as opposed to 22% of women, if those men had their guns rights taken away that would arguably reduce the amount of owned guns.(source) but I mean i'm not proposing actually restricting gun ownership to women, I was just sort of discussing the thing you said.
    It wasnít meant to be statistical. It was a snarky commentary about males and violence.

    Furthermore I donít personify guns. If you have one gun or 10,000 guns the odds that one of them is going to get up, walk down the street and shoot someone is exactly zero.

    Many people own a large cache of firearms and never commit a crime.

    Liberals have made life so cheap and disposable by murdering 2500 babies per day, the value of life is perceived as very low these days. Maybe thatís something you might want to consider

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    Re: Thanks to the SSM ruling, your mother, sister or wife can be drafted

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    Outside of the pattern that war was exclusively fought by men, we have some Scriptures that might help:

    Numbers 1:

    1 The LORD spoke to Moses in the tent of meeting in the Desert of Sinai on the first day of the second month of the second year after the Israelites came out of Egypt. He said: 2 ďTake a census of the whole Israelite community by their clans and families, listing every man by name, one by one. 3 You and Aaron are to count according to their divisions all the men in Israel who are twenty years old or more and able to serve in the army.

    This is the pattern that Joshua held to:

    Joshua 1:
    14 Your wives, your children and your livestock may stay in the land that Moses gave you east of the Jordan, but all your fighting men, ready for battle, must cross over ahead of your fellow Israelites. You are to help them 15 until the Lord gives them rest, as he has done for you, and until they too have taken possession of the land the Lord your God is giving them

    If we jump ahead to the narrative of Devorah in Judges, note that Devorah did not wield a sword. Although I thought the tent peg thing was an interesting way to dispatch someone....but that was a one off and not really battle.
    Hmm I guess these verses donít strike me as they strike you...well I guess actually I donít actually know exactly how they strike you, do you consider these to be prohibitions to women in combat or something more subtle than that? Either way I donít quite get it but Iíd really like to understand
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    Re: Thanks to the SSM ruling, your mother, sister or wife can be drafted

    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
    Hmm I guess these verses donít strike me as they strike you...well I guess actually I donít actually know exactly how they strike you, do you consider these to be prohibitions to women in combat or something more subtle than that? Either way I donít quite get it but Iíd really like to understand
    They donít ďstrikeĒ me at all. When God says ďmenĒ He means ďmen.Ē When He says ďwomen,Ē He means ďwomen.Ē

    There are laws that canít apply to men and laws that canít apply to women, but God figures we have the basic intellect to know the difference.

    No guesswork necessary.

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    Re: Thanks to the SSM ruling, your mother, sister or wife can be drafted

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    They don’t “strike” me at all. When God says “men” He means “men.” When He says “women,” He means “women.”

    There are laws that can’t apply to men and laws that can’t apply to women, but God figures we have the basic intellect to know the difference.

    No guesswork necessary.
    okay let me as this way, how does this apply to women and combat?
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    Re: Thanks to the SSM ruling, your mother, sister or wife can be drafted

    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
    okay let me as this way, how does this apply to women and combat?
    You asked about Biblical gender roles. I answered. If you reject the Bible as truth, just say so and get it over with so I donít have to address you assuming you are who you claim to be

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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    You asked about Biblical gender roles. I answered. If you reject the Bible as truth, just say so and get it over with so I don’t have to address you assuming you are who you claim to be
    My east words were “Oh shoot, I got sidetracked,Keck I’m still not clear about what relationship you were drawing between biblical gender roles and women being eligible for the draft?”


    Asked you about biblical gender roles in relationship to the draft, you posted some verses and I was trying not to assume that you meant that this was or wasn’t to be taken as a biblical prohibition on women in a draft or in combat more generally. It wasn’t about accepting or rejecting anything I was just trying to understand what you are saying those verses i require women to do.

    You can address me however you like Keck, man up and show some courage and just say what you want to say instead of intimating a taking passive aggressive swipes.
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    Re: Thanks to the SSM ruling, your mother, sister or wife can be drafted

    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
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    My east words were ďOh shoot, I got sidetracked,Keck Iím still not clear about what relationship you were drawing between biblical gender roles and women being eligible for the draft?Ē


    Asked you about biblical gender roles in relationship to the draft, you posted some verses and I was trying not to assume that you meant that this was or wasnít to be taken as a biblical prohibition on women in a draft or in combat more generally. It wasnít about accepting or rejecting anything I was just trying to understand what you are saying those verses i require women to do.

    You can address me however you like Keck, man up and show some courage and just say what you want to say instead of intimating a taking passive aggressive swipes.
    God doesnít have His people conscript women in the Bible. That means something. I follow His ways. I stated the Biblical facts about it. You failed to produce any Scripture to refute it. If you donít accept the Biblical narrative or desire to abide in God thatís your gig. I donít care. Just have the courage to say so - That was all I asked of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    You asked about Biblical gender roles. I answered. If you reject the Bible as truth, just say so and get it over with so I don’t have to address you assuming you are who you claim to be
    Serious question Keck
    In all the time I’ve been here , through everything I’ve said or ways I’ve offended challenged or disrespected you, through all of the suspicions of my motives , my agenda, my purpose and desires; For all of my repugnant veiws, irritating lines of questioning, immaturity and whatever else real or imagined torments I’ve put you though, do you feel I’ve weakened you somehow, or worsened your relationship with Christ or caused you to stumble in your walk or blinded you to God’s will or his glory, have I kept you from being blessed or blessing others, or kept you from being an emissary of Christ or somehow lessened your ability to receive or show the love of Jesus Christ, have I emperiled your salvation?
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    Re: Thanks to the SSM ruling, your mother, sister or wife can be drafted

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    God doesn’t have His people conscript women in the Bible. That means something. I follow His ways. I stated the Biblical facts about it. You failed to produce any Scripture to refute it. If you don’t accept the Biblical narrative or desire to abide in God that’s your gig. I don’t care. Just have the courage to say so - That was all I asked of you.

    Well I wrote what I wrote below before I saw this, but All I can say to this is that I was never trying to or intending to refute you. Anyway if your answer is yes to any of that stuff I wrote I’ll leave.
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    Re: Thanks to the SSM ruling, your mother, sister or wife can be drafted

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    God doesn’t have His people conscript women in the Bible. That means something. I follow His ways. I stated the Biblical facts about it. You failed to produce any Scripture to refute it. If you don’t accept the Biblical narrative or desire to abide in God that’s your gig. I don’t care. Just have the courage to say so - That was all I asked of you.
    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
    okay let me as this way, how does this apply to women and combat?
    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
    Well I wrote what I wrote below before I saw this, but All I can say to this is that I was never trying to or intending to refute you. Anyway if your answer is yes to any of that stuff I wrote I’ll leave.
    The OP is about conscription of women. As Keck pointed out, God doesn't do that. Neither should we. As was stated by many, early in the thread, women can and do serve admirably in our military. But that is something entirely different than being drafted/conscripted.
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    Re: Thanks to the SSM ruling, your mother, sister or wife can be drafted

    Quote Originally Posted by BraveUlysesses View Post
    Serious question Keck
    In all the time Iíve been here , through everything Iíve said or ways Iíve offended challenged or disrespected you, through all of the suspicions of my motives , my agenda, my purpose and desires; For all of my repugnant veiws, irritating lines of questioning, immaturity and whatever else real or imagined torments Iíve put you though, do you feel Iíve weakened you somehow, or worsened your relationship with Christ or caused you to stumble in your walk or blinded you to Godís will or his glory, have I kept you from being blessed or blessing others, or kept you from being an emissary of Christ or somehow lessened your ability to receive or show the love of Jesus Christ, have I emperiled your salvation?
    This has no relevance

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