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    Man Receives Under-Skin Chip Implant Live At Mobile Show

    Man Receives Under-Skin Chip Implant Live At Mobile Show..

    BARCELONA (Reuters) - A man volunteered to have a chip inserted under his skin live on stage at a trade fair in Barcelona on Monday, and another man who had already undergone the procedure showed off how he could make a payment with it using his smartphone.

    Edgar Pons said he decided to have the radio frequency identification (RFID) chip implanted because it contained credentials to open the door to his house.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKCN1QE29T

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    Re: Man Receives Under-Skin Chip Implant Live At Mobile Show

    Obviously ............
    "He's wild, you know. Not like a tame lion."
    C.S. Lewis, "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe."

    "Oh, but sometimes the sun stays hidden for years"
    "Sometimes the sky rains night after night, When will it clear?"

    "But our Hope endures the worst of conditions"
    "It's more than our optimism, Let the earth quake"
    "Our Hope is unchanged"
    "Our Hope Endures" Natalie Grant

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    Re: Man Receives Under-Skin Chip Implant Live At Mobile Show

    Quote Originally Posted by Old man View Post
    Obviously ............
    Groomed for what exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    Groomed for what exactly?
    It's obvious isn't it?

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    Re: Man Receives Under-Skin Chip Implant Live At Mobile Show

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    Groomed for what exactly?
    To be accepting of what some believe will be the "Mark of the Beast". An implanted chip in the right hand or forehead.
    "He's wild, you know. Not like a tame lion."
    C.S. Lewis, "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe."

    "Oh, but sometimes the sun stays hidden for years"
    "Sometimes the sky rains night after night, When will it clear?"

    "But our Hope endures the worst of conditions"
    "It's more than our optimism, Let the earth quake"
    "Our Hope is unchanged"
    "Our Hope Endures" Natalie Grant

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    Re: Man Receives Under-Skin Chip Implant Live At Mobile Show

    Quote Originally Posted by Old man View Post
    To be accepting of what some believe will be the "Mark of the Beast". An implanted chip in the right hand or forehead.
    These are the same screwballs who claimed ATM cards were the mark of the beast back in the early 1980’s.

    There is absolutely no Scripture that supports this conspiricy theory

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old man View Post
    To be accepting of what some believe will be the "Mark of the Beast". An implanted chip in the right hand or forehead.
    Well, gee he had it in his left hand, not his right hand or his forehead.

    Strike out.

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    Re: Man Receives Under-Skin Chip Implant Live At Mobile Show

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    These are the same screwballs who claimed ATM cards were the mark of the beast back in the early 1980’s.

    There is absolutely no Scripture that supports this conspiricy theory
    And credit cards too. Try buying and selling in the US without a SSN. That was one reason that the SSN was never supposed to be used as an ID. Of course, now it is the ID for just about everything.
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    13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
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    Re: Man Receives Under-Skin Chip Implant Live At Mobile Show

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    These are the same screwballs who claimed ATM cards were the mark of the beast back in the early 1980’s.

    There is absolutely no Scripture that supports this conspiricy theory
    They are not necessarily screwballs, ( lots of good folk have fallen for bad theology!) and this is not a conspiracy theory, this is DISPENSATIONALISM! There is no literal “mark of the beast”.
    “A” cannot be “A” & not “A” at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    These are the same screwballs who claimed ATM cards were the mark of the beast back in the early 1980’s.
    Yes ... I remember that and the 88 reasons the AC would have appeared in 1988. But the fallacy comes when you don’t match things with scripture. In the case of credit cards … they are not attached to the body in some fashion (right hand or forehead) Nor was the command of not buying or selling without them given.

    I won’t see the chips being the fulfillment of scriptures until it becomes a mandatory thing. Those with preexisting implanted chips would probably have to have some new programming downloaded to them before they become the legitimate thing.

    And receiving this chip (or mark if that is what it will be) must be implanted with the full knowledge and permission of the one receiving the thing. Understanding fully the ramifications of what the chip means economically for a person.

    One problem I have is chips are not necessarily permanent. They can be removed. So, if scripture says that once you’ve received the mark that’s the end of your chances to be reconciled to God does that mean the mark has to be permanent? Or will God allow one who has removed the mark a chance for salvation?

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    There is absolutely no Scripture that supports this conspiricy theory
    The mark on the right hand or fore head is not a conspiracy theory. This is scripture.

    Rev 13:16-17 “And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, (17) and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.”

    The real question is what form that mark will take. The scripture is not clear on this point. It’s easy to see how a micro chip implanted could fill the requirements of this mark. And the fact the technology already exists to make it happen also gives credence to this “theory”. Seeing or hearing reports of people getting chips implanted also works into this idea.

    Whether it will happen that way or not, only time will tell.

    When the order comes that we cannot buy or sell without the mark (whatever form it takes) we will know for sure the legitimacy of every theory put out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by bluesky22 View Post
    … There is no literal “mark of the beast”.
    That is just your theory.

    Scripture doesn’t say that. There are enough indications in scripture for one to reasonably conclude it will be some form of physical mark.
    "He's wild, you know. Not like a tame lion."
    C.S. Lewis, "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe."

    "Oh, but sometimes the sun stays hidden for years"
    "Sometimes the sky rains night after night, When will it clear?"

    "But our Hope endures the worst of conditions"
    "It's more than our optimism, Let the earth quake"
    "Our Hope is unchanged"
    "Our Hope Endures" Natalie Grant

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    Re: Man Receives Under-Skin Chip Implant Live At Mobile Show

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    And credit cards too. Try buying and selling in the US without a SSN. That was one reason that the SSN was never supposed to be used as an ID. Of course, now it is the ID for just about everything.
    Yeah, there is a list of everything from old TV Rabbit Ears to electric guitar pickups.

    John’s audience knew better.

    One error in applying Revelation 13:17–18 to today’s world is to ignore its broader message for the sake of a particular prophetic reading that requires one to read many apocalyptic-prophetic texts literally.

    Another danger is to fixate on this text apart from its context in the rest of Revelation. Thus, some who rightly warn of end-time deception unfortunately issue a blanket condemnation of all signs and wonders.

    But this is an inconsistent application of the text. If we take seriously the false signs of the devil’s agents (13:13), we should also take seriously the true signs of Christ’s agents (11:5–6). Signs by themselves can be positive or negative; what enables us to discern true prophets from false ones is not to discard prophets altogether, but to evaluate them by their moral character. The point is that we know them by their message and their fruit, not by their gifts (Deut. 13:1–5; Matt. 7:15–23).

    Additionally, some have associated restraint from buying and selling with a sophisticated banking system.

    Revelation 13:17 says “they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.”

    You could do little in commerce in the ancient world (13:17) without handling such a “mark,” because allusions to the emperor’s divinity appeared on many coins and even shipping bills and other documents.

    In fact, a mid-third-century emperor demanded certificates of sacrifice to the emperor to participate in commerce and escape prosecution; he likely sought to eradicate Christians.

    Many Christians compromised by bribing officials or by using other practices; some preferred death and were accordingly executed.

    Even in John’s day, however, one could not handle money without involvement in the imperial system.

    To withdraw from an economic system permeated with imperial worship—even to withdraw from trade guilds, whose meetings included meat offered to idols—was in many cities economic suicide. Well-to-do Jewish communities in cities like Sardis had much to lose by boycotting the system, and Christian merchants as a smaller minority would lose even more. Under other circumstances, a blockade preventing some from buying and selling could lead to their starvation (1 Macc. 13:49).

    Many prophecy teachers have speculated on how the Antichrist will install a literal mark, noting that computer technology exists that can do so.

    In translating the principles of the text as lessons for our own situations, we need to remember how concretely the text would have spoken in John’s day. The demand that inhabitants of the empire worship the emperor’s image (and other statues of deities) was a dramatic insult to the honor due God alone.

    Today the world often offers more subtle opportunities for allegiance to God’s competitors or ways to deny God’s supremacy in our lives.

    The early Christians were not called to tear down physical idols and insult their neighbors’ beliefs (which would have proved an ineffective witness in any case), but they could not share in their idolatry.

    If Christ is Lord of our lives, we must graciously part company with much of what our contemporaries value, not only morally but recreationally and in other respects—misfits in our culture though we may appear.

    Does someone have the mark of the beast today?

    Prophecy teachers have forced many names to come to 666. Some sixteenth-century interpreters came up with either the Pope or Martin Luther, depending on which side of the Reformation debate they stood on. Among the more creative suggestions of the late twentieth century was the view that Ronald Reagan’s name implied this number (having six letters in his first, middle, and last names)!

    Christians who have suffered intense persecution and martyrdom have often supposed that they were suffering the final Tribulation before Christ’s return. And why not? They may have been wrong that Christ would return in their generation, but each generation had a right to expect him.

    From the standpoint of their own experience of martyrdom, many Christians have been engaged in their own final struggle with the forces of Antichrist (see Luke 12:4; 1 John 2:18). When Stalin, for instance, murdered ten to thirty million people in seventeen years, we would have undoubtedly thought him the final Antichrist had we lived in the Ukraine—and we could have been right, God willing.

    In a future holocaust we will probably think its perpetrator the final Antichrist—and we may be right.

    But if history surprises us once more, we will be reminded of how the mystery of lawlessness continues its hideous incarnations until the end. This affirms what Paul writes in 2 Thessalonians 2:7: “For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.”

    Additionally, Satan does not know when Jesus will return (Mark 13:30) and must always have an antichrist in waiting. Because neither we nor Satan know the time of the end, all such antichrists are experienced as antichrists, but what will finally indicate that we have witnessed the final Antichrist will be Jesus’ return to wipe him out.

    - Zondervan

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    Re: Man Receives Under-Skin Chip Implant Live At Mobile Show

    Quote Originally Posted by bluesky22 View Post
    They are not necessarily screwballs, ( lots of good folk have fallen for bad theology!) and this is not a conspiracy theory, this is DISPENSATIONALISM! There is no literal “mark of the beast”.
    I meant the authors of this junk, not the people who get hooked into it.

    Dispensationism is right. Thanks for the clarity

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