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    Would not the city rebuilt in Dan 9:25 be the same city destroyed the 70th week

    Dan 9
    25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

    Dan 9
    26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

    Thus the commandment to restore Jerusalem wherein the street and wall are built is of the same city in the next verse which will be destroyed. Does it makes sense to introduce two different cities in consecutive verses? No rather Jerusalem is the city destroyed in verse 26. What city is mentioned destroyed? Babylon. Jerusalem is Babylon.

    In addition, would not the "street" built in verse 25 the same street mentioned in Rev 11 and the city standing in the 70th week. And we see the reference to Jerusalem.

    Rev 11
    8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

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    Re: Would not the city rebuilt in Dan 9:25 be the same city destroyed the 70th week

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Dan 9
    25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

    Dan 9
    26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

    Thus the commandment to restore Jerusalem wherein the street and wall are built is of the same city in the next verse which will be destroyed. Does it makes sense to introduce two different cities in consecutive verses? No rather Jerusalem is the city destroyed in verse 26. What city is mentioned destroyed? Babylon. Jerusalem is Babylon.

    In addition, would not the "street" built in verse 25 the same street mentioned in Rev 11 and the city standing in the 70th week. And we see the reference to Jerusalem.

    Rev 11
    8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
    Am I understanding you to say that the end of the 70th week should be the rebuilt Jerusalem?

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    Re: Would not the city rebuilt in Dan 9:25 be the same city destroyed the 70th week

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Dan 9
    25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

    This command went forth sometime after the 70 exile, to rebuild what Neb had destroyed.

    Dan 9
    26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
    This has to refer to 70AD when it was destroyed again.

    Jesus tells you why.....,


    Lk 19
    1 When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes. 43 For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, 44 and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation.”
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Re: Would not the city rebuilt in Dan 9:25 be the same city destroyed the 70th week

    Quote Originally Posted by Pesachpup View Post
    Am I understanding you to say that the end of the 70th week should be the rebuilt Jerusalem?

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    At the end of 69 weeks...…..

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    Re: Would not the city rebuilt in Dan 9:25 be the same city destroyed the 70th week

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    This command went forth sometime after the 70 exile, to rebuild what Neb had destroyed.



    This has to refer to 70AD when it was destroyed again.

    Jesus tells you why.....,


    Lk 19
    1 When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes. 43 For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, 44 and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation.”
    So what happens when it is rebuilt and destroyed yet again? That is a possibility, right?

    Thus could not the prophecy pertain to that future rebuild and destruction?

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    Re: Would not the city rebuilt in Dan 9:25 be the same city destroyed the 70th week

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Dan 9
    25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

    Dan 9
    26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

    Thus the commandment to restore Jerusalem wherein the street and wall are built is of the same city in the next verse which will be destroyed. Does it makes sense to introduce two different cities in consecutive verses? No rather Jerusalem is the city destroyed in verse 26. What city is mentioned destroyed? Babylon. Jerusalem is Babylon.

    In addition, would not the "street" built in verse 25 the same street mentioned in Rev 11 and the city standing in the 70th week. And we see the reference to Jerusalem.

    Rev 11
    8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
    I believe that you are right and wrong

    Yes both verses talk about the same city and yes Jerusalem is Babylon the day

    Where I see it different from you is that I see these verses talk to Antiochus Epehanies

    I also see the street of the city in rev 11 as Jerusalem in the first century who I also believe to be Babylon the great

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    Re: Would not the city rebuilt in Dan 9:25 be the same city destroyed the 70th week

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    So what happens when it is rebuilt and destroyed yet again?

    Messiah comes after 7 and 62 weeks to secure our eternal rest and redemption in the 70th week. They missed the day of their visitation and it was destroyed again.
    Jesus was right and he is preparing a place for us that will never be overcome and destroyed in the future.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Re: Would not the city rebuilt in Dan 9:25 be the same city destroyed the 70th week

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    This command went forth sometime after the 70 exile, to rebuild what Neb had destroyed.



    This has to refer to 70AD when it was destroyed again.

    Jesus tells you why.....,


    Lk 19
    1 When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes. 43 For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, 44 and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation.”
    This was exactly why Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD

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    Re: Would not the city rebuilt in Dan 9:25 be the same city destroyed the 70th week

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Dan 9
    25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

    Dan 9
    26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

    Thus the commandment to restore Jerusalem wherein the street and wall are built is of the same city in the next verse which will be destroyed. Does it makes sense to introduce two different cities in consecutive verses? No rather Jerusalem is the city destroyed in verse 26. What city is mentioned destroyed? Babylon. Jerusalem is Babylon.

    In addition, would not the "street" built in verse 25 the same street mentioned in Rev 11 and the city standing in the 70th week. And we see the reference to Jerusalem.

    Rev 11
    8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
    I don't know why you introduce the city of *Babylon* into the discussion? Yes, this city is Jerusalem, which was to be rebuilt as well as destroyed later on. There is no reference to *Babylon* in Dan 9, with respect to this city.

    The original mandate to restore Jerusalem and the temple was initially given by King Cyrus in perhaps 537 BC. But the order to execute the "city reconstruction" part of this mandate came by King Artaxerxes in 457 BC.

    In 70 AD the same city and temple were destroyed by the Romans. This had nothing to do with the city of Babylon.

    The reference to "Mystery Babylon," or "Harlot Babylon," comes primarily in Rev 17. I believe it referred to Rome--not Jerusalem. But this is a debatable topic.

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    Re: Would not the city rebuilt in Dan 9:25 be the same city destroyed the 70th week

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    I don't know why you introduce the city of *Babylon* into the discussion? Yes, this city is Jerusalem, which was to be rebuilt as well as destroyed later on. There is no reference to *Babylon* in Dan 9, with respect to this city.

    The original mandate to restore Jerusalem and the temple was initially given by King Cyrus in perhaps 537 BC. But the order to execute the "city reconstruction" part of this mandate came by King Artaxerxes in 457 BC.

    In 70 AD the same city and temple were destroyed by the Romans. This had nothing to do with the city of Babylon.

    The reference to "Mystery Babylon," or "Harlot Babylon," comes primarily in Rev 17. I believe it referred to Rome--not Jerusalem. But this is a debatable topic.
    I will of course I disagree with the commandment from Cyrus is in view in Daniel. Suppose this.....

    What if the city Jerusalem is yet rebuilt and yet destroyed again the future.? Is this not a possibility? Where would this account then be in scriptures? Daniel?

    We do know Jerusalem is destroyed in the future so why can't this be the city destroyed in a "future" 70th week at not 70AD. Thereby Jerusalem referenced end time Babylon.


    Again if there is a future rebuild and then again destruction of Jerusalem. The theory of both the rebuilding and destruction of Jerusalem occurring in the past being pertaining to Daniel may not represent the past event but this future event. (note many see the 69 weeks past whereby the rebuild occurs but does see the future destruction of Jerusalem in the 70th week)

    So does scripture indicate yet a future rebuild and destruction of Jerusalem?


    Is this not Jerusalem. What happens to this city?

    2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
    7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
    8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

    What other city upon earth are the gentiles inhabiting. None. Thus Babylon in the end times Rev 17 is a reference to Jerusalem, thus also being candidate for the city mentioned in Dan 9:26

    26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city (Babylon/Jerusalem Rev 17) and the sanctuary (temple wherein he claims God Matt 24);

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    Re: Would not the city rebuilt in Dan 9:25 be the same city destroyed the 70th week

    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    This was exactly why Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD
    Could it not pertain to the destruction of the city?

    Rev 11
    2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
    7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
    8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

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    Re: Would not the city rebuilt in Dan 9:25 be the same city destroyed the 70th week

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Could it not pertain to the destruction of the city?

    Rev 11
    2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
    7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
    8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
    Sorry I don't understand what you mean?

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    Re: Would not the city rebuilt in Dan 9:25 be the same city destroyed the 70th week

    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    Sorry I don't understand what you mean?
    Well you are figuring out the timing of Daniel based on past events. What if these events occur and or reoccur in the future?.

    As from the verse mentioned Jerusalem in Rev 11 will be destroyed so why can't this destruction be the one mentioned in the 70th week.??

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    Re: Would not the city rebuilt in Dan 9:25 be the same city destroyed the 70th week

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Well you are figuring out the timing of Daniel based on past events. What if these events occur and or reoccur in the future?.

    As from the verse mentioned Jerusalem in Rev 11 will be destroyed so why can't this destruction be the one mentioned in the 70th week.??
    I do think that Rev 11 is about Jerusalem in 70AD

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