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    What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?

    We see this verse in Daniel 9:27 (KJV)

    "27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

    Christ refers to it in Matthew 24:15(KJV)

    "15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand"

    The Jewish Rabbis have pushed the view that it was when in 167 B.C. a Greek ruler by the name of Antiochus Epiphanies set up an altar to Zeus over the altar of burnt offerings in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. He also sacrificed a pig on the altar in the Temple in Jerusalem.

    But it doesn't fit, as Jesus declared it looking forward in time, not backwards, and the Jewish nation continued along with the sacrifices as we see at the beginning of Matthew 24 as Jesus was telling the disciples what was going to happen:

    Matthew 24 King James Version (KJV)1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
    2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
    3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

    So lets start with what was this desolation that would befall them?



    desolation


    • a state of complete emptiness or destruction.
      "the stony desolation of the desert"
      synonyms: barrenness, bleakness, starkness, bareness, dismalness, grimness; Morearidity, sterility;
      wildness;
      isolation, solitude, solitariness, loneliness, remoteness
      "the arid, stony desolation of the Gobi desert"



      antonyms: fertility



      • anguished misery or loneliness.
        "in choked desolation, she watched him leave"
        synonyms: misery, sadness, unhappiness, melancholy, gloom, gloominess, glumness, despondency, sorrow, depression, grief, mournfulness, woe; More







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    Re: What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?

    Now Jesus was talking about something that had happen before, and now was repeating again. We find what Daniel was talking about in the destruction of the first temple that caused desolation in the time of Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, who took Daniel and his three friends prisoners back to Babylon.

    Jeremiah 25 King James Version (KJV)

    1 The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, that was the first year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon;
    2 The which Jeremiah the prophet spake unto all the people of Judah, and to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying,
    3 From the thirteenth year of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, even unto this day, that is the three and twentieth year, the word of the Lord hath come unto me, and I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking; but ye have not hearkened.
    4 And the Lord hath sent unto you all his servants the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear.
    5 They said, Turn ye again now every one from his evil way, and from the evil of your doings, and dwell in the land that the Lord hath given unto you and to your fathers for ever and ever:
    6 And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.
    7 Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the Lord; that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of your hands to your own hurt.
    8 Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts; Because ye have not heard my words,
    9 Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the Lord, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.
    10 Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle.
    11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

    So we get a clue as to what caused the desolation and the severity of it on the whole land. The Temple was destroyed and the people killed or taken prisoners, and the worship in Jerusalem severely affected. So what "abomination" made this "desolation" then and in the time of Jesus that would again cause the rebuilt Temple to again be destroyed, and how long would it be as we see the "seventy years" the first one lasted.

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    Re: What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?

    I've been posting a quite a bit on this lately. I see the AoD as a term applied to both Antiochus 4 and the Roman Army in 66-70 AD. We read about Antiochus in Dan 8 and 11-12. We read about the Roman Army, destroying the city and the sanctuary, in Dan 9. When Jesus gave his Olivet Discourse he was referring not to Antiochus 4, but rather, to the Roman Army. This is very, very clear in Luke 21.

    I've had a number of detractors, who claim that although Luke 21 talks about the Roman Army, they think the synoptic authors said something very different, that the AoD in Matt 24 and Mar 13 refers to the Antichrist. But this would contradict Luke 21, and render the Olivet Discourse a confused array of views! Not only so, but Antichrist is not even mentioned in the Olivet Discourse.

    Clearly, I'm on safe ground to claim that the AoD is the Roman Army. Jesus said it would all take place in his own generation. That couldn't be clearer. However, the fact Jesus was also asked about his 2nd Coming at the same time has tended to confuse things for many of us. I believe Jesus was not emphasizing eschatology as much as showing how future prophecy related to his own day. The way they behaved in their own day would reflect upon their future place in God's Kingdom.

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    Re: What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    I've been posting a quite a bit on this lately. I see the AoD as a term applied to both Antiochus 4 and the Roman Army in 66-70 AD. We read about Antiochus in Dan 8 and 11-12. We read about the Roman Army, destroying the city and the sanctuary, in Dan 9. When Jesus gave his Olivet Discourse he was referring not to Antiochus 4, but rather, to the Roman Army. This is very, very clear in Luke 21.

    I've had a number of detractors, who claim that although Luke 21 talks about the Roman Army, they think the synoptic authors said something very different, that the AoD in Matt 24 and Mar 13 refers to the Antichrist. But this would contradict Luke 21, and render the Olivet Discourse a confused array of views! Not only so, but Antichrist is not even mentioned in the Olivet Discourse.

    Clearly, I'm on safe ground to claim that the AoD is the Roman Army. Jesus said it would all take place in his own generation. That couldn't be clearer. However, the fact Jesus was also asked about his 2nd Coming at the same time has tended to confuse things for many of us. I believe Jesus was not emphasizing eschatology as much as showing how future prophecy related to his own day. The way they behaved in their own day would reflect upon their future place in God's Kingdom.
    Well, look at the time of Daniel and we see the desolation by "Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof". So it seems clear that this was going to be repeated and the destruction of Jerusalem, was to again happen. But their was also the destruction of the Temple, which was devastating and caused a complete cessation of their sacrifices and worship as they had done since the time they left Egypt. So we see the 'desolation' but what caused the 'abomination' of the whole nation of the Jews that caused that destruction. They were doing everything they could in fact I would say obsesses to prevent that the Romans should come and take away both their place and nation.

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    Re: What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?

    Quote Originally Posted by hobie View Post
    We see this verse in Daniel 9:27 (KJV)

    "27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

    Christ refers to it in Matthew 24:15(KJV)

    "15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand"

    The Jewish Rabbis have pushed the view that it was when in 167 B.C. a Greek ruler by the name of Antiochus Epiphanies set up an altar to Zeus over the altar of burnt offerings in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. He also sacrificed a pig on the altar in the Temple in Jerusalem.

    But it doesn't fit, as Jesus declared it looking forward in time, not backwards, and the Jewish nation continued along with the sacrifices as we see at the beginning of Matthew 24 as Jesus was telling the disciples what was going to happen:

    Matthew 24 King James Version (KJV)1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
    2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
    3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

    So lets start with what was this desolation that would befall them?



    desolation


    • a state of complete emptiness or destruction.
      "the stony desolation of the desert"
      synonyms: barrenness, bleakness, starkness, bareness, dismalness, grimness; Morearidity, sterility;
      wildness;
      isolation, solitude, solitariness, loneliness, remoteness
      "the arid, stony desolation of the Gobi desert"



      antonyms: fertility



      • anguished misery or loneliness.
        "in choked desolation, she watched him leave"
        synonyms: misery, sadness, unhappiness, melancholy, gloom, gloominess, glumness, despondency, sorrow, depression, grief, mournfulness, woe; More






    You are correct. The Abomination of Desolation is the catalyst that starts the Great Tribulation. Matthew 24:21 says; "For THEN shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." This tribulation must, according to the grammar, be worse than the flood of Noah's time. Has this happened since Noah's time? I think not.

    As to what it is is not difficult. God made man to "subdue and rule the earth" (Gen.1:26-28). Through his cooperation with the Devil, and through his fall, man has plunged the world into chaos. So BOTH God and man look for a man who will solve the pain of the whole world. From the Pope, to Dalai Lama, to every new American President, people are hoping for a strong charismatic man to solve the problems of this world. Those who embrace Jesus Christ hope for His Coming. They know that He will stop unrighteousness and overcome sickness and death. Those who refuse Jesus Christ nevertheless look for the same thing. Israel especially looks for that all-powerful world leader who will guarantee their peace and freedom from persecution. Satan too looks for his man who will direct all men to worship him. WHO and WHEN will this man appear?

    As the world's crisis reaches it Zenith, and Israel is threatened on all sides, a man appears on the scene. Is this Messiah for Israel and bringer of peace and righteousness to the nations? He is remarkable. He is from the dead. He possesses great power. He is charismatic. The various kings of the earth swear allegiance and give their authority to him. He promises peace and equity. He is the "replacement" Christ. Jesus, who was preached to all nations has delayed His coming. He too preaches a coming time of righteousness and equity and good life for all men. So who will the peoples of the earth choose?

    What is the deciding factor? The deciding factor is, will Jerusalem accept him? Jerusalem has been the thorn of many kings. Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome all found Jerusalem a thorn. It was this city of all cities that produced over a thousand and five hundred years of resistance to world leaders. In the early days of Israel's occupation of Jerusalem, Israel was invincible. It is the one city and one nation that has confounded world powers. Jerusalem is the prize. Whoever gets Jerusalem will impress Islam (1.5 billion adherents), Roman Catholicism (1.3 billion adherents), Israel (the nation everyone must admit cannot be annihilated). Whoever gets Jerusalem gets the world. Even the Popes knew this and mounted the Crusades.

    So the king who sets up his throne in Jerusalem will be world leader. But he must be more than world leader. He must be like DEITY. The Jews look of "Emmanuel" - GOD with us. The Nations look for a savior with supernatural powers. The Occult based religions look for their "WORSHIPFUL Master". The rest of the world WORSHIP ancestors. So this man MUST be from the dead. He must be powerful. He must be charismatic. AND HE MUST NOT ONLY BE A SAVIOR BUT HE MUST SIT IN THE MOST HOLY PLACE OF THE ISRAELI TEMPLE - the position accorded that God who made Israel invincible.

    Daniel 9:26-27 shows us that future king
    • He is a "prince" of the people who destroy Jerusalem - a Roman
    • He is FUTURE to the destruction of Jerusalem - that is, future to 70 AD
    • He is able to "strengthen" (lit. Heb.) "the" Covenant which entails a Temple and a Daily oblation. There is only one such Covenant - that of Sinai
    • He must be accepted fully by Israel to do this
    • He is so fully accepted, not only by the kings of the earth, but by Israel, that he sets his throne up in the most Holy Place of this Temple
    • He is able, for three and one half years, to command universal worship towards himself
    • He, knowing the intrinsic need of fallen men, that of IDOL-WORSHIP, sets up an image of himself in the Holy Place of the Temple in Jerusalem
    • He seems, at first, to be that promised Messiah and is worshiped by nearly all men. Men cry "peace" (1st Thess.5:3) and give honor to this man

    But 1st Thessalonians 5:3 shows the dreadful reality; "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape." Jerusalem is God's possession. Any Temple there is His House. Israel were bought and redeemed and loved and cherished. Jerusalem is the "city of the Great King". God's Son payed for all men in this city. He who usurps Jerusalem and the Temple takes on the Almighty. And he who worships an imposter Christ - an "anti-Christ", must bear the consequences. Jesus, God's Son, has been taught to all nations. But all nations have chosen the imposter-Christ. And so God's patience is over. Men have chosen a Roman. Men have worshiped him. Men have allowed this imposter to set up himself and an idol in the most Holy Place reserved for Jehovah. And so men will find out what it is to DESOLATE the Holy Place with an ABOMINATION. God's FURY is unleashed.

    In the last universal judgement for evil, water covered the whole earth and all men but eight died. But now the situation on earth is so bad that men will try to die but be refused death (Rev.9:6). The trial at Noah's time was the "Great Annihilation". But now it is the "Great Tribulation". The drowned men of Noah's time went quickly and felt nothing afterwards. But now men will stay alive to suffer their agony. At Noahs's time men tampered with the "seed of the woman". Angels mixed with women and the earth was full of violence to kill off the "seed of the woman" to prevent the True Man-Messiah coming. But this time men have touched the holiness of the Almighty. They have usurped His House and His chosen people. They have bowed to worship a fallen man and his effigy in the place reserved for Jehovah. Woe unto all men left on earth at this time.

    To MAKE DESOLATE God's holy place with an ABOMINATION is to provoke God at His core.

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    Re: What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    You are correct. The Abomination of Desolation is the catalyst that starts the Great Tribulation. Matthew 24:21 says; "For THEN shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." This tribulation must, according to the grammar, be worse than the flood of Noah's time. Has this happened since Noah's time? I think not.

    As to what it is is not difficult. God made man to "subdue and rule the earth" (Gen.1:26-28). Through his cooperation with the Devil, and through his fall, man has plunged the world into chaos. So BOTH God and man look for a man who will solve the pain of the whole world. From the Pope, to Dalai Lama, to every new American President, people are hoping for a strong charismatic man to solve the problems of this world. Those who embrace Jesus Christ hope for His Coming. They know that He will stop unrighteousness and overcome sickness and death. Those who refuse Jesus Christ nevertheless look for the same thing. Israel especially looks for that all-powerful world leader who will guarantee their peace and freedom from persecution. Satan too looks for his man who will direct all men to worship him. WHO and WHEN will this man appear?

    As the world's crisis reaches it Zenith, and Israel is threatened on all sides, a man appears on the scene. Is this Messiah for Israel and bringer of peace and righteousness to the nations? He is remarkable. He is from the dead. He possesses great power. He is charismatic. The various kings of the earth swear allegiance and give their authority to him. He promises peace and equity. He is the "replacement" Christ. Jesus, who was preached to all nations has delayed His coming. He too preaches a coming time of righteousness and equity and good life for all men. So who will the peoples of the earth choose?

    What is the deciding factor? The deciding factor is, will Jerusalem accept him? Jerusalem has been the thorn of many kings. Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome all found Jerusalem a thorn. It was this city of all cities that produced over a thousand and five hundred years of resistance to world leaders. In the early days of Israel's occupation of Jerusalem, Israel was invincible. It is the one city and one nation that has confounded world powers. Jerusalem is the prize. Whoever gets Jerusalem will impress Islam (1.5 billion adherents), Roman Catholicism (1.3 billion adherents), Israel (the nation everyone must admit cannot be annihilated). Whoever gets Jerusalem gets the world. Even the Popes knew this and mounted the Crusades.

    So the king who sets up his throne in Jerusalem will be world leader. But he must be more than world leader. He must be like DEITY. The Jews look of "Emmanuel" - GOD with us. The Nations look for a savior with supernatural powers. The Occult based religions look for their "WORSHIPFUL Master". The rest of the world WORSHIP ancestors. So this man MUST be from the dead. He must be powerful. He must be charismatic. AND HE MUST NOT ONLY BE A SAVIOR BUT HE MUST SIT IN THE MOST HOLY PLACE OF THE ISRAELI TEMPLE - the position accorded that God who made Israel invincible.

    Daniel 9:26-27 shows us that future king
    • He is a "prince" of the people who destroy Jerusalem - a Roman
    • He is FUTURE to the destruction of Jerusalem - that is, future to 70 AD
    • He is able to "strengthen" (lit. Heb.) "the" Covenant which entails a Temple and a Daily oblation. There is only one such Covenant - that of Sinai
    • He must be accepted fully by Israel to do this
    • He is so fully accepted, not only by the kings of the earth, but by Israel, that he sets his throne up in the most Holy Place of this Temple
    • He is able, for three and one half years, to command universal worship towards himself
    • He, knowing the intrinsic need of fallen men, that of IDOL-WORSHIP, sets up an image of himself in the Holy Place of the Temple in Jerusalem
    • He seems, at first, to be that promised Messiah and is worshiped by nearly all men. Men cry "peace" (1st Thess.5:3) and give honor to this man

    But 1st Thessalonians 5:3 shows the dreadful reality; "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape." Jerusalem is God's possession. Any Temple there is His House. Israel were bought and redeemed and loved and cherished. Jerusalem is the "city of the Great King". God's Son payed for all men in this city. He who usurps Jerusalem and the Temple takes on the Almighty. And he who worships an imposter Christ - an "anti-Christ", must bear the consequences. Jesus, God's Son, has been taught to all nations. But all nations have chosen the imposter-Christ. And so God's patience is over. Men have chosen a Roman. Men have worshiped him. Men have allowed this imposter to set up himself and an idol in the most Holy Place reserved for Jehovah. And so men will find out what it is to DESOLATE the Holy Place with an ABOMINATION. God's FURY is unleashed.

    In the last universal judgement for evil, water covered the whole earth and all men but eight died. But now the situation on earth is so bad that men will try to die but be refused death (Rev.9:6). The trial at Noah's time was the "Great Annihilation". But now it is the "Great Tribulation". The drowned men of Noah's time went quickly and felt nothing afterwards. But now men will stay alive to suffer their agony. At Noahs's time men tampered with the "seed of the woman". Angels mixed with women and the earth was full of violence to kill off the "seed of the woman" to prevent the True Man-Messiah coming. But this time men have touched the holiness of the Almighty. They have usurped His House and His chosen people. They have bowed to worship a fallen man and his effigy in the place reserved for Jehovah. Woe unto all men left on earth at this time.

    To MAKE DESOLATE God's holy place with an ABOMINATION is to provoke God at His core.
    We are making headway, lets go to Matthew 24: 15-21. When Jesus put the words “when you see the ‘abomination of desolation’” with “flee to the mountains,” it’s an indication of a catastrophic nature as happened in Daniels time with the conquest of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar, and we see it when Jerusalem is taken by the Romans in AD 70. But Jesus was also speaking of the time of the end, when it will again happen, and so the “whoso readeth, let him understand” is also for us. Now the disciples actually asked a question pertaining to the temple they were looking at but also to the end times. “When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?” (24:3).
    Christ first was talking of the literal siege of Jerusalem which began in 68 A.D. to look for signs signaling Christians to flee the city. This came when the armies of Rome temporarily abandoned that siege and returned in 70 A.D, and the temple was burned and Jerusalem destroyed, but the Christians had fled so none of them perished in the second Roman siege. This was the desolation referred to in our key text, and was the "type" or initial fulfillment. The second or "antitype" fulfillment which Christ also speaks to, is the answer to the question asked by the disciples with regard to the second coming. Jesus's prophecy concerning the visitation of judgments upon Jerusalem is to have another fulfillment, of which that desolation of 70 AD was but a shadow. Like the Jews, this foretells the fate of the world that has gone away from and rejected God's mercy and trampled upon His law. So we see it will present itself again at the final period of earth’s history and we need to understand what is the root case of the abomination.

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    Re: What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?

    Quote Originally Posted by hobie View Post
    Well, look at the time of Daniel and we see the desolation by "Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof". So it seems clear that this was going to be repeated and the destruction of Jerusalem, was to again happen. But their was also the destruction of the Temple, which was devastating and caused a complete cessation of their sacrifices and worship as they had done since the time they left Egypt. So we see the 'desolation' but what caused the 'abomination' of the whole nation of the Jews that caused that destruction. They were doing everything they could in fact I would say obsesses to prevent that the Romans should come and take away both their place and nation.
    No doubt the Jews fought back against the Romans. They weren't going to roll over, as long as they believed God was still with them. At the time of the Maccabees, God was apparently with some of them. But at the time of the Romans, in 70 AD, God was clearly no longer with them.

    On both occasions, during Antiochus 4's reign, and during the invasion of the Roman Army, an "abomination of desolation" was inflicted upon the Jews. The "desolation" refers to the destruction of the Jewish People, and to their form of worship. The "abomination" refers to a pagan desecration of Jewish worship, involving a pagan encroachment upon holy territory and the imposition of emperor worship.

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    Re: What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?

    Quote Originally Posted by hobie View Post
    We are making headway, lets go to Matthew 24: 15-21. When Jesus put the words “when you see the ‘abomination of desolation’” with “flee to the mountains,” it’s an indication of a catastrophic nature as happened in Daniels time with the conquest of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar, and we see it when Jerusalem is taken by the Romans in AD 70. But Jesus was also speaking of the time of the end, when it will again happen, and so the “whoso readeth, let him understand” is also for us. Now the disciples actually asked a question pertaining to the temple they were looking at but also to the end times. “When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?” (24:3).
    Christ first was talking of the literal siege of Jerusalem which began in 68 A.D. to look for signs signaling Christians to flee the city. This came when the armies of Rome temporarily abandoned that siege and returned in 70 A.D, and the temple was burned and Jerusalem destroyed, but the Christians had fled so none of them perished in the second Roman siege. This was the desolation referred to in our key text, and was the "type" or initial fulfillment. The second or "antitype" fulfillment which Christ also speaks to, is the answer to the question asked by the disciples with regard to the second coming. Jesus's prophecy concerning the visitation of judgments upon Jerusalem is to have another fulfillment, of which that desolation of 70 AD was but a shadow. Like the Jews, this foretells the fate of the world that has gone away from and rejected God's mercy and trampled upon His law. So we see it will present itself again at the final period of earth’s history and we need to understand what is the root case of the abomination.
    Yes, we, in the main, agree. In some secondary points we might disagree, but they are not important to your thread.

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    Re: What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    No doubt the Jews fought back against the Romans. They weren't going to roll over, as long as they believed God was still with them. At the time of the Maccabees, God was apparently with some of them. But at the time of the Romans, in 70 AD, God was clearly no longer with them.

    On both occasions, during Antiochus 4's reign, and during the invasion of the Roman Army, an "abomination of desolation" was inflicted upon the Jews. The "desolation" refers to the destruction of the Jewish People, and to their form of worship. The "abomination" refers to a pagan desecration of Jewish worship, involving a pagan encroachment upon holy territory and the imposition of emperor worship.
    No, you have to understand it was the Jews that had rejected what God had given them and fell into a abomination that caused the desolation. Antiochus, as already made clear, doesn't fit, as Jesus declared it looking forward in time, not backwards.

    You need to compare Daniels time of the destruction of the first temple. Christ points us to Daniel, and we see in Daniel 11:31: “31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.” Daniel 11:31(KJV)

    This shows this issue is tied to the relationship between God and His people and the accompanying worship to God, their rejection first of this, being contrary to the worship God deserves which caused the ruin of that nation. We see what it was in a warning given them previosly:

    Leviticus 26 King James Version (KJV)

    1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God.
    2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.
    3 If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
    4 Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
    5 And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely.
    6 And I will give peace in the land, and ye shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, neither shall the sword go through your land....

    ...14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
    15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
    16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
    17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.
    18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
    19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:
    20 And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.
    21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.
    22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.
    23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;
    24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.
    25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.
    26 And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied.
    27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
    28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
    29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.
    30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
    31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.
    32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it."

    At the time of Daniel they had what Solomon built for God what’s probably been the most magnificent sanctuary on earth. Yet Solomon also added worship places for his wives’ false gods in the start of what the Bible refers to as an “abomination.”

    "For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites."1 Kings 11:5.

    "Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon." 1 Kings 11:7.

    Putting another god in place of the true God is abominable, it is a detestable act which leads to desolation when Gods protecting power is withdrawn. When Daniel wrote about the “abomination of desolation,” the first sanctuary or Solomons Temple in Jerusalem had been destroyed in the attack of the Babylonians. But Daniel also wrote about the sanctuary being restored which was fulfilled by the rebuilding of the second temple, and they could again come and worship God.

    But because of their sin and with the rejection of the Son of God, Christ the Messiah, they again reached a level of "Abomination" that was detestable to God. It led to the destruction of the Second Temple and thus the “Desolation” is the result of what you get without God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    No doubt the Jews fought back against the Romans. They weren't going to roll over, as long as they believed God was still with them. At the time of the Maccabees, God was apparently with some of them. But at the time of the Romans, in 70 AD, God was clearly no longer with them.

    On both occasions, during Antiochus 4's reign, and during the invasion of the Roman Army, an "abomination of desolation" was inflicted upon the Jews. The "desolation" refers to the destruction of the Jewish People, and to their form of worship. The "abomination" refers to a pagan desecration of Jewish worship, involving a pagan encroachment upon holy territory and the imposition of emperor worship.
    I agree in the main with your last sentence, but there is a point that might cause the events of Antiochus and Titus to have nothing to to do with what Daniel Predicted in Chapter 9.

    When Solomon's Temple was completed the glory of God filled it. But of the Temple built by Zerubbabel we have no such record. In Ezra the old men wept when they saw the new building as it was not nearly up to the standard of Solomon's. But God answers in Haggai 2:1-9 that the glory of this second House would supersede that of the first. Again we have nor record of this. But what this House had that was greater than the first House, was that our Lord Jesus entered it. Solomon's House for God housed the Almighty, Creator and God of pure justice. Was there are greater glory than this? Yes. Our Lord Jesus was the Almighty, Creator and in Him God fulfilled pure justice AND THEN HE COULD EXTEND MERCY AND RECOVERY. Thus, Christ's presence in that Temple, though He probably never went into the Holy of Holies as a Judean and not a Levite, was the GREATER GLORY OF GOD.

    If this is true, then the House that our Lord Jesus called "my Father's House" in John Chapter 2, only became that House when our Lord was presented at age 12 (Lk.2:49). And at age 33½ years, our Lord Jesus, having been rejected and accused of acting under the inspiration of Beelzebub, told the Jews in Matthew 23:38 and Luke 13:35 ...

    "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

    This verse shows a number of things;
    • Whereas in John 2:16 our Lord Jesus called this House "MY Father's House", here He calls it "YOUR House". He no longer associates the Temple with Jehovah
    • This House is "LEFT" desolate. That is, because our Lord Jesus would grace it no more, and LEFT it, it is considered by the Holy Spirit as "desolate"
    • The glory and presence of God in this House is bound to Jesus. By Him being NOT SEEN anymore, He makes it desolate. This also confirms my theory above that Zerubbabel's Temple only enjoyed God's glory when our Lord Jesus had graced it

    Thus, the historical record of Antiochus 4 and the historical record of Titus, DO NOT MAKE ZERUBBABEL'S TEMPLE "DESOLATE" BECAUSE IT WAS DESOLATE UNTIL OUR LORD JESUS ENTERED IT AND MADE "DESOLATE" AGAIN WHEN HE DESERTED IT.

    Why do I point this out? Simply because the prophecy of Daniel in Chapter 9 points to a single event at the close of the the gospel age. Attributing a string of other events to Daniel to try to force it to have been fulfilled is not warranted.

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    Re: What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    I agree in the main with your last sentence, but there is a point that might cause the events of Antiochus and Titus to have nothing to to do with what Daniel Predicted in Chapter 9.

    When Solomon's Temple was completed the glory of God filled it. But of the Temple built by Zerubbabel we have no such record. In Ezra the old men wept when they saw the new building as it was not nearly up to the standard of Solomon's. But God answers in Haggai 2:1-9 that the glory of this second House would supersede that of the first. Again we have nor record of this. But what this House had that was greater than the first House, was that our Lord Jesus entered it. Solomon's House for God housed the Almighty, Creator and God of pure justice. Was there are greater glory than this? Yes. Our Lord Jesus was the Almighty, Creator and in Him God fulfilled pure justice AND THEN HE COULD EXTEND MERCY AND RECOVERY. Thus, Christ's presence in that Temple, though He probably never went into the Holy of Holies as a Judean and not a Levite, was the GREATER GLORY OF GOD.

    If this is true, then the House that our Lord Jesus called "my Father's House" in John Chapter 2, only became that House when our Lord was presented at age 12 (Lk.2:49). And at age 33½ years, our Lord Jesus, having been rejected and accused of acting under the inspiration of Beelzebub, told the Jews in Matthew 23:38 and Luke 13:35 ...

    "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

    This verse shows a number of things;
    • Whereas in John 2:16 our Lord Jesus called this House "MY Father's House", here He calls it "YOUR House". He no longer associates the Temple with Jehovah
    • This House is "LEFT" desolate. That is, because our Lord Jesus would grace it no more, and LEFT it, it is considered by the Holy Spirit as "desolate"
    • The glory and presence of God in this House is bound to Jesus. By Him being NOT SEEN anymore, He makes it desolate. This also confirms my theory above that Zerubbabel's Temple only enjoyed God's glory when our Lord Jesus had graced it

    Thus, the historical record of Antiochus 4 and the historical record of Titus, DO NOT MAKE ZERUBBABEL'S TEMPLE "DESOLATE" BECAUSE IT WAS DESOLATE UNTIL OUR LORD JESUS ENTERED IT AND MADE "DESOLATE" AGAIN WHEN HE DESERTED IT.

    Why do I point this out? Simply because the prophecy of Daniel in Chapter 9 points to a single event at the close of the the gospel age. Attributing a string of other events to Daniel to try to force it to have been fulfilled is not warranted.
    Read what Jesus says:

    "36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
    37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
    38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
    39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." Matthew 23:36-39

    Notice He says "All these things shall come upon this generation....your house is left unto you desolate." It is repeated but with more in Luke 13:

    "32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
    33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
    34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!" Luke 13:32-34.

    Now at the time of Daniel we see that Jerusalem was told of their "abomination" and warned of the consequences. We read before the destruction of Solomon's first temple the Jews had been given a warning by Ezekiel:

    "Thus saith the Lord GOD; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her.6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.7 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye multiplied more than the nations that are round about you, and have not walked in my statutes, neither have kept my judgments, neither have done according to the judgments of the nations that are round about you;8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations.9 And I will do in thee that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all thine abominations.” Ezekiel 5:5-9 (KJV)

    “11 Wherefore, as I live, saith the Lord God; Surely, because thou hast defiled my sanctuary with all thy detestable things, and with all thine abominations, therefore will I also diminish thee; neither shall mine eye spare, neither will I have any pity.” Ezekiel 5:11 (KJV)

    Now further on in Ezekiel in Chapter 6, he prophesize the results of the abomination and in Chapter 8, laid out what it:

    "5 Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.6 He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.7 And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall.8 Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door.9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, the Lord seeth us not; the Lord hath forsaken the earth.13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them." Ezekiel 8:5-18 (KJV)

    It was the "abominations which they commit here" in the worship which even extended to worship in the Temple. The desolation of the 'abomination' of worship is found in straightforward in Daniel 1. "In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah came Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon unto Jerusalem, and beseiged it. And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with part of the vessels of the house of God: which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the vessels into the treasure house of his god" (Daniel 1:1,2).

    Here Daniel reveals the abomination of desolation in his time led to Jerusalem's fall and captivity, and it even says not only the king of the land:

    "5 Jehoiakim was twenty and five years old when he began to reign, and he reigned eleven years in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord his God.
    6 Against him came up Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and bound him in fetters, to carry him to Babylon.
    7 Nebuchadnezzar also carried of the vessels of the house of the Lord to Babylon, and put them in his temple at Babylon.
    8 Now the rest of the acts of Jehoiakim, and his abominations which he did, and that which was found in him, behold, they are written in the book of the kings of Israel and Judah: and Jehoiachin his son reigned in his stead.

    Notice Jehoiakim “did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord his God.": "Now the rest of the acts of Jehoiakim, and his abominations which he did, and that which was found in him, behold, they are written in the book of the kings of Israel and Judah:".

    But it wasn't just a misstep by one person but by the religious leaders and the people:

    "14 Moreover all the chief of the priests, and the people, transgressed very much after all the abominations of the heathen; and polluted the house of the Lord which he had hallowed in Jerusalem. 2 Chronicles 36:14.

    Notice, "moreover all the chief of the priests, and the people, transgressed very much after all the abominations of the heathen".

    God's political and religious leaders, as well as the people, adopted heathen ways as their own and away from God and true worship at the expense of God's revealed truth. Notice the people "transgressed" abominations that were standing in God's consecrated holy place, the "house of the Lord."

    The religious leaders of the day had knowingly led the people to adopt heathen worship practices and incorporated them into their worship of God and it was happening again at the time of Jesus. Notice He called them out on it:

    "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Matthew 15:9

    "Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Mark 7:7.

    Notice Jesus clearly says its about worship and He was talking to the religious leaders and making clear they again had led the people to adopt heathen worship practices and incorporated them into their worship of God. In substituting for God's commandments the traditions of men, the leaders of God's people provoked the desolation at the time of Daniels and did it in Jesus time.

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    Re: What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?

    I believe the abomination that causes desolation is the crucifixion of Jesus, the rejection of the very Word of God by men. Men who were standing in the holy place.

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    Re: What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?

    Quote Originally Posted by journeyman View Post
    I believe the abomination that causes desolation is the crucifixion of Jesus, the rejection of the very Word of God by men. Men who were standing in the holy place.
    Yes, the rejection of the word given them by the prophets and the law in the time of Daniel, and then when Jesus came, the rejection the very Word of God along with His death on the cross.

    Not only did they reject the what God gave them but they fought the soldiers in the Temple, which they were forbidden to enter except for the High Priest, much less fight in the Temple. Look at 2 Chronicles 36:17 in the fight against the soldiers of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon...

    "17 Therefore he brought upon them the king of the Chaldees, who slew their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion upon young man or maiden, old man, or him that stooped for age: he gave them all into his hand." 2 Chronicles 36:17

    At the time of Daniel the people rejected God's calls to repentance and reformation and were left to reap the consequences. The result was felt not only by the people but in the complete destruction of the city and sanctuary. The result of God's people practicing the religious abominations of the heathen was the desolation of their land, city and sanctuary for 70 years.

    Now compare to what happened with the Romans when the Jews again entered into the Temple and fought the Roman Legion coming at them..."The Zealots and the Sicarii retreated to the Temple. The Roman legion, after several attempts at breaching the walls, set fire to the Holy Temple. The site that once gave thousands of Jewish people hope was destroyed. God, it seemed, was no longer in the city. This was the most devastating Roman blow to Judaea. The rest of the city was plundered and burned to the ground soon after the Temple fell. "https://www.ancient.eu/article/823/the-great-jewish-revolt-of-66-ce/

    "The boundless riches from the Temple treasury were used to strike coins with the legend JUDAEA CAPTA ("Judaea defeated"). "https://www.livius.org/articles/concept/roman-jewish-wars/roman-jewish-wars-4/

    " The Jews' Great Revolt against Rome in 66 C.E. led to one of the greatest catastrophes in Jewish life and, in retrospect, might well have been a terrible mistake. Outside Jerusalem, Roman troops prepared to besiege the city; inside the city, the Jews were engaged in a suicidal civil war. In later generations, the rabbis hyperbolically declared that the revolt's failure, and the Temple's destruction, was due not to Roman military superiority but to causeless hatred (sinat khinam) among the Jews (Yoma 9b).

    It is estimated that as many as one million Jews died in the Great Revolt against Rome. When people today speak of the almost two-thousand-year span of Jewish homelessness and exile, they are dating it from the failure of the revolt and the destruction of the Temple. Indeed, the Great Revolt of 66-70, followed some sixty years later by the Bar Kokhba revolt, were the greatest calamities in Jewish history prior to the Holocaust. In addition to the more than one million Jews killed, these failed rebellions led to the total loss of Jewish political authority in Israel until 1948. "
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...evolt-66-70-ce

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    Re: What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?

    So when Daniel wrote about the “abomination of desolation,” the sanctuary in Jerusalem had just been destroyed with the entire city and even the wall of the city were demolished, the place was left desolate. So he understood what the desolation connected to the abomination entailed. After their release from Babylonian captivity and rebuilding the city and temple, the Jewish leaders erected a mountain of rules and regulations. The Jews reasoned that since it was transgression of the law that led to their captivity, especially in their worship such as the Sabbath they needed to define in minute detail how the Sabbath should be kept. This was resulted in the clash with Jesus over the disciples eating some grain..
    "1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
    2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
    3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;" Matthew 12:1-3.

    Over 500 rules concerning the Sabbath were set up not from God or His word, some of these were as ridiculous as one could not leave an egg in the sun on the Sabbath because the sun might cook it, and the number of steps you could take on it. To say the least, this only resulted in a system of absolute legalism and also the people began to believe that favor with God depended on how well they obeyed the traditions of their elders.

    Now when Jesus issued His warning to the disciples about again happening “the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet,” the Jewish leaders, were through the traditions of man setting aside the commands, again making abomination of Gods true worship.

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    Re: What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?

    Quote Originally Posted by hobie View Post
    Yes, the rejection of the word given them by the prophets and the law in the time of Daniel, and then when Jesus came, the rejection the very Word of God along with His death on the cross.

    Not only did they reject the what God gave them but they fought the soldiers in the Temple, which they were forbidden to enter except for the High Priest, much less fight in the Temple. Look at 2 Chronicles 36:17 in the fight against the soldiers of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon...

    "17 Therefore he brought upon them the king of the Chaldees, who slew their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion upon young man or maiden, old man, or him that stooped for age: he gave them all into his hand." 2 Chronicles 36:17

    At the time of Daniel the people rejected God's calls to repentance and reformation and were left to reap the consequences. The result was felt not only by the people but in the complete destruction of the city and sanctuary. The result of God's people practicing the religious abominations of the heathen was the desolation of their land, city and sanctuary for 70 years.

    Now compare to what happened with the Romans when the Jews again entered into the Temple and fought the Roman Legion coming at them..."The Zealots and the Sicarii retreated to the Temple. The Roman legion, after several attempts at breaching the walls, set fire to the Holy Temple. The site that once gave thousands of Jewish people hope was destroyed. God, it seemed, was no longer in the city. This was the most devastating Roman blow to Judaea. The rest of the city was plundered and burned to the ground soon after the Temple fell. "https://www.ancient.eu/article/823/the-great-jewish-revolt-of-66-ce/

    "The boundless riches from the Temple treasury were used to strike coins with the legend JUDAEA CAPTA ("Judaea defeated"). "https://www.livius.org/articles/concept/roman-jewish-wars/roman-jewish-wars-4/

    " The Jews' Great Revolt against Rome in 66 C.E. led to one of the greatest catastrophes in Jewish life and, in retrospect, might well have been a terrible mistake. Outside Jerusalem, Roman troops prepared to besiege the city; inside the city, the Jews were engaged in a suicidal civil war. In later generations, the rabbis hyperbolically declared that the revolt's failure, and the Temple's destruction, was due not to Roman military superiority but to causeless hatred (sinat khinam) among the Jews (Yoma 9b).

    It is estimated that as many as one million Jews died in the Great Revolt against Rome. When people today speak of the almost two-thousand-year span of Jewish homelessness and exile, they are dating it from the failure of the revolt and the destruction of the Temple. Indeed, the Great Revolt of 66-70, followed some sixty years later by the Bar Kokhba revolt, were the greatest calamities in Jewish history prior to the Holocaust. In addition to the more than one million Jews killed, these failed rebellions led to the total loss of Jewish political authority in Israel until 1948. "
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...evolt-66-70-ce
    A visible invading army was of llittle concern to Jesus (see that ye be not troubled Mt.24:6, And fear not them which kill the body Mt.10:28.) His warning to us is centered on spiritual deception (For many shall come in my name (Mk.13:6.)

    In the midst of all the supposed calamity going on, Jesus says something very curious,

    "Remember Lot's wife." Lk.16:32.

    Who in their right mind would wish to return to a city on the verge of destruction, unless the destruction wasn't apparent?

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